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Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 694	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:04:00 - [1] - Quote people sure do hate Caldari everything most of the nerf threads are going after the swarm launcher, the ARR, and the BP all of which have received buffs and nerfs in their own time, none of these weapons are OP but I do see why people think they are, and that's simply because the FOTM chasers or to simplify the number chasers are using the ARR the BP and the SL all because of the armor meta it is a terrible meta that discourages solo play style, it is the reason why the ScR and AScR are/were so OP and it's the same reason why people have moved to the ARR (those that weren't already) rather then using weapons that do shield damage before the ScR took a nerf it could easily destroy armor just as fast as any other rifle if not faster the reason why people seem to think everything Caldari is OP is because the range and profile that destroys the meta (being armor) instead of adapting to it people call for nerfs or buffs, and although some weapons do need them the ones being called out do not shields need an obvious buff to balance out the meta first then we can talk about balance the recent update was a sort of pseudo buff to shields as now you can stack shields mods at any level to be somewhat effective but the fact still stands that shields cannot stack as much eHP as armor suits can I have seen an oddball and that is the sniper rifle, some are saying that it needs a buff and that baffles me but I suppose these are the same people that used to camp points from over 500m away or further into the redline what I think is that after shields and armor are put in an even playing filed we can then work on balancing weapons, there are obvious weapons that need tweaks but when one weapon is balanced to fit the armor meta shields take a big blow most things Caldari have already received Nerfs in the past further nerfing them is not the answer moving shields to low slots and armor to high slots can help put things into perspective, who gains more? the only suit that would still remain somewhat the same is any Minmatar frame as they can duel tank armor suits would only gain up to about 150-200 hp while shields would gain upwards to 400+ hp not to mention that armor mods are way easier to fit then shield mods now that I've given a few examples of the current shield vs armor comparisons I hope that many of you can see that in order to know what really is OP and what is not we need to balance out the two sides also if you think the BP is OP and would like some tips of how to dominate with other sidearms to make the BP look like a peashooter here are some ScP- head shots aim for the head at all times if possible 400% damage increase, better against shields then armor Ion pistol- charge your shots and aim for the head, better against shields not sure about the head shot multiplier but the damge is somewhere near 300, side note you cant hit anything that's further then about 40m away at all so stay well within that range and carry a primary that has better range, also at very close range you can spam shots to deal a good amount of damage without having to charge up or aim SMG-does more damage to armor then to shields head shots can help at range but it shines trough when spaying n praying your target while strafing if at all possible use flux nades or prioritize armor users that have their shields down and use a primary that does shield damage such as the AR or (A)ScR flaylock-the profile makes it a whole lot better against armor then shields carry a primary that does shield damage or flux nades and finish them off with it if you can land direct hits do it but don't risk it unless you know the splash will still hit if you miss and some tips against BP users, strafe as much as possible never stay in one spot for too long unpredictable sprinting while running away or jumping to avoid head shots, ducking in and out of cover is a bad idea try to put as much pressure on them as possible while strafing and hip firing, if the opponent is a shield user the AR is recommended if the user is an armor user the ARR is recommended, speed is the key to avoiding getting hit so stay mobile and make yourself hard to hit and do not make the mistake of counting shots unless you know they aren't using an officer variant (8 shots) or duel BP (8 if not officer 12 if mixed 16 if duel officer) good luck out there mercs and mind yourself before you make another nerf/buff thread inform yourself as much as possible if you want to get into the argument so we can make this game better instead of always having a FOTM click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 524	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:13:00 - [2] - Quote Back in my day noone bothered to use the Ascr ZariaOwnsWhips
