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Devadander wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Sicerly Yaw wrote:

then why did you even comment?

and yes you are being accused because you have shown to be someone not to trust when it comes to dealing with problems

If you don't want anything to do with it then simply don't post or make comments on things that I post

I just like aggravating people that don't know anything about me and make rampant assumptions without any evidence or factual basis. It isn't that I don't want anything to do with it; if you give me a belt and tell me that it fits, I might as well make it fit, right? It's who you want me to be, so I'll be that person for you. -Pat pat- It'll be okay, Timmy.

EDIT: But in all seriousness let's look at the presentation of information here. You say Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist is perfectly fine, I counter with three videos and say that there is a large majority of the community that believe otherwise. Rather than contest this evidence, you go straight to the ad hominem and accuse me of hurp a flurb because of the disagreement gablurb a durp.

You expect me to continue BSing with you after that? Go take a debate class, bro.

Talos Vagheitan wrote:

BP = OP is a myth.

I don't see it on the killfeed more often than most other guns.

Yes it's annoying to get killed by it, because it can kill you suddenly, but OP? Hardly.

I have a match recorded in which 43 of the kills were with a Bolt Pistol >_>;

As a caldari, I have a scout with 3x sidearm damage mods, and dual BP.
In my hands its only mildly OP. At best... Hardly a zero death fit.....
I run it almost never lol.

