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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 09:26:00 - [1] - Quote There have been no ninja changes for over a year that I can think of, except last week when I figured a last minute change wouldn't hurt anyone, added modules into the new slots on the APEX commandos, broke them by go over on pg/cpu, and then realized it would be a good idea to buff them all and align them all to the same values, like the grand plan dictates, resulting in one suit getting "ninja" nerfed. If there are more, I will freely admit to them, but perpetuating this kind of misinformation that we are always somehow being untruthful and insincere is really aggravating. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 11:40:00 - [2] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There have been no ninja changes for over a year that I can think of, except last week when I figured a last minute change wouldn't hurt anyone, added modules into the new slots on the APEX commandos, broke them by go over on pg/cpu, and then realized it would be a good idea to buff them all and align them all to the same values, like the grand plan dictates, resulting in one suit getting "ninja" nerfed. If there are more, I will freely admit to them, but perpetuating this kind of misinformation that we are always somehow being untruthful and insincere is really aggravating. Ok. How bout commandos getting their powergrid reduced and their cpu increased? Link to the original post where the ninja nerf is admitted five times wrote: one of my galmando fittings became invalid overnight, because pg exceeded. wtf? CCP Rattati wrote: you didn't mention that cpu went also up. We are aligning cpu and pg values across the different roles. Commandos will get a fitting bonus to something relevant for them later. Please CCP Rattati, you're doing a great job but you can't hide the sky with your hand. Stealth chanhes have been happening for quite a while and this is just one example. I don't mean to be confrontational or anything but the truth is the truth and I've seen value changes with my own eyes not so long ago Didn't I just explain the Commando change in the previous post. Please read before posting. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:27:00 - [3] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There have been no ninja changes for over a year that I can think of, except last week when I figured a last minute change wouldn't hurt anyone, added modules into the new slots on the APEX commandos, broke them by go over on pg/cpu, and then realized it would be a good idea to buff them all and align them all to the same values, like the grand plan dictates, resulting in one suit getting "ninja" nerfed. If there are more, I will freely admit to them, but perpetuating this kind of misinformation that we are always somehow being untruthful and insincere is really aggravating. Ok. How bout commandos getting their powergrid reduced and their cpu increased? Link to the original post where the ninja nerf is admitted five times wrote: one of my galmando fittings became invalid overnight, because pg exceeded. wtf? CCP Rattati wrote: you didn't mention that cpu went also up. We are aligning cpu and pg values across the different roles. Commandos will get a fitting bonus to something relevant for them later. Please CCP Rattati, you're doing a great job but you can't hide the sky with your hand. Stealth chanhes have been happening for quite a while and this is just one example. I don't mean to be confrontational or anything but the truth is the truth and I've seen value changes with my own eyes not so long ago Didn't I just explain the Commando change in the previous post. Please read before posting. I read, bit you meantioned apex. If it was all of them then I apologize and retract my statement and stand corrected since I was the one that told him about the stealth changes that had been very popular for a while. Even during big patches, half the thing we onlu found out about duing gameplay. One of the biggest ones for me was the forge gun roind size. It used to be nig enough for decent anti-infantry work, now its literally am invisible dot in the center.... Anyways. I apologize if you had meant all commandos amd mot just the apex. We have never changed the size of the forge gun projectile, ever "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:28:00 - [4] - Quote Keeriam Miray wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2840032#post2840032 CCP Rattati wrote: I can't support a turning speed change, I remember having no recourse as a heavy and it also messes up people who play multiple roles, needing to adjust to them. Yet, it happened. Ninja nerf to armor plates for turning & aiming speed. What our best dev (can't accept that) come up with for that? We have never changed the turning or aiming speed "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:30:00 - [5] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Ice Royal Glantix wrote: A corpmate of mine is saying the CCP frequently makes changes to things in the game, such as weapons, without telling anyone. Apparently the Combat Rifle had it's burst delay changed a couple of weeks ago, and it's damage vs. shields was also dropped recently as well. Is my corpmate just delusional? Or have these nerfs actually taken place? The ScR had a heat build up increase. And damage reduction* That was not a ninja nerf, it was an unintentional side-effect of changing the ROF, that later was returned to normal. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 19:38:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: David Spd wrote: Mistakes =/= ninja nerfs. Would the community kindly let this crap go? Rattati has stated multiple times that "ninja nerfs" are usually just mistakes on their part and people keep thinking they're doing malicious things. Just stop people; you're making yourselves look dense. It is good to test and confirm that what was meant to happen did in fact happen. It is also good to test for errors and/or unintended consequences. Whether or not people think Rattati is being sneaky only adds flavor to the narrative :-) PS: I don't think Rattati is being sneaky. I blame rogue coders. Adipem Nothi wrote: Tested Keeriam's rotation theory as follows ... GalLogi jumps and rotates X degrees before hitting the ground. To confirm consistency, recharged stamina fully and repeated the process 5x. Results > 180 degree rotation (~200 degrees) - GalLogi + 0 plates < 180 degree rotation (~160 degrees) - GalLogi + 2 complex plates + 2 standard plates Conclusion The addition of plates seems to have either decreased jump height or slowed rotation speed. * Using DS3 at 100% sensitivity. I dont recall saying Plates shouldnt change turning speed. I said heavies shouldn't have different rotation speed than other sizes. Also, this effect may, for all I know, always been the case, so why cry nerf? I will need videos of before and after this perceived change. The only change done was to increase the strafe penalty of armor plates, and that was broadcast and discussed like any other change we have made. If it did have this rotation speed, then it was unintended, but something I am happy with anyway. Sometimes a cake tastes better, even if you used the wrong ingredients. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.29 19:51:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: ... I'm with you 100%, and I'm not crying "stealth nerf" or "foul play" here; the results of the above test were simply unexpected. As I understand it, Duncan should have a test video up soon. PS: Observed similar affect on Assault suit. Will also test Sentinel, Commando and Scout. Again, useless if there is no before and after. I honestly don't know that's not the way it always has been. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.30 08:04:00 - [8] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Rattati, while I appreciate your responses here I don't feel that you should have to justify yourself to people who are wrong and approaching things in such an aggressive manner. I mean idiots love to be wrong, and they particularly love to be wrong in the face of actual evidence that contradicts their position. I've gotten involved in wonderful arguments where people still insist that you were wrong/lying about calscout hitbox, and arguments about how all stacking penalties were removed and such, usually its just a long parade of horrible logical fallacies and failures of critical thought. Unfortunately a lot of this does stem from lack of player access to information (in particular accurate information), or people being given misinformation, people failing to do their research, or people outright lying about things cause dunning-krueger or other needs for a scapegoat. This will be my definitive and only response on ninja nerfs. Sometimes you need to stamp out the rumors, because ignoring them gives them credence. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 25	Posted - 2015.07.30 08:04:00 - [9] - Quote Keeriam Miray wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Keeriam, Rattati is saying that this may have been the case for a long time. Interesting as it is, we have no way of knowing whether or not this unexpected finding is old news or new news. It happened like 2 weeks ago or so, my sentinel sniper & "heavy" assault become magically slower, can't follow my targets as before. And i started actively playing with gal. assault just two months ago, therefore i noticed changes. No "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"