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Posted - 2015.07.31 13:01:00 -
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The Scout is an SP-intensive role. Because of this, I'd recommend starting off with a MedFrame, investing heavily into your core skills, then skilling into a Scout as your second suit. You'll be fighting a slow and uphill battle otherwise.
Scoutly SP Sinks to fill:
* Armor / Shield Upgrades
* Fitting Upgrades
* EWAR Upgrades (Precision, Range, Profile)
* Biotics Upgrades and Level 5 KinCats
* Proficiency in Knives or Shotgun (recommended)
* Proficiency in a decent Rifle (recommend Combat Rifle ... easier to fit)
* Proficiency in a reliable Sidearm (recommend SMG or Bolt)
* Level 5 Active Scanner (or) Level 1 Demolitions (for REs)
* Level 1 to Level 3 Cloak
* Level 4-5 Racial Scout (or you won't be able to fit cloak)
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 13:46:00 -
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Addendum:
I realize that I said above "your rifle of choice", but I recommend against skilling into ScR. The Scrambler Rifle is over-powered at the moment and likely in for an eventual nerf. It's also noisy, and is the toughest rifle to fit on a Scout suit. The CR, by contrast, is the easiest to fit. The RR and AR are other good options, the latter of which is likely going in for an eventual buff.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 14:31:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Joel II X wrote:Then back before it's too late!
In all seriousness, most people would be used to playing assault. It's the most basic of roles simply because it's only to kill stuff wherever, making pushes on enemy lines. The difference between Assaults and other mediums such as the frames and logistics of a small trade off in mobility for increased armor and shields. You also get down to one equipment slot.
Assaults also get a fitting bonus to weapons to fit better modules, and even help their racial rifles and some sidearms.
Scouts are good for solo play only when you get Dampeners. A scanned scout is a dead scout. Go assault. It costs less SP to get into. Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.)
That's a fun story. If it were a true story, your KDR would be closer to 8 than 1, right? We should be giving our newbros realistic advice. The reality is, there are few things easier in the game to counter than a squishy, undampened Scout. Unless you're up against ill-equipped and/or inattentive buffoons, Joel's advice is good advice ... a scanned Scout is a dead Scout, far more often than not.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 15:21:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:[
Scanned doesnt mean dead. Lay a trap. They might know your position but they dont know what you might be packing. Ive had so many situations were i get scanned and the idiot who scans me thinks im an easy target(its always a O.H,or NF guy) goes in thinking im a low ehp scout and hes right. But what he doesnt know is that im packing a shotgun,run 9.64m a second,and have 212 (base amarr scout hp with full armour skill)armour that reps at the adv amour repair level.(adv reps.) Then he thinks he can spray with his combat rifle and get me. Of course as i mentioned,9.64m in a small room. Close the distance with a serpentine appraoch pattern to break the AA hes so reliant on and bam. Dead enemy. Works 80% of the time(sometimes my passives dont pick the guy up and im not ready yet,or its a supertanked amarr assault.)
That's a fun story. If it were a true story, your KDR would be closer to 8 than 1, right? We should be giving our newbros realistic advice. The reality is, there are few things easier in the game to counter than a squishy, undampened Scout. Unless you're up against ill-equipped and/or inattentive buffoons, Joel's advice is good advice ... a scanned Scout is a dead Scout, far more often than not. Kdr is for people who have no chill. Plus if i had a 8 kdr as a scout theres probaly something wrong with that image. And it is a true story. All my fits with scouts are amarr scouts(i dont run any other suits,being that the dragon scout is so versatile..). I run shotguns as my primary and a scrambler as a subweapon. I like my style and it nets me my 20+ kills per game. And of course you cant read because i said NF or O.H guys scan me alot. And of course they come in flocks. I know its hard for you to accept that people can do things that you cant but hey. Its the only thing i can do. Stop the stompers and destroy millions in assets. My 260k average payout keeps my little 9k isk slayers dropping people all the time and my corps wallet a little bigger all the time
@ OP
Assume that instead of pounding chest in a newbro advice thread, the guy above was actually being honest about his methods and success rates. Assume that in a given match he was in-fact head-on shotgunning "idiot guys" from NF or OH at a success rate of 8/10. In an APEX Amarr Scout, no less. Long before he'd reach that 8th kill, the "idiot guys" from NF or OH will have fielded a GalLogi. Veterans do that.
A single GalLogi can rapidfire 21dB, 200m, 90 degree scans. These scan results are shared teamwide. If the Logi is cycling 3 scanners, the scans are permanently up. A Scout (no matter how good) cannot operate consistently behind enemy lines if he's constantly painted; he will be hunted down and he will be overrun. With negligible effort, the scans from this single unit will lock a Scout out of entire sections of map unless he dampens below them.
Again, undampened and squishy Scouts are among the easiest things to counter and kill in the entire game.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.07.31 16:21:00 -
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Ok, I concede. You've mastered the Scoutly Arts.
Pray tell, Scout Master:
Should newbro scouts not worry about dampening their fits?
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Posted - 2015.07.31 16:43:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ok, I concede. You've mastered the Scoutly Arts.
Pray tell, Scout Master:
Should this newbro not worry about dampening his fits? Hello no it works for me but im not sure about him. Heck do an assault if you have low reaction time. Speed shotgun lowhp scouts are for the people with high reaction speed and general understanding of game mechanics.
I'm confused, Scout Master. Did you by chance read the title of this thread?
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Posted - 2015.07.31 17:10:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Agreed with Ripley, Joel, and Adipem.
If you REALLY want to go scout, as soon as possible, I would suggest skilling into Dampeners first thing, then running your Assault dampened. You can get close enough in terms of dampening to have a scoutly play style, while still retaining the HP of an Assault. You can run Militia SGs and still be pretty deadly.
At that point, you can work on the necessary SP of scouts, like speed, stamina, hacking etc. It really is SP intensive, so just be aware beforehand. I think its like almost 20 mill for cores,dampening,and a scout suit to level 5 right? I have like 6mill invested in weapons.
Something like that. And that's without a suit or gun(s).
To do well, a Scout needs those Core Skills up more so than other infantry units. A newbro can kick arse while running Assault and leveling up his Core Skills. Can't do the same in a Scout suit.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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