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Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:38:00 - [31] - Quote And btw, Sincerly Yaw, when it comes to "you seem to be to stubborn to listen to anyone else that has a different opinion on things as has been proven in the past " I'll let my man Neil deGrasse Tyson explain it in a way that you can hopefully understand. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:39:00 - [32] - Quote Devadander wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: then why did you even comment? and yes you are being accused because you have shown to be someone not to trust when it comes to dealing with problems If you don't want anything to do with it then simply don't post or make comments on things that I post I just like aggravating people that don't know anything about me and make rampant assumptions without any evidence or factual basis. It isn't that I don't want anything to do with it; if you give me a belt and tell me that it fits, I might as well make it fit, right? It's who you want me to be, so I'll be that person for you. -Pat pat- It'll be okay, Timmy. EDIT: But in all seriousness let's look at the presentation of information here. You say Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist is perfectly fine, I counter with three videos and say that there is a large majority of the community that believe otherwise. Rather than contest this evidence, you go straight to the ad hominem and accuse me of hurp a flurb because of the disagreement gablurb a durp. You expect me to continue BSing with you after that? Go take a debate class, bro. Talos Vagheitan wrote: BP = OP is a myth. I don't see it on the killfeed more often than most other guns. Yes it's annoying to get killed by it, because it can kill you suddenly, but OP? Hardly. I have a match recorded in which 43 of the kills were with a Bolt Pistol >_>; As a caldari, I have a scout with 3x sidearm damage mods, and dual BP. In my hands its only mildly OP. At best... Hardly a zero death fit..... I run it almost never lol. I never once said it was OP, just that it's aim assist/bullet magnetism is pretty magical and there are some -really- sketchy occurrences with it. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 975	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:48:00 - [33] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Why dost thou taco have thine meat and cheeseth? Vahzz asks the real questions Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 707	Posted - 2015.07.26 05:35:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: But in all seriousness let's look at the presentation of information here. You say Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist is perfectly fine, I counter with three videos and say that there is a large majority of the community that believe otherwise. Rather than contest this evidence, you go straight to the ad hominem and accuse me of hurp a flurb because of the disagreement gablurb a durp. I have a match recorded in which 43 of the kills were with a Bolt Pistol >_>; quote me when I said that AA is fine, on the contrary I agree that It should go but it is not unique to the BP the presentation of information is wholly based on you trying to convince me that just because you can get kills or get head shots that a weapon is OP, if that's the case the SR should be nerfed because it does too much damage and no one should be able to get head shots from that far away if a weapon does what its supposed to that makes it OP? all the so called evidence you put on the table means little to nothing plenty of people have gotten better scores then you have with the BP that isn't due to the items you use being OP as the suit you run in is a major part of your KD ratio and out of those 43 kills how many were head shots? not to mention that when I called you out you simply avoided it rather then agreeing and testing it out as you should be doing, I have agreed to the AA being a problem as it is and still you say that I said its fine and the only argument you seem to have is that the AA makes it OP due to the high amount of head shots that you supposedly get due to it so what have I said? remove AA but not just from the BP or even just the BP but I would rather remove it all together not only so "elite" players get a wake up call and have to start aiming but so that bullets don't fly trough walls or land 3m next to you but still give out full damage here I am trying to do something good and give you a chance to make a good case for your argument but you stick to childish views "It kills people and occasionally gets head shots, that makes it OP" so 43 kill is your best ever? your telling me you've never gotten more kills with any other weapon? and let me guess the BP you used is the Kaalakiota BP? or worse yet the officer variant? I've given