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Posted - 2015.07.31 13:52:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Then back before it's too late!
In all seriousness, most people would be used to playing assault. It's the most basic of roles simply because it's only to kill stuff wherever, making pushes on enemy lines. The difference between Assaults and other mediums such as the frames and logistics of a small trade off in mobility for increased armor and shields. You also get down to one equipment slot.
Assaults also get a fitting bonus to weapons to fit better modules, and even help their racial rifles and some sidearms.
Scouts are good for solo play only when you get Dampeners. A scanned scout is a dead scout. Go assault. It costs less SP to get into.
Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.)
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 14:45:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Joel II X wrote:Then back before it's too late!
In all seriousness, most people would be used to playing assault. It's the most basic of roles simply because it's only to kill stuff wherever, making pushes on enemy lines. The difference between Assaults and other mediums such as the frames and logistics of a small trade off in mobility for increased armor and shields. You also get down to one equipment slot.
Assaults also get a fitting bonus to weapons to fit better modules, and even help their racial rifles and some sidearms.
Scouts are good for solo play only when you get Dampeners. A scanned scout is a dead scout. Go assault. It costs less SP to get into. Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.) That's a fun story. If it were a true story, your KDR would be closer to 8 than 1, right? We should be giving our newbros realistic advice. The reality is, there are few things easier in the game to counter than a squishy, undampened Scout. Unless you're up against ill-equipped and/or inattentive buffoons, Joel's advice is good advice ... a scanned Scout is a dead Scout, far more often than not.
Kdr is for people who have no chill. Plus if i had a 8 kdr as a scout theres probaly something wrong with that image.
And it is a true story. All my fits with scouts are amarr scouts(i dont run any other suits,being that the dragon scout is so versatile..). I run shotguns as my primary and a scrambler as a subweapon. I like my style and it nets me my 20+ kills per game. And of course you cant read because i said NF or O.H guys scan me alot. And of course they come in flocks. I know its hard for you to accept that people can do things that you cant but hey. Its the only thing i can do. Stop the stompers and destroy millions in assets. My 260k average payout keeps my little 9k isk slayers dropping people all the time and my corps wallet a little bigger all the time
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 14:52:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Joel II X wrote:Then back before it's too late!
In all seriousness, most people would be used to playing assault. It's the most basic of roles simply because it's only to kill stuff wherever, making pushes on enemy lines. The difference between Assaults and other mediums such as the frames and logistics of a small trade off in mobility for increased armor and shields. You also get down to one equipment slot.
Assaults also get a fitting bonus to weapons to fit better modules, and even help their racial rifles and some sidearms.
Scouts are good for solo play only when you get Dampeners. A scanned scout is a dead scout. Go assault. It costs less SP to get into. Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.) That's a fun story. If it were a true story, your KDR would be closer to 8 than 1, right? We should be giving our newbros realistic advice. The reality is, there are few things easier in the game to counter and kill than squishy, undampened Scouts. Unless you're up against ill-equipped and/or inattentive buffoons, Joel's advice is good advice ... a scanned Scout is a dead Scout, far more often than not.
@ OP Assume this guy were being truthful. Assume in a given match he was head-on shotgunning players from NF or OH at a success rate of 8/10. Long before he'd reach that 8th kill, the NF or OH crew will have fielded a GalLogi. A single GalLogi can rapidfire 21dB, 200m, 90 degree scans. These scan results are shared teamwide. If he's cycling 3 scanners, the scans are permanently up. You can't operate behind enemy lines if you're constantly painted; you will be hunted down. The 21dB scans from this single unit will lock you out of entire sections of map unless you dampen below them.
The fact that they open with a gal logi is were it gets fun. Im not gonna lose speed or reps for the sake of damps. Just outrun the enemy,driveby their postion and get a guy. Repeat till rage heavy. Plus seeing as 9.64m/s at close range breaks AA if you make a sharp turn,one who happens to be a shotgunner can deal insane amounts of damage and get out mostly intact.
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 15:31:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:[
Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.)
