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Koldy Lyte Marven Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 104	Posted - 2015.07.23 12:45:00 - [1] - Quote What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 932	Posted - 2015.07.23 12:57:00 - [2] - Quote <.< >.> I often pee in community pools. Saying what's on people's minds
Remor de Mef Academy Inferno E-R-A 14	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:05:00 - [3] - Quote People with swarmers ruinning the game.What the heck am I supposed to do when there's some guys launching swarmsg at me and all I got Is armor much weaker than tanks's one and missile launcher? And even if I had tons of armor, they would cooperate and shoot at one moment not leaving a chance of survival to me. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his swarm launcher. Get one ADS and pilot it, you'll understand what I mean. Dust don't gives you opportunity to be Chuck Norris destroying enemies alone in blink of eye. If you can't destroy dropship, cooperate with other players. Dropships are very vulnerable and expensive, so they're not ruining anything
Private Part's sticky green's 33	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:09:00 - [4] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:25:00 - [5] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher Sleek av grenades? Can throw them pretty high actually 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
Beld Errmon 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:26:00 - [6] - Quote heh the ADS isn't your problem, its the fact your team has broken to the point that one can stay in the air longer than 2 mins. I exclusively fly them, I lose 2 anytime i'm up against an even halfway competent team, only time I don't lose ships is when i'm being super cautious (almost never i'm here to have fun not worry about my isk balance) or when a team doesn't seem to know what AV can do to dropships. Assault Dropship Pilot Semi-Retired Closed Bittervet
4lbert Wesker TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 338	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:30:00 - [7] - Quote That's why i have calmando.RR + swarms and i am not afraid of any armor. WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:49:00 - [8] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? You run?
Boll Spirit Iberica Racing Team 67	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:49:00 - [9] - Quote Dropships are not ruinning this game , in fact ads needs a serious buff . You-¦d better skill swarm launchers in a commando suit ( preferible minmatar ) , and you-¦ll see how the ads will not disturb you , and if you got some help from your squad mates , you probably will shoot down the ads . Are you playing solo ?
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 315	Posted - 2015.07.23 13:57:00 - [10] - Quote Remor de Mef wrote: People with swarmers ruinning the game.What the heck am I supposed to do when there's some guys launching swarmsg at me and all I got Is armor much weaker than tanks's one and missile launcher? And even if I had tons of armor, they would cooperate and shoot at one moment not leaving a chance of survival to me. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his swarm launcher. Get one ADS and pilot it, you'll understand what I mean. Dust don't gives you opportunity to be Chuck Norris destroying enemies alone in blink of eye. If you can't destroy dropship, cooperate with other players. Dropships are very vulnerable and expensive, so they're not ruining anything P.S. I mean assault dropships I totally agree. This anti ADS guy is insane. Rail snipers are stupid, but you can't fix stupid. I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. There isn't really tiering in the ADS but fully loaded with middle of the road they are what 300k. Plus you will lose them less. Yeah, cost stopped being an issue a while ago. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?

Mikel Arias Challengers 506 153	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:02:00 - [11] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher Team work, seriously. If a friend and I attack a dropship at the same time we are almost sure that we will destroy it. With tanks its a bit harder, but we still get them a lot. Also, what really ruins the game its when people dont fight back. Gallente Factional Warfare is the perfect example at the moment.
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:05:00 - [12] - Quote I'll kill more people on your team in my Cal assualt then in my ADS... But since ADS are more fun and Dogfights are somewhat entertaining, I'll keep doing what I do second best. *Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2, Breaking For CPM2*
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:17:00 - [13] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** *** comes and kills with his missile launcher Man, I hate when full proto squads camp the objective? How am I suppose to take the objective when it's heavily defended? It's so frustrating you're trying to win and they just won't let you! troll**.
