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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:32:00 -
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Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé |
Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:34:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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MidgetWithWings SupahFly
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:37:00 -
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You must have been using LMAOBox, get good, get LMAOBox. |
Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:39:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know.
I didn't even aim !!!!!!!!!!! I'm so hyped right now for this gun ! I've been killed by ut so many dn times but oooohhh myyy God !!!!! The Auto Aim is ... There's no word to describe the badassness for it ! |
Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:40:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know. I didn't even aim !!!!!!!!!!! I'm so hyped right now for this gun ! I've been killed by ut so many dn times but oooohhh myyy God !!!!! The Auto Aim is ... There's no word to describe the badassness for it ! Don't they have extra special aim adhesion or something.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:40:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know. I didn't even aim !!!!!!!!!!! I'm so hyped right now for this gun ! I've been killed by ut so many dn times but oooohhh myyy God !!!!! The Auto Aim is ... There's no word to describe the badassness for it ! Don't they have extra special aim adhesion or something.
Hell Yeah !! |
Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:40:00 -
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Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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JIMvc2
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:42:00 -
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Nah you are just lucky. My Ion Pistol will take care of you >:)
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:43:00 -
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So they're trying to balance a gun that aims differently than any other gun? Not only aims differently, but doesn't need to be aimed?
That's the kind of stupidity that can only come from CCP.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:44:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. Cause is always how you weight things.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
219
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:49:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum.
That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. |
JIMvc2
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:52:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You really can't say "every dust merc uses the bolt pistol." The correct way is some or many but never say every = it sounds invalid.
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
219
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:57:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You really can't say "every dust merc uses the bolt pistol." The correct way is some or many but never say every = it sounds invalid.
If I had said merc you would be correct, however I said tryhard scrub.. Like you |
Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:57:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You really can't say "every dust merc uses the bolt pistol." The correct way is some or many but never say every = it sounds invalid. He didn't say "every dust merc uses the bolt pistol". He said "every tryhard scrub in dust is using it".
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:02:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You're kidding me right? We dealt with the bolt pistol back in hotfix delta which is almost a whole year ago. There has been plenty of time to get on the bandwagon. In fact, the bolt pistol was nerfed in hotfix delta. And everyone using it? When the data shows the SMG and its variants completely outselling it at over a 2:1 ratio?
And you're going to call ME misleading?
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:06:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know. I didn't even aim !!!!!!!!!!! I'm so hyped right now for this gun ! I've been killed by ut so many dn times but oooohhh myyy God !!!!! The Auto Aim is ... There's no word to describe the badassness for it !
There are words to describe the auto-aim... and those words are "Exactly the same as other pistols". King Thunderbolt looked it up on the static data export.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:07:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know. I didn't even aim !!!!!!!!!!! I'm so hyped right now for this gun ! I've been killed by ut so many dn times but oooohhh myyy God !!!!! The Auto Aim is ... There's no word to describe the badassness for it ! There are words to describe the auto-aim... and those words are "Exactly the same as other pistols". King Thunderbolt looked it up on the static data export. KingThunderbolt
And there goes that statements credibility.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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JIMvc2
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:09:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You really can't say "every dust merc uses the bolt pistol." The correct way is some or many but never say every = it sounds invalid. He didn't say "every dust merc uses the bolt pistol". He said "every tryhard scrub in dust is using it".
I decided to write it that way because I'm sick and tired of players using tryhard scrub <.<...
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:11:00 -
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Z3dog wrote: KingThunderbolt
And there goes that statements credibility.
Yeah, it's a shame that facts and numbers are so inconsistent and unreliable... oh wait.
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:15:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You're kidding me right? We dealt with the bolt pistol back in hotfix delta which is almost a whole year ago. There has been plenty of time to get on the bandwagon. In fact, the bolt pistol was nerfed in hotfix delta. And everyone using it? When the data shows the SMG and its variants completely outselling it at almost a 2:1 ratio?And you're going to call ME misleading?
Yes I am..here's why.. The bolt is op and everyone knows it.. So digging up some old stats that may or may not be skewed, is just some bolt user trying to keep the EZ button
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jane stalin
free dropships for newbs
369
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:17:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know.