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:14:00 - [3] - Quote The bp is overpowered. The aim tracking is nuts. Other than that, all is well, engage at will. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 694	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:17:00 - [4] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Back in my day noone bothered to use the Ascr I still don't see many that do, which is weird as it is still devastating and outperforms many other rifles (saying this from personal use) click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 694	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:20:00 - [5] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: The bp is overpowered. The aim tracking is nuts. Other than that, all is well, engage at will. you just said the BP is OP but your excuse is the Aim assist? that would make every single weapon that uses AA OP that is an ignorant excuse to call any weapon OP, and it is why I would rather have AA removed altogether a valid argument perhaps would be the head shot multiplier but all sidearms get a hefty head shot bonus compared to primary weapons click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 524	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:31:00 - [6] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Back in my day noone bothered to use the Ascr I still don't see many that do, which is weird as it is still devastating and outperforms many other rifles (saying this from personal use) I saw using it a dom yesterday, fun match btw. Instead of buffing the damage by alot, I wish Ratatti would have gave it slightly more damage than the ACR but with a slightly lowered rof ZariaOwnsWhips
Aelns Dene DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:32:00 - [7] - Quote Textwallers gonna textwallate? Please add a TL:DR to your post! Addressing the issues you raise here... I actually agree with your point of view concerning the kneejerk reaction of nerfing those specific (caldari) weapons. However, I really don't think the shield meta is in such a bad place to absolutely require a priority review cycle from CCP. Your meta would greatly improve with better hit detection, less non 'server-specific' lag (for lack of a better word) and a smoother overall interaction in the game (with environment and other players). Yea... that's asking a lot from the dev team but we do need it. See you around... Aelns Dene "When you see something you don´t understand, shoot it. Ask questions later."
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:32:00 - [8] - Quote Crutchmaster flexx has spoken. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 729	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:35:00 - [9] - Quote Shield needs a SERIOUS buff. Whenever I play with my ck.0 assault, I feel like my 600HP shields are paper thin and that my 250 armor HP can handle more shots (against any kind of weapon). It's as if shields have less resistance than armor. CCP don't need to buff the HP or the regen, but the resistance of shields. And they also MUST reduce the PG/CPU cost of shield extenders that are absolutely insane. WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:59:00 - [10] - Quote "They hate us cuz they anus." Wait is that not how you say it? *Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2, Breaking For CPM2*

VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 5	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote Tl;Dr I am assuming a hefty amount of QQ? The Revanchist. Vader's Fist - Under our might, everything will burn
4lbert Wesker TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 349	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:32:00 - [12] - Quote When you fire up 10 bullets from ARR,that rifle kicks like mule on drugs after that.ARR is not OP,it's not reliable enough to be OP. WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 116	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:44:00 - [13] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Tl;Dr I am assuming a hefty amount of QQ? Why even post if you are going to be a dumbass? If you can't add anything constructive then keep you small thoughts to yourself. Posts like the above quote are just trolling kid, so stop making yourself look like an idiot. As for the OP, Agree that the meta makes the ARR good right now. Guys in armor packing AScR apparently don't like it when you shoot back. If the current suits were balanced to promote armor and shield users the ARR would just be below average. It's recoil is awful and its dps is lower than almost all of the hip fire weapons with an inconvenient effective range. As for the BP, however, that thing is broken right now. Damage is not its issue. The magic player seeking bullets are. It needs to be worked on. There is reason it is the sidearm of choice for scrubs with jump boots. Moving faster and jumping over someone makes for a lot of head shots after they run out of MD rounds.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:44:00 - [14] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: When you fire up 10 bullets from ARR,that rifle kicks like mule on drugs after that.ARR is not OP,it's not reliable enough to be OP. You can empty half a clip with no problem. People can empty full clips hitting every time. As I said before, every assault variant of rifles outside of plasma rifle should be worse in cqc than plasma rifle itself. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:57:00 - [15] - Quote The problem with the AAR is its hip fire not its ADS fire. When hip firing you can honestly hit anything up to 65m because the reticle doesn't expand. The BP just needs it AA taken away, it does more damage than a Sniper Rifle and it has AA. Believe it or not there's a reason why the SR doesn't have AA. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.25 15:23:00 - [16] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Reign Omega wrote: The bp is overpowered. The aim tracking is nuts. Other than that, all is well, engage at will. you just said the BP is OP but your excuse is the Aim assist? that would make every single weapon that uses AA OP that is an ignorant excuse to call any weapon OP, and it is why I would rather have AA removed altogether a valid argument perhaps would be the head shot multiplier but all sidearms get a hefty head shot bonus compared to primary weapons It is pretty well documented through multiple videos that the Bolt Pistol has some unnatural Kennedy Assassination aim assist going on. I myself even gave it a shot just to test it out for the first time since the weapon was introduced and it wound up being one of my go-to sidearms just because of the insane amount of magic headshots it lands. And this is a semi-reliable and consistent feature of the bolt pistol that has occurred in multiple videos of mine in which it is used. This is probably the most damning evidence and is the video that started the common thought that the bolt pistol's aim assist is absolutely broken. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 694	Posted - 2015.07.25 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: It is pretty well documented through multiple videos that the Bolt Pistol has some unnatural Kennedy Assassination aim assist going on. I myself even gave it a shot just to test it out for the first time since the weapon was introduced and it wound up being one of my go-to sidearms just because of the insane amount of magic headshots it lands. And this is a semi-reliable and consistent feature of the bolt pistol that has occurred in multiple videos of mine in which it is used. This is probably the most damning evidence and is the video that started the common thought that the bolt pistol's aim assist is absolutely broken. I would like to point out that it isn't just the bolt pistol that has these issues, you seem to be to stubborn to listen to anyone else that has a different opinion on things as has been proven in the past hit detection as I have been stating is a problem but it is not unique to the BP and should not be the defining factor on whether it is over performing or not using a KB video as evidence ruins your whole argument as he is known to have (or have had) problems with lag and many other issues even as far as going to claim that people are "cheating" and yes getting head shots is a common occurrence as it should be when aiming in the direction of someones head (or the hitbox of where the head is for that matter) your video evidence shows you getting a head shot when a logi was picking someone up hit boxes are known to be misplaced when doing certain actions such as crouching or various other tasks that are associated with certain body movement case in point the "head glitch" that is associated with many snipers I would like to give you a formal challenge so you can prove yourself wrong instead of arguing about something that you clearly will not accept, take off AA and play with the BP exclusively for 3 days record your findings and if you still believe the the BP is an ungodly piece of tech I will agree to your claims but do not try to use some excuse to get out of it such as hit detection being crap without AA as I have played extensively without it and have found that to simply not be true click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 696	Posted - 2015.07.25 16:50:00 - [18] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The problem with the AAR is its hip fire not its ADS fire. When hip firing you can honestly hit anything up to 65m because the reticle doesn't expand. The BP just needs it AA taken away, it does more damage than a Sniper Rifle and it has AA. Believe it or not there's a reason why the SR doesn't have AA. the SR does have AA to some extent if I am not mistaken I say this because it tracks targets when close enough and I believe I have seen my character move when an enemy passes by as happens with other weapons, I may be wrong tho so I will see if i can get a chance to test this as for the ARR it has the same type of kick that the RR has meaning you cant have prolonged fire at range without it kicking like a mule so you have to burst fire, compared to the AR which gets bonuses to reticle size and has linear kick that doesn't go crazy when emptying a clip, it can also be more easily used at range while hip firing due to not having to charge up or burst fire I agree with the AA being removed but I believe it should be removed entirely as it is not a unique problem of the BP it is just more noted due to the increased damage and low fire rate also saying that long range weapons should not perform well at range is a bad argument to use one last thing about rail weaponry in general due to the current armor meta there will always be more people in favor of anti shield weaponry and against anything that does armor damage I use everything and I always test things out when giving my opinion I sincerely think that the BP is not in any way OP and yes I have seen people go 20/0 with it but these people are the same people that can go 60/0 with any rifle in the game click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 696	Posted - 2015.07.25 16:52:00 - [19] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Back in my day noone bothered to use the Ascr I still don't see many that do, which is weird as it is still devastating and outperforms many other rifles (saying this from personal use) I saw using it a dom yesterday, fun match btw. Instead of buffing the damage by alot, I wish Ratatti would have gave it slightly more damage than the ACR but with a slightly lowered rof yeah I've been testing it out along with the assault ScP very fun combo I wont go into the whole balance thing with it but I do agree with what you say click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 696	Posted - 2015.07.25 16:55:00 - [20] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: When you fire up 10 bullets from ARR,that rifle kicks like mule on drugs after that.ARR is not OP,it's not reliable enough to be OP. You can empty half a clip with no problem. People can empty full clips hitting every time. As I said before, every assault variant of rifles outside of plasma rifle should be worse in cqc than plasma rifle itself. and they are if you use the AR right at first it may not seem like it but when you skill into the dispersion and Gal assault anything withing 40m can be picked off without even having to go into ADS and it makes getting head shots a whole lot easier if you have good aim, its an aim based weapon but that doesn't mean much while AA is a thing click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's

Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 699	Posted - 2015.07.25 17:01:00 - [21] - Quote Aelns Dene wrote: Textwallers gonna textwallate? Please add a TL:DR to your post! Addressing the issues you raise here... I actually agree with your point of view concerning the kneejerk reaction of nerfing those specific (caldari) weapons. However, I really don't think the shield meta is in such a bad place to absolutely require a priority review cycle from CCP. Your meta would greatly improve with better hit detection, less non 'server-specific' lag (for lack of a better word) and a smoother overall interaction in the game (with environment and other players). Yea... that's asking a lot from the dev team but we do need it. See you around... Aelns Dene concerning your first comment I do not think adding a TLDR would help at all, as it encourages lazy readers to chime in, and those are the type of people that speak before they think. which is not needed in this thread. now concerning the rest of your post I thank you for your input and I agree, but fixing shields so that they are up to par with armor would make it a lot easier to balance weapons rather then balancing weapons then trying to balance shields to all weapons. and yes It is asking a lot of the dev's which is why taking a look at armor first could help quell the whole nerf/buff mindset so they can focus on fixing those issues and yes textwallers gonna text wall you should've seen how bad it used to be when I first chimed into the forums, endless sea of letters click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.25 18:11:00 - [22] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: I would like to point out that it isn't just the bolt pistol that has these issues, you seem to be to stubborn to listen to anyone else that has a different opinion on things as has been proven in the past Well, yanno, if I'm being accused of it I might as well start with this post. EDIT: But if you feel you can present a reasonable argument without starting off with an accusation that is based largely on... nothing... I might hear what you have to say. But until then you can assume that big wall of text to have gone unread because I'm not going to play ball with someone that ***** all over the bases. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 700	Posted - 2015.07.25 18:25:00 - [23] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: I would like to point out that it isn't just the bolt pistol that has these issues, you seem to be to stubborn to listen to anyone else that has a different opinion on things as has been proven in the past Well, yanno, if I'm being accused of it I might as well start with this post. EDIT: But if you feel you can present a reasonable argument without starting off with an accusation that is based largely on... nothing... I might hear what you have to say. But until then you can assume that big wall of text to have gone unread because I'm not going to play ball with someone that ***** all over the bases. then why did you even comment? and yes you are being accused because you have shown to be someone not to trust when it comes to dealing with problems If you don't want anything to do with it then simply don't post or make comments on things that I post click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.25 18:29:00 - [24] - Quote BP = OP is a myth. I don't see it on the killfeed more often than most other guns. Yes it's annoying to get killed by it, because it can kill you suddenly, but OP? Hardly. CPM Platform