jace silencerww MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 184	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:17:00 - [14] - Quote ADS has a lower slot layout than the militia dropships. shields ads has 3 highs 1 low and armor ads have 1 high 3 low. the militia have 3 & 2 while a normal dropship has 2 & 4 with almost same CPU/PG and a lot more ehp. here just look. ads/ normal dropship shield version- 1548/2520 shields, 960/1265 armor -normal dropship has 972 more shield & 305 more armor plus 2 more slots armor version- 900 /200 shields. 2362/3425 armor -normal dropship has 300 more shield & 1063 more armor & 2 more slots. I can drop most ads with my Minnie commando with a proto swarm in 3 shots. if they have hardners on it takes 5-6 swarms but still easy prey. though the best way is to have a squad mate with you with a swarm launcher and tag team it.
jonny battles Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 74	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:27:00 - [15] - Quote Is somebody really complaining about ads? Facepalm It was just that easy
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:30:00 - [16] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. There isn't really tiering in the ADS but fully loaded with middle of the road they are what 300k. Plus you will lose them less. Yeah, cost stopped being an issue a while ago. I'm sorry, but please never talk about ISK cost ever again. Let's actually compare: ADS hull: 200k 4 ADV modules: 50k, roughly 1 ADV turret: 30k, roughly = roughly 280k ADV suit: 8k 8 ADV modules: 20k, roughly 1 ADV light weapon: 20k, roughly 4 ADV equipment: 30k, roughly = roughly 78k Now, that's a Logi. Assaults, Commandos, Sentinels and Scouts are all significantly less expensive. Point being, however, that roughly equivalent gear is not even close in cost. Now consider that the ADS hull is actually only STD (200k vs Dropsuit 3k). I hate idiots talking about things they don't understand... Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:39:00 - [17] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher What? Dropships aren't a problem today sonny, back in my day they could just sit there all day firing at you like the Madrugars can today, but now you can chase them off with a dirty look. Because, that's why.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 739	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:51:00 - [18] - Quote That rock dun smashed ma scissors ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Duke Noobiam Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 506	Posted - 2015.07.23 14:55:00 - [19] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher TS, Dedicate a bit of SP to build an AV suit. If you mostly run solo, one of the Commando suits with Swarms or Plasma Canon is the best option as you will be able to have an AV weapon with and a light weapon to fight off infantry. Heavy + Forge is very good as AV, but it is not as efficient against infantry unless you have a sidearm you are efficient with.
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 466	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:02:00 - [20] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher Team work, seriously. If a friend and I attack a dropship at the same time we are almost sure that we will destroy it. With tanks its a bit harder, but we still get them a lot. Also, what really ruins the game its when people dont fight back. Gallente Factional Warfare is the perfect example at the moment. Min FW could also be a somewhat perfect example... The amarr are making a said "Comeback" but these duct tape wearing new Min nubs still are thinking "Oh hey Min always win let's go do Min fw!" and while they're thinking that then they run free suits... We need to go get some duct tape Min slave riots Q-Syncs going... Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ

Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 45	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:08:00 - [21] - Quote dot dot dot Are you new? Did you have a squad? Was your team doing anything productive? Were you camping on high ground or in an open area? There is nothing bad about dropships. In fact, as someone has stated on this post, they need a buff. If you really want to combat them, get a forge gun if your swarms aren't doing you any justice. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:14:00 - [22] - Quote I hear RDVs are excellent AV, and there's this mystical place called "indoors" that seems to counter them quite well too
SLENDER M4N Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 815	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:42:00 - [23] - Quote Oh man, you should have been here when ADS were soo good. Expensive, Yes. Powerful, Yes. I had to use a damn breach forgegun just to do some decent damage. Get ready Jadek. Mrs. Menahiem is waiting!