everyone that tried to argue that the BP is OP plenty of opportunities to prove it with actual evidence not some crappy video of a high sp player killing scrubs, I don't see any FOTM chasers going after the BP I hardly see it out on the field as it is when I do see it its either someone that cant even kill anything or a good player either trolling or just using it as a sidearm not as a primary I don't care if AA is removed I don't mind it reverting to its previous form and I don't care if it gets buffed or nerfed again, however using bad evidence and the mindset of the community to "balance" something will do more harm then good I used a duel toxin smg on a recon ga and went 25/2 thats two std smg's on a suit that I only had mlt and std mods on and I don't have maxed smg skills I don't even have proficiency in it, and If I could record videos I would defiantly show everyone so they can stop trying to use that argument because if that's the case just about every weapon in the game is OP and they should all be nerfed TL:DR since you seem to be to lazy or stubborn to read or try to understand my argument I will put it in more simple terms almost every weapon in this game is capable of giving you close if not better results to what the BP can do It is not OP just because you say AA is so magical, and last but not least killing 43 scrubs doesn't make anything OP come back here when you use duel BP in PC and actually do well against a reputable corp and their best players using the BP of course since its so OP click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 707	Posted - 2015.07.26 05:36:00 - [35] - Quote Devadander wrote: I maxed CR and slapped a six kin on my calass, people are not happy. Can't wait for the nerf CR threads. Oh, and I went 21 5 0 with an elm 7 on a a-l series. Better nerf that bad boy too. Oh, and melee, I kill people with that, nerf it too. I kill people with the bolt pistol and have had AA off since they dropped it. But, we better nerf that too just in case. Oh, and those OHK on infantry from my AFG are OP, nerf. I killed some guys with a blaster installation, the installation meta is too OP, better nerf. Minmando is a murder machine with a CR and a MD, NURF. THOSE DARN AMARR AND THEIR SCRUMBLERRZ, NURF NURF... NURF.. FML.... you basically summed up the mindset of most of the players here click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Lone Wolf 777 Caldari Immortals 13	Posted - 2015.07.26 06:01:00 - [36] - Quote Wow! A topic that I can finally agree with. Im a strict Caldari user & let me tell you, anything Caldari is outperformed by anything. Its sad but true. I can slap on a DMG mod or 2 with an armor based suit & it does nice DMG but the Caldari cannot afford to lose their shield based mods.... ex. Exchange entenders/rechargers for DMG/melee mods, well there goes your hp & recharge.... Exchange a regulator for a damp/kincat/armor/etc., & there goes another just as valuable asset to Caldari. Lesson: Its just simply not fair to shield users. By the way, I've already done the math, ARR is the lowest dps rifle. Those "nerf warriors" as I call them, ruined the once great/feared weapon & suit. Now its all about the looks for me which is sad when it should be for looks & performance.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 736	Posted - 2015.07.26 07:09:00 - [37] - Quote +1 You stated the ScR is/was OP. It is fading away. The people who used it (FOTM Chasers) can't shoot fast enough due to the Ninja Nerfed overheat per second increase. They all and are going to be using the ARR & RR. I've seen the increase in that Weaponry everywhere. The Assault Scrambler still needs a minor nerf so me and all the other true originals can stay using the gun. Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 736	Posted - 2015.07.26 07:12:00 - [38] - Quote Double post : Im actually all for buffing the Caldari shields Not only that I'm the only sane person here that actually and only thought of a Shield Booster Tool for Infantry, it would overheat upon giving said Boost to Caldari Infantry Shields. (Shield rep Tool would never happen. Too OP) Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 372	Posted - 2015.07.26 07:58:00 - [39] - Quote ,
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 372	Posted - 2015.07.26 08:06:00 - [40] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I find it easier to hit people when I use the bolt pistol and I would like a nerf to auto aim in the interest of balance, Is anyone seriously going to claim the original wall of text has anything to do with me whatsoever? Edit : or any of mr Yaws follow up posts, He seems to be attacking anti caldari FOTM crazies, I would argue my statement has nothing to do with the hatred of any any faction or the desire to maximize a fit, My kills with the bolt pistol are greater than my deaths to the bolt pistol.

