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Summa Militum Art.of.Death 556	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:22:00 - [1] - Quote ...but if a Free-For-All GameMode were implemented it would give people an opportunity to play a gamemode where you won't get screwed over by a bunch of people on your team dropping out or AFKing. It would also give people an opportunity to run around a match in "fun" fits without feeling like they are screwing people over on their team. I can only imagine good things coming from a Free-For-All GameMode. What could the negative consequences be? What are your thoughts on this?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote The biggest negative I can think of is that any new queue will drain players from existing queues. I like the idea, but not if it comes at the expense of longer wait times. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:26:00 - [3] - Quote Well, I imagine it would be a massive clusterfuck. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog My soul is unsavable
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 556	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:28:00 - [4] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Well, I imagine it would be a massive clusterfuck. Oh you're right. It would definitely be a clusterfuck...a glorious clusterfuck.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:32:00 - [5] - Quote How about if regular Ambuh and Ambush OMS was replaced with this free-for-all mode? That way, it shouldn't lengthen the queue times for the other modes. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog My soul is unsavable
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 523	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:34:00 - [6] - Quote We can stop people from leaving matches. I know plenty of games that punish people for leaving the match, and it works. People stay and play it out even if they're losing miserably. Granted, these games also have rather larger playerbases than Dust... I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 557	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: The biggest negative I can think of is that any new queue will drain players from existing queues. I like the idea, but not if it comes at the expense of longer wait times. This is true. I would hope though that a Free-For-All GameMode might provide a means for new players to continue playing the game instead of quitting which in theory would result in us having a larger playerbase and less queue times for matches. A new player with only a few million SP might have a better time going up against individual people instead of risking at any moment having to go up against an entire squad.
Artemis Hyde DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:27:00 - [8] - Quote Mercs fighting for salvage the higher up on the list you are the more salvage you are rewarded winner awarded most. or fighting for Warbarge components winner gets most.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 136	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:44:00 - [9] - Quote Honestly I'd hate to see any kind of punishment for leaving a match implemented for two very good reasons. The first is obvious, the servers are so bad you get kicked far too often. I am not going to even try and claim it's my own interment when I get a message saying I've signed out of PSN and left the match but can sign back in again an instant later. The other reason is lousy boring red line matches. Winning or losing no one wants to sit around and wait for the match to be over 15min later. A bonus reason, joining matches in progress is far to common. Who wants to stick around for a match that's mostly over and your team is getting spawn killed in the red line?
Al the destroyer Vader's-Fist 793	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:46:00 - [10] - Quote What if they got cockpunched in the browneye for leaving! Not too many would leave then Vader's Fist we will punch a hole in your face!

Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 719	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:59:00 - [11] - Quote 3 guys gang uo on the rest of the others then you have a stomp like you've never seen before click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:25:00 - [12] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Honestly I'd hate to see any kind of punishment for leaving a match implemented for two very good reasons. The first is obvious, the servers are so bad you get kicked far too often. I am not going to even try and claim it's my own interment when I get a message saying I've signed out of PSN and left the match but can sign back in again an instant later. The other reason is lousy boring red line matches. Winning or losing no one wants to sit around and wait for the match to be over 15min later. A bonus reason, joining matches in progress is far to common. Who wants to stick around for a match that's mostly over and your team is getting spawn killed in the red line? This is the kind of attitude that leads to consistently unbalance matches. While I recognize that blanket leaving match penalties are a bad idea due to disconnection issues there needs to be some mechanism to raise the match completion rate. Now I would prefer the carrot over the stock to be sure but either (if done intelligently) would be better than what we have now. I honestly think people giving up on matches because they are loosing is one of the largest issues this game has faced over its lifetime. Now with more evil.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote It is bad for the team. I got out in 4 specific battles today where other team did that so I pulled out my Rattati assault and killed killed killed. And u only died once to a Thales. CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:13:00 - [14] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: We can stop people from leaving matches. I know plenty of games that punish people for leaving the match, and it works. People stay and play it out even if they're losing miserably. Granted, these games also have rather larger playerbases than Dust... Suuuuuuuure... It stops people from leaving like like getting a ticket stops someone from speeding. It might cut down the number of people leaving a match, but you'll still get plenty of people who don't care about the penalties and will just leave anyways. Short of draining massive amounts of SP, there's little to nothing that can guarantee keeping your players in a game if they don't want to play. It's not fun getting stomped and when you play to have fun, there's no point in sticking around in a match with a squad or two while your team has nothing. I do like the OP's idea though~ Why don't we have a free for all match mode yet? Plenty of other games have them, why not Dust? It's not like it's a new concept or anything... What? Am I mad? Why do you ask?