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 958	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:46:00 - [24] - Quote What the heck am I supposed to do when most areas that infantry are concerned with are under cover and inside buildings? MY CPM2 PLATFORM
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.07.23 17:50:00 - [25] - Quote SLENDER M4N wrote: Oh man, you should have been here when ADS were soo good. Expensive, Yes. Powerful, Yes. I had to use a damn breach forgegun just to do some decent damage. All I want are the glory days when DS took no impact damage, so I can go back to being Gods Boot Ahhhh, good times...gooooooood tiiiiimmmmmeeeeessss
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 961	Posted - 2015.07.23 17:55:00 - [26] - Quote Haha A Aha ahahaha hahaha. Seriously? Get a time machine, go back four years, then write this message. This has always been an issue. You gotta get creative, if you wanna survive in New Eden Shields, the silent killer.
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.07.23 18:01:00 - [27] - Quote I always wonder what people who whine about this want. It can only be one of two things given the common argument: No vehicles in DUST or Rifles that do AV damage
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 120	Posted - 2015.07.23 18:25:00 - [28] - Quote For survivability vs cost Vehicles out perform drop suits at the higher levels. The real problem with Vehicles is the basic and advanced levels are so weak any kind of AV blow them up like tin cans. You can be rather effective with a starter drop suit but unless you have a lot of skills into vehicles already the standard fit of most tanks and drop suits will blow up in seconds of any kind of AV being directed at it. AV wise it's pretty fair (except maybe AV grenades being a little too strong at proto level in comparison with armor/shield levels on vehicles now) until you come up against Proto fitted tanks and drop ships. The AV fits are not cheap, extremely vulnerable to infantry and more than likely be shot down within seconds by the vehicle they are trying to kill. Even if you manage to get the drop on the vehicle it takes too many shots to kill them, to the point where they can turn around and kill you or just drive/fly off and leave you hanging. People say teamwork is the answer, and yeah sure 2-3 people working together can take out most proto tanks/DS before they run away. But the problem imo is you can be a darn effective DS or tank user with no co-pilots/gunners. That weighs the team in favor of vehicle users to a high degree. Merely taking out the vehicle waste several players on the AV side while only one guy has to be driving the vehicle. Never mind you might be chasing the guy around the map if he's determined to run at the first sign of trouble. People like to throw the cost of vehicle's in your face but if you think about all the people who die trying to kill them it's obviously more than even. Three good proto AV fits more than likely equals ore exceeds the cost of the tank. Never mind they most likely are going to die unless standing near a supply depot once the vehicle is dead in addition to any deaths in the attempt to kill the vehicle. Given blasters cut down infantry in seconds and the range of a large blaster turret is equal to most forms of AV or better you get some messy situations for the AV.
Union118 GamersForChrist 600	Posted - 2015.07.23 18:31:00 - [29] - Quote Campers gunna camp and haters gunna hate. But remember dusters are gunna dust. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 18:34:00 - [30] - Quote Commandos are fantastic this time of year. Skill one of those bad boys up and watch your ADS problems disappear! CPM 2 Candidate YouTube Channel

Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 589	Posted - 2015.07.23 18:42:00 - [31] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. There isn't really tiering in the ADS but fully loaded with middle of the road they are what 300k. An Incubus hull is 200,000. My most survivable fit is 316,000. That includes a basic hardener and basic afterburner, and 4327 of eHP. Only complex equipment is the turret and the armor repper. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2015.07.24 01:43:00 - [32] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? And even if I had swarms, he would go too high for me to shoot him and he can recover his hp so fast. It's just frustrating when your there, playing a good game then a ***** ***** comes and kills with his missile launcher 1. Ignore it/evade/hide until it's somewhere else 2. Try the PLC instead of swarms, unless you've put a LOT of SP into swarms...Most DS pilots know how to quickly put obstacles or terrain between themselves and the swarms... 3. Get a vehicle of your own 4. Get a squad and work together 5. Find one of the rail/missile installations on the map and wait for the DS pilot to get careless While I agree the balance of vehicle warfare is way off kilter, they really aren't that bad...