A good trick , but a better trick is to aim where the feet were last tuesday, for extra tears make sure the reds see you do something really stupid so they know you are a crutch using scrub. |
Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:19:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Z3dog wrote: KingThunderbolt
And there goes that statements credibility.
Yeah, it's a shame that facts and numbers are so inconsistent and unreliable... oh wait. "Facts" =/= Opinions Care to provide some evidence to your claim other than that you heard it from one of the most hilariously pitiful players in the game?
"Numbers" inconsistent and unreliable is exactly how many people use them.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:35:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Z3dog wrote: KingThunderbolt
And there goes that statements credibility.
Yeah, it's a shame that facts and numbers are so inconsistent and unreliable... oh wait. "Facts" =/= Opinions Care to provide some evidence to your claim other than that you heard it from one of the most hilariously pitiful players in the game? "Numbers" inconsistent and unreliable is exactly how many people use them. Sorry, I got confused with names, I meant thundergroove, not KTB.
This means I'll have to do some additional looking, but there was a copy of the SDE posted both to dust forums and to reddit a while back by thundergroove. Thundergroove also provided that pistols all have the same aim adhesion stats in a previous discussion about pistols.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=189713 is the warlords 1.0 SDE he generated, and nothing about pistols has changed since then.
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:45:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Z3dog wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Z3dog wrote: KingThunderbolt
And there goes that statements credibility.
Yeah, it's a shame that facts and numbers are so inconsistent and unreliable... oh wait. "Facts" =/= Opinions Care to provide some evidence to your claim other than that you heard it from one of the most hilariously pitiful players in the game? "Numbers" inconsistent and unreliable is exactly how many people use them. Sorry, I got confused with names, I meant thundergroove, not KTB. This means I'll have to do some additional looking, but there was a copy of the SDE posted both to dust forums and to reddit a while back by thundergroove. Thundergroove also provided that pistols all have the same aim adhesion stats in a previous discussion about pistols. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=189713 is the warlords 1.0 SDE he generated, and nothing about pistols has changed since then. Now I'm much more inclined to believe you.
But does this mean the bolt pistol isn't broken? Or that all pistols are broken?
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:48:00 -
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Found all the pistol entries
http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363592 http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363578 http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/352499
Now just to locate the individual 'aim assist' function for them. which is bleeeeegh work.
But really what this means is that all pistols (excepting the flaylock as it is not a hitscan weapon) have slightly higher aim adhesion (if they do in fact have higher aim adhesion at all) because they're pistols.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:52:00 -
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Just fix the hip fire aim on it and add recoil to the ADS. Although I preferred when it had less damage and more bullets.
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:54:00 -
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Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. |
Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:57:00 -
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^Do you have a position that is based in reason and evidence? Or one that's based in bias and logical fallacies? Are you genuinely knowledgeable about this subject and can you demonstrate it or are you just saying crap that can't be proven?
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:02:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon.
Yep its dumb. I know.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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sir RAVEN WING
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:03:00 -
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Bullshit.
If we went by one person's experience, we'd have nerfed everything.
Please don't tell me this will be a 'Calscout Hitbox Broken' type thing?
I'll be in the dark corner, sharpening my knives.
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:05:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:^Do you have a position that is based in reason and evidence? Or one that's based in bias and logical fallacies? Are you genuinely knowledgeable about this subject and can you demonstrate it or are you just saying crap that can't be proven?
Are you witch-hunting? Or are you suffering from the dunning-krueger effect? Or is there some other fallacy that you're relying upon to prop up your belief that the bolt-pistol is totally OP and has 'like a billion times stronger aim adhesion, I mean I totally shot one from my redline facing at my mcc and it headshotted someone 400m away in their redline... then ****ed their mom!'. Uh oh. Somebody is projecting.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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sir RAVEN WING
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:09:00 -
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Can I say something similar?
NERF THE ION PISTOL.
Back when Heavies with HMGs were OP as ****, I killed a prototype Amarr Sent with a Ion Pistol.
I was using only an Ion Pistol that whole match (Militia) and I went 23/4.
Never aimed.
So, do we nerf that?
I'll be in the dark corner, sharpening my knives.