D4GG3R 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.26 08:21:00 - [41] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Back in my day noone bothered to use the Ascr Back in my day there was no ascr I'm pretty plain. I watch anime for the boobs
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.26 09:18:00 - [42] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Mejt0 wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: When you fire up 10 bullets from ARR,that rifle kicks like mule on drugs after that.ARR is not OP,it's not reliable enough to be OP. You can empty half a clip with no problem. People can empty full clips hitting every time. As I said before, every assault variant of rifles outside of plasma rifle should be worse in cqc than plasma rifle itself. and they are if you use the AR right at first it may not seem like it but when you skill into the dispersion and Gal assault anything withing 40m can be picked off without even having to go into ADS and it makes getting head shots a whole lot easier if you have good aim, its an aim based weapon but that doesn't mean much while AA is a thing Bull I want to see you land consistent headshots with the duvolle in CQC. Even with max skills the dispersion is too large. 99% of the time the damage you gain from headshots disappears from the shots missing, so you might as well go center of mass. Note: Literally hugging your enemy does not count AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.26 09:24:00 - [43] - Quote The ARR is fine where it is. All I would do is reduce its optimal. Everything else is fine. The problem is the AR isn't as good as the other rifles, so we need to buff it up to acceptable levels to compete with the ARR. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 711	Posted - 2015.07.26 09:53:00 - [44] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The ARR is fine where it is. All I would do is reduce its optimal. Everything else is fine. The problem is the AR isn't as good as the other rifles, so we need to buff it up to acceptable levels to compete with the ARR. the rail rifles are supposed to be good at range and the AR does its job well in CQC the problem is the meta and people cant seem to get that the AR does not do so well because everyone mostly runs armor suits and the AR is an anti shield weapon the ARR does well because its an anti armor weapon and people want to nerf it because of that anything that kills an armor suit is automatically OP yet when it comes to everything destroying shields no one listens we cant just balance weapons to deal with armor we have to balance them to do their jobs respectively but the fact that armor far outmatches shields is still there which is why almost everyone chooses armor now a day and why the ScR was/still is OP due to it being balanced for armor mainly when its supposed to deal with shields not armor the ARR and RR need to encourage ranged engagement but the kick they have after prolonged fire discourages that, not to mention that the ScR AScR and laser rifle all can deal more damage to shield users at range making them ineffective at what they are meant to do In eve lasers have some of the shortest ranges but deal a good amount of damage while rail weapons don't deal as much damage but can easily stay out of the lasers range each role needs to be emphasized for things to work and shields need to be on equal footing to armor for any balance to be fair the AR should not be able to compete well with the ARR at range and the ARR should not be able to compete well with the AR in CQC, the way they currently are makes the ARR only so much better at range and the AR only do more damage when up close there are a lot of problems with balancing weapons and many things have to be looked at instead of just changing numbers till something works in eve the three types of turrets are each have sub categories one being short range one being long range laser -pulse laser (short range) beam laser (long range) projectile-auto cannon (short range) artillery (long range) hybrid-blaster (short range) railgun (long range) if each faction could have their respective long range high damage weapons and long range low damage weapons things could be more fairly balanced after putting shields at a reasonable place to compete so that perhaps we can be rid of the armor meta click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 711	Posted - 2015.07.26 10:05:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I want to see you land consistent head shots with the duvolle in CQC. Even with max skills the dispersion is too large. 99% of the time the damage you gain from head shots disappears from the shots missing, so you might as well go center of mass. Note: Literally hugging your enemy does not count my skills are far from maxed and I do not use the Gal Ass but feel free to squad up with me some time so I can show you that its not that hard to land consistent head shots no need for the duvolle either the std AR is fine just as it is, although I can use it if that's what you prefer anything withing 40m takes full damage ADS or not it deals good enough damage to destroy shields and sill takes out armor pretty fast I carry an AR on most of My NK fits as most engagements will more then likely be in close range and it helps with taking out shields or finish off low health targets, it also complements the speed of the scouts as they can strafe while hip firing to retreat while giving yourself cover fire or to outmaneuver slow targets a lot of people say that aiming for center of mass is better but when someone is strafing faster then you can align (scouts mostly) then getting extra damage is better if you're only gonna land a small amount of shots in the first place, also if you're gonna be hugging the enemy might as well use a shotgun instead click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 566	Posted - 2015.07.26 11:15:00 - [46] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Reign Omega wrote: The bp is overpowered. The aim tracking is nuts. Other than that, all is well, engage at will. you just said the BP is OP but your excuse is the Aim assist? that would make every single weapon that uses AA OP that is an ignorant excuse to call any weapon OP, and it is why I would rather have AA removed altogether a valid argument perhaps would be the head shot multiplier but all sidearms get a hefty head shot bonus compared to primary weapons I certainly would not say the bp is op. the AA has been toned down quiet abit. It does do quiet abit of damage but if anything this weapon needs a slightly longer charge time between shots . Trust me I can't stand this weapon, I'm constantly being shot in the back with it https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 711	Posted - 2015.07.26 11:41:00 - [47] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: Reign Omega wrote: The bp is overpowered. The aim tracking is nuts. Other than that, all is well, engage at will. you just said the BP is OP but your excuse is the Aim assist? that would make every single weapon that uses AA OP that is an ignorant excuse to call any weapon OP, and it is why I would rather have AA removed altogether a valid argument perhaps would be the head shot multiplier but all sidearms get a hefty head shot bonus compared to primary weapons I certainly would not say the bp is op. the AA has been toned down quiet abit. It does do quiet abit of damage but if anything this weapon needs a slightly longer charge time between shots . Trust me I can't stand this weapon, I'm constantly being shot in the back with it thank you for your input this sounds reasonable to me and it may actually be a good idea what would you say the charge time should be? and would you increase the damage to keep the dps the same or just change the charge up only? click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 455	Posted - 2015.07.26 16:56:00 - [48] - Quote Charge time already bites. How about RoF? I would be fine with a lower rate of fire. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 714	Posted - 2015.07.26 16:59:00 - [49] - Quote Devadander wrote: Charge time already bites. How about RoF? I would be fine with a lower rate of fire. charge time does affect the RoF its basically the same thing on the BP click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
tffvbhb Pile 'em Up 29	Posted - 2015.07.26 17:02:00 - [50] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Back in my day noone bothered to use the Ascr I used to use it alot more back when everyone was using shields

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.07.26 17:05:00 - [51] - Quote Why take lore race as a factor in weapon balancing? KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.26 19:17:00 - [52] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Why take lore race as a factor in weapon balancing? Well, when you don't have any numbers to back you up.... Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 989	Posted - 2015.07.26 19:22:00 - [53] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Why take lore race as a factor in weapon balancing? What's the point of it all then if it weren't for lore? If we balanced without any hint of lore at all you what this will become? You guessed it! Call of duty! Bland suits and guns with no variety! To achieve true balance everything has to be the same therefore only skill will differentiate players Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 715	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:07:00 - [54] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Why take lore race as a factor in weapon balancing? because each faction has their respective weaponry and range along with different types of engagements the lore is the baseline for what most things should be based off of to keep things in line and to have meaning in the EvE universe click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's


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