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 355	Posted - 2015.07.24 02:09:00 - [33] - Quote Dropships aren't really much of a problem. They're really easy to keep at bay, even without Swarms. One shot from any AV weapon will generally send them scurrying. The problem isn't dropships doing their jobs. The problem is redliners, both tankers and snipers. It's one thing to peg a dropship or tank actually partaking in battle and send them running for cover. It's another entirely to be haunting the redlines with a rail tank and ducking behind a hill when someone so much as looks at you. That's bull **** right there and takes all the fun out of matches. I was in a match against three redline rail tankers a few weeks ago. I literally could not play the game because I had to spend all my time on my forge gun keeping them from taking out my team. I ended the match with about 500 WP from 'damaging' their tanks and didn't get to do anything in the match at all but focus on them, while the three of them all went upwards of 800 and got a healthy padding to their KD/R. We only just barely won and probably would have lost if those tanks had been allowed to keep being fucktards. I want a close match because everyone is trying their damnedest. Not because people on the other team have squadded up specifically to be pussies and KD/R pad.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 5	Posted - 2015.07.24 02:17:00 - [34] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. R U avin a giggle there m8? My PROTO fits only cost around 150K. Assault Dropships are not only very expensive, but they also get destroyed far more easily than any Dropsuit. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog The PLC saved my soul
Koldy Lyte Marven Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2015.07.24 02:25:00 - [35] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: What the heck am I supposed to do when there's a guy in his Pythons shooting at me and all I got I a AR? You run? As if I don't move. I'm not complaining about ADS being OP or whatever, I mean, you must skill a lot to get it and that's what I like about dust, there are thousands ways to fit you gear. What I'm complaining about is when people get a ADS or a tank and just camp where most of you team is, getting easy kills. And is even more annoying when you get killed more that once by the same guy. And it's not that easy to destroy a ADS
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 122	Posted - 2015.07.24 02:33:00 - [36] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. R U avin a giggle there m8? My PROTO fits only cost around 150K. Assault Dropships are not only very expensive, but they also get destroyed far more easily than any Dropsuit. Nah I'd argue dropsuits are the easiest to die. Tons of weapons one shot you, scouts with knives, shotguns etc sneak up on you. Thale snipers are a dime a dozen from 400+ meters away. Remotes from all the free serpent scout apex's. you just about always have a chance to run away in an ADS and the missile turrets at least one shot most things that you hit. Given the range of most AV weapons you really put the ball in your court when it comes to engagement. AV might keep you from doing much good in terms of killing people but your own survival causes the enemy team to waste time trying to kill you which is almost as good. Honestly I think the biggest threat to DS is yourself. Not only over committing to something and getting taken down by AV but crashing into buildings and such that make you kill yourself.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 5	Posted - 2015.07.24 03:10:00 - [37] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. R U avin a giggle there m8? My PROTO fits only cost around 150K. Assault Dropships are not only very expensive, but they also get destroyed far more easily than any Dropsuit. Nah I'd argue dropsuits are the easiest to die. Tons of weapons one shot you, scouts with knives, shotguns etc sneak up on you. Thale snipers are a dime a dozen from 400+ meters away. Remotes from all the free serpent scout apex's. you just about always have a chance to run away in an ADS and the missile turrets at least one shot most things that you hit. Given the range of most AV weapons you really put the ball in your court when it comes to engagement. AV might keep you from doing much good in terms of killing people but your own survival causes the enemy team to waste time trying to kill you which is almost as good. Honestly I think the biggest threat to DS is yourself. Not only over committing to something and getting taken down by AV but crashing into buildings and such that make you kill yourself. You've clearly never piloted an ADS. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog The PLC saved my soul
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.24 04:29:00 - [38] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I just want you to never mention vehicles being expensive. They cost just a little more roughly the same as a suit of the same meta. A full advanced load out logi or commando is easily in the 200k. There isn't really tiering in the ADS but fully loaded with middle of the road they are what 300k. I'm sorry but I can't hear you over the sound of my 1.143 Million ISK per deployment HAV...... Prototype Dropsuits do not even come close. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.


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