That's a fun story. If it were a true story, your KDR would be closer to 8 than 1, right? We should be giving our newbros realistic advice. The reality is, there are few things easier in the game to counter than a squishy, undampened Scout. Unless you're up against ill-equipped and/or inattentive buffoons, Joel's advice is good advice ... a scanned Scout is a dead Scout, far more often than not. Kdr is for people who have no chill. Plus if i had a 8 kdr as a scout theres probaly something wrong with that image. And it is a true story. All my fits with scouts are amarr scouts(i dont run any other suits,being that the dragon scout is so versatile..). I run shotguns as my primary and a scrambler as a subweapon. I like my style and it nets me my 20+ kills per game. And of course you cant read because i said NF or O.H guys scan me alot. And of course they come in flocks. I know its hard for you to accept that people can do things that you cant but hey. Its the only thing i can do. Stop the stompers and destroy millions in assets. My 260k average payout keeps my little 9k isk slayers dropping people all the time and my corps wallet a little bigger all the time @ OP Assume that instead of pounding chest in a newbro advice thread, the guy above was actually being honest about his methods and success rates. Assume that in a given match he was in-fact head-on shotgunning "idiot guys" from NF or OH at a success rate of 8/10. In an APEX Amarr Scout, no less. Long before he'd reach that 8th kill, the "idiot guys" from NF or OH will have fielded a GalLogi. Veterans do that. A single GalLogi can rapidfire 21dB, 200m, 90 degree scans. These scan results are shared teamwide. If the Logi is cycling 3 scanners, the scans are permanently up. A Scout (no matter how good) cannot operate consistently behind enemy lines if he's constantly painted; he will be hunted down and he will be overrun. The scans from this single unit will lock a Scout out of entire sections of map unless he dampens below them. Again, undampened and squishy Scouts are among the easiest things to counter and kill in the entire game. If you do well and tick off a veteran squad, they will almost always field the GalLogi
Undampened squishy scout actively engaging the enemy somehow lives longer than supertanked heavy with logis(and the min ones to) considering i have such low hp its a wonder i make the vets so salty sometimes. Ive heard raging live in comms live as a squad i was supposed to join qued for afw and i got the opposing side. I got to hear the reactions to my insane tactics live. It was funny. 'How does he move so fast',he just comes in,shoots me once then runs to my side before i can turn and kills me' 'hes all over the place' and that one pc were i ran the scout ak.0 for the first time at enemy home point and kept clearing off three assaults(a ck.0 ,a gk.0 .and a mk.0)" deadcats youre like a super scout" ive been running scouts for my almost entire dust career. Im so used to low hp and speed that i cant even run a assault without.trying to dash around.
Seeing as shotguns are my personal weapon of choice,i dont.see.why i shouldnt know how use them.
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 16:26:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ok, I concede. You've mastered the Scoutly Arts.
Pray tell, Scout Master:
Should this newbro not worry about dampening his fits?
Hello no it works for me but im not sure about him. Heck do an assault if you have low reaction time. Speed shotgun lowhp scouts are for the people with high reaction speed and general understanding of game mechanics.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 16:55:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ok, I concede. You've mastered the Scoutly Arts.
Pray tell, Scout Master:
Should this newbro not worry about dampening his fits? Hello no it works for me but im not sure about him. Heck do an assault if you have low reaction time. Speed shotgun lowhp scouts are for the people with high reaction speed and general understanding of game mechanics. I'm confused, Scout Master. Did you by chance read the title of this thread?
With more and more salty vets and other salty folks pulling out scanners and gal logis,and with the cloak being in its state. Dampening a fit will do you next to nothing except make it easier to kill you. All scouts other than the gal need 2 or more complex damps to evade gal logi scans. Meaning you want to invest sp into the gal scout if you want to have some low slots for kincats and some hp tank(or codebreakers) while with assaults you can fit more hp or have a balance of speed,hp AND codebreakers. And with a majority of people using rail rifles,combat rifles and scramblers(not to mention bolt pistols) youd be better off with a heavy or assault suit. Scouts are just trampled on by todays tactics. Wich what i speed tank for(outrun the assaults and get out of weapon range,or get to point first and plan a trap,break AA or serpentine through fire and remove critical enemies(logis,or the officer weapon/suit guy)depends on the playstyle of the newbro. You like being shot. Get an assault. You wanna run around with low hp and get bolt pistoled through your cloak because AA because some big corp decided they wanted to have no skill then be my guest.
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 16:56:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:All I'll say is this. I wish I could win vs 0H and NF mercs in a 9k isk undampened shotgun scout, when scanned.
