Hardener's Up? Speed reduced by 50%.

Good to see you back, buddy! Just in time for the next nerf.

lol I'm not back. Read my tagline. I'm done with it. My "suggestions" never mattered anyway, because those that don't know what they're talking about and don't play the game, knew with absolute certainty that they knew what was best for vehicles, and that a pilots' opinion didn't at all matter.

lol I'm not back. Read my tagline. I'm done with it. My "suggestions" never mattered anyway, because those that don't know what they're talking about and don't play the game, knew with absolute certainty that they knew what was best for vehicles, and that a pilots' opinion didn't at all matter.

Tanks aren't too difficult to destroy with AV, large blasters are too good at killing infantry. The dispersion needs a large increase.

Now, you should be able to murder infantry in a tank, but only with a second crew member. Therefore, with large blaster anti infantry nerfed, the small blaster should get a large buff to both dispersion (reduce it) and damage.

Gunning as a passenger in a tank should net you way more kills than running around with a rifle. Currently this is far from the case.

Idea! Hardener's up? Speed reduced by 50%.

Maybe not. But something. Something to make hardened blaster HAVs less EZ Mode against infantry.

You call that less broken?

How about when a heavy is being repaired, he has his movement speed reduced by 50%?

Another "suggestion" by someone that doesn't use vehicles.

Step one to any HAV fix at this point is to address the double rep'ed doubled hardened maddy fit.
The effects on player behavior both infantry and pilot, are too substantial to be overlooked (they impact things on a meta scale not purely a mechanical or single instance one).

Further alterations may be required but I'd be deeply hesitant to make any of them until that one is addressed and we see the results. Don't want to go back to the wild balance swings Dust used to cope with on a patch by patch basis.

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EDIT: PS ~ I am of the stated view that changes to the fit described are best begun by making armor rep mods active rather than leaving them passive.

Step one to any HAV fix at this point is to address the double rep'ed doubled hardened maddy fit.
The effects on player behavior both infantry and pilot, are too substantial to be overlooked (they impact things on a meta scale not purely a mechanical or single instance one).

Further alterations may be required but I'd be deeply hesitant to make any of them until that one is addressed and we see the results. Don't want to go back to the wild balance swings Dust used to cope with on a patch by patch basis.

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EDIT: PS ~ I am of the stated view that changes to the fit described are best begun by making armor rep mods active rather than leaving them passive.

Cross that doesn't really change anything. Also right now it's the double hardener, plate, rep fit that's king of meta.

It allows you to shoot up to 10000~ armor ehp and when repping, you rep for ~500 ehp / second. Making the repairer an active module does nothing to stop the tank from being nigh invincible, or from repping through far too much damage before it just retreats.

Honestly I really think tanks need (yet another *sigh*) redesign. They're currently treated like temporary powerups in terms of ISK cost, yet their sp costs prevent people from having a 'good' tank without 15-20m sp investment, which makes both their costs and their survivability massive problems.

If isk costs stay so high, everyone needs to have access to them and they should be survivable because risk vs reward (I fundamentally disagree with this one).
If sp costs stay so high, isk costs and survivability should come down.

Unfortunately if we redesign tanks we also need to redesign av a bit (because swarm launchers are INSANELY easy to use, plasma cannons are insanely hard to use, and the difference between basic and proto av can be as much as ~40-50% damage)

Fundamentally disagree with you on this one Malleus. Considering where tank balance was arguably the best and most enjoyed by the general community the consensus generally comes down to 'more raw hp focused with modules that apply small yet meaningful damage mitigation, less examples of prolific ehp based tanks.'

I think it would be more interesting to have vehicle HP to be something you manage actively rather than as something to are simply trying to prevent the loss of.

EDIT: PS ~ I am of the stated view that changes to the fit described are best begun by making armor rep mods active rather than leaving them passive.

Maybe we could have Small one passive and Large one Active.

I think that was discussed as being the ideal way , so Dropships don't get screwed over.

Hmmm not as I see it though I take admittedly a more hard line stance on what an ideal functionality would be. Though I've seen a beautiful proposal that introduced passive reactive vehicle plates.

Ideally alongside with these changes to armour repairers you would also see reductions in resistance provided by all hardener units (including shield ones), and a new tier of armour plates with adjustments to the PG and CPU fitting requirements so that 120mm plates become more accessible to dropship pilots.

If your PS3 is in a box, how can you possibly comment accurately on the state of anything?

Your suggestions never mattered because they lacked critical thought and you were unwilling to compromise so that both sides could have fun.

I'm not surprised that you ate the forum ban you did, you're a raving psychopath.

Some people are actually concerned with getting vehicles and av into healthy places for both, and this current build is healthy for neither.

Tanks aren't too difficult to destroy with AV, large blasters are too good at killing infantry. The dispersion needs a large increase.

Now, you should be able to murder infantry in a tank, but only with a second crew member. Therefore, with large blaster anti infantry nerfed, the small blaster should get a large buff to both dispersion (reduce it) and damage.

Gunning as a passenger in a tank should net you way more kills than running around with a rifle. Currently this is far from the case.

Step one to any HAV fix at this point is to address the double rep'ed doubled hardened maddy fit.
The effects on player behavior both infantry and pilot, are too substantial to be overlooked (they impact things on a meta scale not purely a mechanical or single instance one).

Further alterations may be required but I'd be deeply hesitant to make any of them until that one is addressed and we see the results. Don't want to go back to the wild balance swings Dust used to cope with on a patch by patch basis.

0.02 ISK

EDIT: PS ~ I am of the stated view that changes to the fit described are best begun by making armor rep mods active rather than leaving them passive.

True enough, I think we started to see a decline in the overall enjoyability of both tanking and AVing when they shifted away from more raw HP and more into stronger passive reps and higher movement speed. The thing is that the effective resistance of hardeners is not that different from what we used to have (though I've said this before) if you account for the passive resistance skills which were 10% if recall. The huge difference of course is that they didn't last as long and they cooled down faster so you ended up managing them on the fly for short bursts

I think that was discussed as being the ideal way , so Dropships don't get screwed over.

There was a decline in enjoyability when we realized our PG skill was nerfed into the ground. That was the beginning of the end for vehicles.

Pretty much, it's pretty difficult to make an argument against the passive Small Repairers...they simply don't do enough, even when stacked, to be problematic.

Perhaps instead of Light and Heavy repairs we simply have "Armor Repairer" (Heavy & Active) and "Stable Armor Repairer" (Light & Passive).