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:14:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:^Do you have a position that is based in reason and evidence? Or one that's based in bias and logical fallacies? Are you genuinely knowledgeable about this subject and can you demonstrate it or are you just saying crap that can't be proven?
Are you witch-hunting? Or are you suffering from the dunning-krueger effect? Or is there some other fallacy that you're relying upon to prop up your belief that the bolt-pistol is totally OP and has 'like a billion times stronger aim adhesion, I mean I totally shot one from my redline facing at my mcc and it headshotted someone 400m away in their redline... then ****ed their mom!'.
Rely on labels much? Hyperbole? Ur out of ur depth.. Try responding to the facts |
Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:17:00 -
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Lol calm down guys. You all know me and the Last thing I'd use is a crutch but this gun that was soely designed by these Devs ! Like Rattati is broken. The AA is godly. |
Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:18:00 -
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Bolt pistol is a little weird... The aim assist on it is a little powerful and there are some definite Kennedy Bullet headshots at times. The stats on it would probably be fine if it weren't for the wanted-style bullet curving when the round made a clear and distinctive miss. I think that owes to it's popularity, right now.
I've done some pretty crazy stuff with the Ion Pistol as well but it is a lot less reliable, IMO, especially when aiming down the sight and using a full charge. Doing that seems to make the round go into another plane of existence
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:20:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon. Yep its dumb. I know.
Yet another reason hes not fit to be making those calls.. This assumes that everyone who plays dust only use weps that they think are OP...
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:24:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote: Try responding to the facts
I'll respond to facts when you present some.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:56:00 -
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I think if this gun were to be nerfed it would be best to either increase the charge-up time to 1 full second or lower the range.
I would prefer to lower the range because usually when I die from a bolt pistol the person using it isn't in CQC with me. The bolt pistol should act like a very powerful CQC pistol with decent results at just under mid-range whereas right now I feel like it operates more like a very powerful "sniper pistol".
The Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol deals more damage than the Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle and that doesn't seem right to me, especially since a person can utilize auto-aim with the Bolt Pistol. |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 05:12:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:I think if this gun were to be nerfed it would be best to either increase the charge-up time to 1 full second or lower the range.
I would prefer to lower the range because usually when I die from a bolt pistol the person using it isn't in CQC with me. The bolt pistol should act like a very powerful CQC pistol with decent results at just under mid-range whereas right now I feel like it operates more like a very powerful "sniper pistol".
The Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol deals more damage than the Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle and that doesn't seem right to me, especially since a person can utilize auto-aim with the Bolt Pistol.
240ish dps sidearm? Not worth using.
Your idea of 'balance' isn't.
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.07.19 05:19:00 -
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Just went 28/7 With Adv Bolt Pistol !!! WTF !!! :00 |
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SLENDER M4N
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.19 06:04:00 -
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This topic is very....interesting.
Get ready Jadek. Mrs. Menahiem is waiting!
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
529
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Posted - 2015.07.19 06:14:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Can I say something similar?
NERF THE ION PISTOL.
Back when Heavies with HMGs were OP as ****, I killed a prototype Amarr Sent with a Ion Pistol.
I was using only an Ion Pistol that whole match (Militia) and I went 23/4.
Never aimed.
So, do we nerf that?
Don't you drag the Ion Pistol into this. |
Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2015.07.19 06:37:00 -
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If you miss... it will let you die.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
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Smoky The Bear wrote:Z3dog wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon. Yep its dumb. I know. Yet another reason hes not fit to be making those calls.. This assumes that everyone who plays dust only use weps that they think are OP... Yep its dumb. I know.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
165
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Posted - 2015.07.19 19:32:00 -
[45] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just went 28/7 With Adv Bolt Pistol !!! WTF !!! :00 Start saving screens.
Upload them to imgur.
Do these matches over and over again till you've got 20 or 30.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Cesar Geronimo
DUST University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2015.07.19 19:45:00 -
[46] - Quote
Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum.
Which of course means nothing since SMGs have been around from the start, but nice try protecting your skill cannon... The true measure is how often you see it from the FOTM chasers and tryhards -- And it is getting really nubby in that regard...
And spare me the "Space Magnum" silliness, because no sidearm should be outdueling my ADV Burst AR at 70m, which is exactly what happened last night (and no, I did not miss a single burst)...A sidearm dealing 1088 HP in damage from that distance with just three rounds is a travesty...