Its kinda hard at sometimes. If they q sync then its a total beetch. Sometimes it seems like they left the gal logi at home,then the proto assaults just look like another mlt frontline.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 16:58:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Agreed with Ripley, Joel, and Adipem.
If you REALLY want to go scout, as soon as possible, I would suggest skilling into Dampeners first thing, then running your Assault dampened. You can get close enough in terms of dampening to have a scoutly play style, while still retaining the HP of an Assault. You can run Militia SGs and still be pretty deadly.
At that point, you can work on the necessary SP of scouts, like speed, stamina, hacking etc. It really is SP intensive, so just be aware beforehand.
I think its like almost 20 mill for cores,dampening,and a scout suit to level 5 right? I have like 6mill invested in weapons.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 17:19:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Agreed with Ripley, Joel, and Adipem.
If you REALLY want to go scout, as soon as possible, I would suggest skilling into Dampeners first thing, then running your Assault dampened. You can get close enough in terms of dampening to have a scoutly play style, while still retaining the HP of an Assault. You can run Militia SGs and still be pretty deadly.
At that point, you can work on the necessary SP of scouts, like speed, stamina, hacking etc. It really is SP intensive, so just be aware beforehand. I think its like almost 20 mill for cores,dampening,and a scout suit to level 5 right? I have like 6mill invested in weapons. Something like that. And that's without a suit or gun(s). To do well, a Scout needs those Core Skills up more so than other infantry units. A newbro can kick arse while running Assault and leveling up his Core Skills. Can't do the same in a Scout suit.
Ive got around 25 mil. Kincats maxed armour,sheilds,pg,cpu,almost got damps and the scout ak.0 thats maybe 17 mill? Proto assault rifles,combat rifles,shotguns,novas,submachine guns,and nearly at scrambler pistols(with all weapons have at least 3 points in relaods,ammo capacity,sharpshooter*if available and proficency at 3 for most weapons. Some spare suits. Basic minmando and the meduim amarr roles(logi,assault,all at two points) hm. Might need to check again.
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 20:33:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Joel II X wrote:Then back before it's too late!
In all seriousness, most people would be used to playing assault. It's the most basic of roles sim:ply because it's only to kill stuff wherever, making pushes on enemy lines. The difference between Assaults and other mediums such as the frames and logistics of a small trade off in mobility for increased armor and shields. You also get down to one equipment slot.
Assaults also get a fitting bonus to weapons to fit better modules, and even help their racial rifles and some sidearms.
Scouts are good for solo play only when you get Dampeners. A scanned scout is a dead scout. Go assault. It costs less SP to get into. Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.) "getting scanned as a scout doesn't mean you're dead" Lol okay. Tell that to 15 incoming blueberries. You may kill 10, but you won't get rid of all the bullets and wounds.
Thats what my apex dragon scout's 'hateshard' remote explosives,dual complex kincats,and advanced armour reps are for.
Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 21:20:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Joel II X wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Joel II X wrote:Then back before it's too late!
In all seriousness, most people would be used to playing assault. It's the most basic of roles sim:ply because it's only to kill stuff wherever, making pushes on enemy lines. The difference between Assaults and other mediums such as the frames and logistics of a small trade off in mobility for increased armor and shields. You also get down to one equipment slot.
Assaults also get a fitting bonus to weapons to fit better modules, and even help their racial rifles and some sidearms.
Scouts are good for solo play only when you get Dampeners. A scanned scout is a dead scout. Go assault. It costs less SP to get into. Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.) "getting scanned as a scout doesn't mean you're dead" Lol okay. Tell that to 15 incoming blueberries. You may kill 10, but you won't get rid of all the bullets and wounds. Thats what my apex dragon scout's 'hateshard' remote explosives,dual complex kincats,and advanced armour reps are for. You know they scan your remotes too  . Honestly you can damp, have speed and hp while running in a gal scout.
Decoy remotes. And i would run the gal scout but the allure of the battleskirt and the extra stamina feels better.
And i can fit for a lot of diffrent things.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 23:43:00 -
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Arcann wrote:Thank you all for this valuable information.
Play Assault first and than Scout, after a few million I will play Scout.
Kixk some proto arse for me. The mancave burned down and the ps3 isnt back from the insurance guys het
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