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 437	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:50:00 - [15] - Quote A free-for-all mode would make heavies and logis mostly redundant, vehicles too. It would be full of snipers and would be easy to exploit with co-operation. Not against the concept but think it's got a lot of potential pitfalls and doesn't actually solve the problem of people leaving battle.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:57:00 - [16] - Quote How about a squad death match? Your only team mates are your most trusted few and it's pretty much a slightly more organised version of free for all Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 137	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:40:00 - [17] - Quote I would like to see the old ambush come back. Sure it was a disaster for K/D chasers but it was fun. You spawned behind people, they spawned behind you. it was a slaughter that was over with in under 5min tops. Even worse back in the days of vehicles being in ambush matches. I don't really see the point of the current ambush matches. Not only can you not select Ambush vs ambush OMS like you used to but they take far to long most of the time. The maps are HUGE, some times bigger than skirmish maps. Unless you have some one running good scanners you can spend half the match just trying to find the other team. Not to mention there are no vehicles so you have to walk that 500m to get there.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:15:00 - [18] - Quote Do you want to know what CCP could do to make it better? Proposed by many : [list] Delete Skirmish from public battles Combine Domination with Acq (can't remember full name) to make one gamemode (Dom was supposed to be current Acq) This would leave skirmish for FW and PC, improve domination gamemode and give better queues times + matchmaking. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:17:00 - [19] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Do you want to know what CCP could do to make it better? Port. FTFY Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog I flippin' love the PLC
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:25:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Do you want to know what CCP could do to make it better? Proposed by many : Delete Skirmish from public battles Combine Domination with Acq (can't remember full name) to make one gamemode (Dom was supposed to be current Acq) This would leave skirmish for FW and PC, improve domination gamemode and give better queues times + matchmaking. That wouldn't solve the problem either as there are plenty of people who don't like dom or aquisition and would be frustrated to be limited to the one combined option for ISK earning. Additionally plenty of people leave domination and aquisition as it stands. Making a combination of those the only game mode would do nothing to stop their exodus. Now with more evil.

Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 01:19:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Do you want to know what CCP could do to make it better? Proposed by many : Delete Skirmish from public battles Combine Domination with Acq (can't remember full name) to make one gamemode (Dom was supposed to be current Acq) This would leave skirmish for FW and PC, improve domination gamemode and give better queues times + matchmaking. That wouldn't solve the problem either as there are plenty of people who don't like dom or aquisition and would be frustrated to be limited to the one combined option for ISK earning. Additionally plenty of people leave domination and aquisition as it stands. Making a combination of those the only game mode would do nothing to stop their exodus. Look at this from different perspective. Aquisition is what domination should be. Combining them both would improve said gamemode. There is still ambush, money maker. And lastly skirmish. This gamemode has low isk rewards (currently in pubs) and requires teamwork from unorganized team. Moving it to FW would throw more attention to it (fw) and would help players to realise ,that skirmish is not for new and solo players. Public skirmish has already low amount of people who queue for it. FW offers much greater payouts at cost of higher difficulity and the need for teamwork. Better queue times, better options for matchmaker to craft teams. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
Asekpri Vorkna G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 34	Posted - 2015.07.29 01:45:00 - [22] - Quote Asekpri Vorkna disapproves only for the fact that this is a team based game on so many levels and everyone will support this until they lose ten times as many dropsuits from all of the instant deaths like in Call of Duty. So, to save everyone the hassle of getting what they think they want, this soldier says, negative. Besides, the current zones are not big enough to warrant thirty two people in a free for all war.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 565	Posted - 2015.07.29 04:35:00 - [23] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: 3 guys gang uo on the rest of the others then you have a stomp like you've never seen before Sounds more like a stomp I see everyday in this game. I don't think it is possible for me to get stomped anymore severely than I have been in the past running solo in an Ambush match going up against two q-synced squads of 0uter.Heaven.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 565	Posted - 2015.07.29 04:50:00 - [24] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: A free-for-all mode would make heavies and logis mostly redundant, vehicles too. It would be full of snipers and would be easy to exploit with co-operation. Not against the concept but think it's got a lot of potential pitfalls and doesn't actually solve the problem of people leaving battle. True that it won't stop people from leaving battle but if someone does leave a Free-For-All battle then it won't matter because you are only dependent on yourself. Logi's would have the biggest problem in Free-For-All up until the logi realizes they can run around with multiple scanners. Heavies will end up being your primary campers for damn sure. Redline snipers can be dealt with by adjusting the layout of some of the maps.