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 700	Posted - 2015.07.25 18:42:00 - [25] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: BP = OP is a myth. I don't see it on the killfeed more often than most other guns. Yes it's annoying to get killed by it, because it can kill you suddenly, but OP? Hardly. its annoying to get killed by anything especially when it is in part due to lag or AA I have yet to see a single good argument that says otherwise and the main claim still seems to be put on AA click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 427	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:28:00 - [26] - Quote I maxed CR and slapped a six kin on my calass, people are not happy. Can't wait for the nerf CR threads. Oh, and I went 21 5 0 with an elm 7 on a a-l series. Better nerf that bad boy too. Oh, and melee, I kill people with that, nerf it too. I kill people with the bolt pistol and have had AA off since they dropped it. But, we better nerf that too just in case. Oh, and those OHK on infantry from my AFG are OP, nerf. I killed some guys with a blaster installation, the installation meta is too OP, better nerf. Minmando is a murder machine with a CR and a MD, NURF. THOSE DARN AMARR AND THEIR SCRUMBLERRZ, NURF NURF... NURF.. FML.... Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:20:00 - [27] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: then why did you even comment? and yes you are being accused because you have shown to be someone not to trust when it comes to dealing with problems If you don't want anything to do with it then simply don't post or make comments on things that I post I just like aggravating people that don't know anything about me and make rampant assumptions without any evidence or factual basis. It isn't that I don't want anything to do with it; if you give me a belt and tell me that it fits, I might as well make it fit, right? It's who you want me to be, so I'll be that person for you. -Pat pat- It'll be okay, Timmy. EDIT: But in all seriousness let's look at the presentation of information here. You say Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist is perfectly fine, I counter with three videos and say that there is a large majority of the community that believe otherwise. Rather than contest this evidence, you go straight to the ad hominem and accuse me of hurp a flurb because of the disagreement gablurb a durp. You expect me to continue BSing with you after that? Go take a debate class, bro. Talos Vagheitan wrote: BP = OP is a myth. I don't see it on the killfeed more often than most other guns. Yes it's annoying to get killed by it, because it can kill you suddenly, but OP? Hardly. I have a match recorded in which 43 of the kills were with a Bolt Pistol >_>; Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 5	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:26:00 - [28] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Tl;Dr I am assuming a hefty amount of QQ? Why even post if you are going to be a dumbass? If you can't add anything constructive then keep you small thoughts to yourself. Posts like the above quote are just trolling kid, so stop making yourself look like an idiot.. You are new, and your rage towards my post is delicious. Why be an idiot? Why? Why are we General Discussions? Why do we pee whilst squatting? Why dost thou taco have thine meat and cheeseth? Why am I a manager at Ripper's Taco Shack? Why am you trying to irkle my jimmies? Why am I asking these questions? Why are younreading? You are new, you still have a hefty amount of butthurt. You need to do some squatting and let it out. The Revanchist. Vader's Fist - Under our might, everything will burn
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 439	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:32:00 - [29] - Quote Honestly, since I skilled magsec out I've been using it as my exclusive side. I shredded two mediums and a light in one mag, full dump. Point being; I use magsec because I don't feel bolt is viable, let alone OP. When I actually do use a bolt, I use a sidearm mod or two, trollfit style. I have to echo a sentiment I've read recently amongst the nerf rages. "He was going to high score with or without that pistol/rifle" Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 439	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:37:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: then why did you even comment? and yes you are being accused because you have shown to be someone not to trust when it comes to dealing with problems If you don't want anything to do with it then simply don't post or make comments on things that I post I just like aggravating people that don't know anything about me and make rampant assumptions without any evidence or factual basis. It isn't that I don't want anything to do with it; if you give me a belt and tell me that it fits, I might as well make it fit, right? It's who you want me to be, so I'll be that person for you. -Pat pat- It'll be okay, Timmy. EDIT: But in all seriousness let's look at the presentation of information here. You say Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist is perfectly fine, I counter with three videos and say that there is a large majority of the community that believe otherwise. Rather than contest this evidence, you go straight to the ad hominem and accuse me of hurp a flurb because of the disagreement gablurb a durp. You expect me to continue BSing with you after that? Go take a debate class, bro. Talos Vagheitan wrote: BP = OP is a myth. I don't see it on the killfeed more often than most other guns. Yes it's annoying to get killed by it, because it can kill you suddenly, but OP? Hardly. I have a match recorded in which 43 of the kills were with a Bolt Pistol >_>; As a caldari, I have a scout with 3x sidearm damage mods, and dual BP. In my hands its only mildly OP. At best... Hardly a zero death fit..... I run it almost never lol. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~



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