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 565	Posted - 2015.07.29 04:54:00 - [25] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: How about a squad death match? Your only team mates are your most trusted few and it's pretty much a slightly more organised version of free for all This is a pretty good idea right here.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 08:33:00 - [26] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Do you want to know what CCP could do to make it better? Proposed by many : Delete Skirmish from public battles Combine Domination with Acq (can't remember full name) to make one gamemode (Dom was supposed to be current Acq) This would leave skirmish for FW and PC, improve domination gamemode and give better queues times + matchmaking. That wouldn't solve the problem either as there are plenty of people who don't like dom or aquisition and would be frustrated to be limited to the one combined option for ISK earning. Additionally plenty of people leave domination and aquisition as it stands. Making a combination of those the only game mode would do nothing to stop their exodus. Look at this from different perspective. Aquisition is what domination should be. Combining them both would improve said gamemode. There is still ambush, money maker. And lastly skirmish. This gamemode has low isk rewards (currently in pubs) and requires teamwork from unorganized team. Moving it to FW would throw more attention to it (fw) and would help players to realise ,that skirmish is not for new and solo players. Public skirmish has already low amount of people who queue for it. FW offers much greater payouts at cost of higher difficulity and the need for teamwork. Better queue times, better options for matchmaker to craft teams. I fully understand what you are saying but it doesn't solve the problem the OP was writing about namely people quitting matches. I'd love to discuss the merits of your plan for increasing player involvement in matches (assuming that is your ultimate goal) but that should happen in a different thread. I was just trying to point out that you were pretty far off topic or, at the very least, failing to explain how your ideas would stop players from dropping out of matches. Now with more evil.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2015.07.29 10:27:00 - [27] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: We can stop people from leaving matches. I know plenty of games that punish people for leaving the match, and it works. People stay and play it out even if they're losing miserably. Granted, these games also have rather larger playerbases than Dust... why would you want to play a game and not have fun? I thought the whole point of games was to have fun in our spare time? If I'm not having fun in a game I'll leave, are we at school here? Is that what this is, we have to stay until the bell rings? You would propose that?
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 156	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:42:00 - [28] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: We can stop people from leaving matches. I know plenty of games that punish people for leaving the match, and it works. People stay and play it out even if they're losing miserably. Granted, these games also have rather larger playerbases than Dust... why would you want to play a game and not have fun? I thought the whole point of games was to have fun in our spare time? If I'm not having fun in a game I'll leave, are we at school here? Is that what this is, we have to stay until the bell rings? You would propose that? The people who never play solo expect people to stay and take their losses like men. Their fun is irrelevant, the squares up folks need their victories and kills. It is easier to blame the players than CCP for making a broken turd. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 524	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:34:00 - [29] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: We can stop people from leaving matches. I know plenty of games that punish people for leaving the match, and it works. People stay and play it out even if they're losing miserably. Granted, these games also have rather larger playerbases than Dust... why would you want to play a game and not have fun? I thought the whole point of games was to have fun in our spare time? If I'm not having fun in a game I'll leave, are we at school here? Is that what this is, we have to stay until the bell rings? You would propose that? Most people's idea of fun isn't a one-sided stomp due to the fact that half the team left in fear when they saw who was in the opposing team. Most people have fun when they're in a fair match. If you leave the game you are potentially ruining the fun for the other people on your team. Did you notice how they call matches in this game "Contracts"? You can't just back out from a contract you've signed without keeping your side of the contract. A contract is enforceable by law. If you've committed to joining a match, you should be obliged to see it through, just like everyone else in that match should. In order to preserve the fun aspect for everyone there. It's not just about you. There are 31 other people in the match. I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:11:00 - [30] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: A contract is enforceable by law. Oh. My. God. Go outside. Dust is not life, it is a crappy lobby shooter. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.

Raven-747 WarRavens RUST415 133	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:36:00 - [31] - Quote FFA game mode? Wow so basically a zoo of jumping monkeys trying to plc each other mid air. Not a bad idea though. Buff my Scr back or suffer the wrath of the Empire.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 583	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:36:00 - [32] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Count- -Crotchula wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: We can stop people from leaving matches. I know plenty of games that punish people for leaving the match, and it works. People stay and play it out even if they're losing miserably. Granted, these games also have rather larger playerbases than Dust... why would you want to play a game and not have fun? I thought the whole point of games was to have fun in our spare time? If I'm not having fun in a game I'll leave, are we at school here? Is that what this is, we have to stay until the bell rings? You would propose that? The people who never play solo expect people to stay and take their losses like men. Their fun is irrelevant, the squares up folks need their victories and kills. It is easier to blame the players than CCP for making a broken turd. I primarily run solo and I fully expect everyone to stay in a match (98% of the time) regardless of who they are up against. I wish people would view the moments they are put up against really good players as practice to become better. This game has a whole bunch of absolute garbage players and I am pretty sure it's because the majority of them do not consistently challenge themselves.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:45:00 - [33] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I primarily run solo and I fully expect everyone to stay in a match (98% of the time) regardless of who they are up against. I wish people would view the moments they are put up against really good players as practice to become better. This game has a whole bunch of absolute garbage players and I am pretty sure it's because the majority of them do not consistently challenge themselves. Casuals are never going to be tryhards. No amount of stick will change that. F2P games attract casuals. Crappy F2P games attract super casuals, or children. Its funny, people complain about people quitting, when the other option is they afk for the rest of the match, and the result is the same, except the quitter gets SP and a splash of ISK. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 583	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:22:00 - [34] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I primarily run solo and I fully expect everyone to stay in a match (98% of the time) regardless of who they are up against. I wish people would view the moments they are put up against really good players as practice to become better. This game has a whole bunch of absolute garbage players and I am pretty sure it's because the majority of them do not consistently challenge themselves. Casuals are never going to be tryhards. No amount of stick will change that. F2P games attract casuals. Crappy F2P games attract super casuals, or children. Its funny, people complain about people quitting, when the other option is they afk for the rest of the match, and the result is the same, except the quitter gets SP and a splash of ISK. I don't understand how in your mind you think those are your only two options; quit or run and hide. Also, this game attracts a lot more people than just "casuals". I didn't quit Modern Warfare so I could "casually" play this game. I left Modern Warfare to come to this game because in this game I can get my ass whipped and because I have the opportunity to consistently build up my character. This game has a lot to offer people and it sucks that pathetic people like you who can't break away from being a complete @$$hole have to ruin that for people.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 173	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:34:00 - [35] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I don't understand how in your mind you think those are your only two options; quit or run and hide. Also, this game attracts a lot more people than just "casuals". I didn't quit Modern Warfare so I could "casually" play this game. I left Modern Warfare to come to this game because in this game I can get my ass whipped and because I have the opportunity to consistently build up my character. This game has a lot to offer people and it sucks that pathetic people like you who can't break away from being a complete @$$hole have to ruin that for people. Why did you suddenly make this personal? Did someone leave a floater in your cereal this morning? All F2P games draw casuals. Without the cash up front, you have no commitment to the title, and can walk away whenever you like. It is a baked in part of the appeal of F2P titles. I used to play a ton of WoT, and the casual problem is just as bad there as it is here. Probably worse, because failing upwards there is actually a little easier than it is in dust. Top tier matches with players whose stats show they shouldn't even be allowed to own a computer let alone play a team game. But because F2P, there they are stinking up the joint. Also, just because you quit modern warfare(really topical reference, when did the last MW come out, 2011?), to play dust hardcore doesn't mean the remaining people do as well. You would do well to try and understand that. There is a small core of fanatical dust players, maybe a couple of hundred strong. Most of the rest probably couldn't care if you have fun or if they quit a million matches. Of course its funny that you call me pathetic when you want to dictate how people play games. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 527	Posted - 2015.07.30 03:13:00 - [36] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: A contract is enforceable by law. Oh. My. God. Go outside. Dust is not life, it is a crappy lobby shooter. Man I was just describing what the word contract actually means. You know, in the real world. Outside. And how that differs from what are called "contracts" in Dust, which are actually as you put it yourself, more like crappy lobbies. I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 260	Posted - 2015.07.30 05:20:00 - [37] - Quote I've imagined this before. I...I don't know though. The amount of chaos that would ensue. I want it, but then I look at my isk wallet and realize that IT doesn't want it... Plus, yeah, the whole "remove people from other queues" is also worrisome. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
Leovarian L Lavitz Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.07.30 06:06:00 - [38] - Quote Lengthen war barge timer to allow scotty time to balance the match, allow autobattle-pulls you straight into the que for your selected battle types at the end of match without having to go to your Merc quarters Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Dueling is my specialty


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