So either give it less range to about 50m, or make the ROF 50% slower... |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
531
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Posted - 2015.07.19 20:02:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Summa Militum wrote:I think if this gun were to be nerfed it would be best to either increase the charge-up time to 1 full second or lower the range.
I would prefer to lower the range because usually when I die from a bolt pistol the person using it isn't in CQC with me. The bolt pistol should act like a very powerful CQC pistol with decent results at just under mid-range whereas right now I feel like it operates more like a very powerful "sniper pistol".
The Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol deals more damage than the Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle and that doesn't seem right to me, especially since a person can utilize auto-aim with the Bolt Pistol. 240ish dps sidearm? Not worth using. Your idea of 'balance' isn't.
Increasing charge-up time to 1 second would give people the opportunity to break away from auto-aim. Auto-aim currently will only track a target for a small amount of time but that small amount of time happens to be enough for a bolt pistol to lock on to a target and fire a headshot.
I also stated that my preference was to have the range of the weapon decreased. |
Genral69 death
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
511
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Posted - 2015.07.19 23:16:00 -
[48] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Stop ling you scrub
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
682
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Posted - 2015.07.19 23:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
Genral69 death wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Stop ling you scrub
I did it in Jadeks Raid in NF. This is my alt posting. My main in in NF. Scrub. |
Got That Dodi
RestlessSpirits
51
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Posted - 2015.07.19 23:29:00 -
[50] - Quote
Genral69 death wrote: Stop ling
Lol. Apoc, you know better than to be caught ling. |
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.07.19 23:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
Look! I hold R1 and I kill people!! Nerf R1 or my finger?
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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maybe deadcatz
the nomercs
365
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:01:00 -
[52] - Quote
MidgetWithWings SupahFly wrote:You must have been using LMAOBox, get good, get LMAOBox.
This aint tf2 buddy
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
684
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:50:00 -
[53] - Quote
Got That Dodi wrote:Genral69 death wrote: Stop ling
Lol. Apoc, you know better than to be caught ling.
Lol didn't catch that !!!! |
501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:57:00 -
[54] - Quote
....
I don't think this is as big an issue as people are making it out to be, but I guess my bro and I will find out soon enough
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
687
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Posted - 2015.07.20 07:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
501st Headstrong wrote:....
I don't think this is as big an issue as people are making it out to be, but I guess my bro and I will find out soon enough
Use it !
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.20 08:02:00 -
[56] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Genral69 death wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Stop ling you scrub I did it in Jadeks Raid in NF. This is my alt posting. My main in in NF. Scrub. Because going 10/0 an assault by randoms on STD/APEX BPOs in a NF premade with any weapon is totally hard...
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens RUST415
219
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Posted - 2015.07.20 11:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
i want a bolt pistol that shoots out laser orbitals, i'll call it 'candy'
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KingA2thur
75
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:24:00 -
[58] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé
That is the magic of aim assist. Turn aim assist on and you hit everything and everybody F*cking aim assist.....
To get trolled press any key.
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
512
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
Well considering that I missed 3 out of 4 shots hip firing . The aim assist was nurfed awhile back, I think its fine as it is, as it requires skill not shear luck
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:47:00 -
[60] - Quote
I don't think aim assist is the issue here, it's bullet magnetism.
AA is what moves your reticule for you when an enemy moves in front of it and helps you "stick" to the target.
Bullet magnetism is what makes the game say, "meh, close enough, I know you were aiming off to the side of his shoulder, but I'll just call it a headshot."
I think the AA is on par with most everything else, it doesn't really "stick" any harder than any other weapon. But its bullet magnetism is off the charts. That's what makes the weapon so forgiving in that you can just aim near the guy and rock them with nearly every shot.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
391
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Posted - 2015.07.20 15:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
I have never felt the bullet magnetism.
I also have had AA off since forever.
Maybe why the bolt often lets me down, but idc.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
895
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Posted - 2015.07.20 15:30:00 -
[62] - Quote
Z3dog wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon. Yep its dumb. I know.
He has never said this. I do recall him saying that large numbers of people flocking to a weapon or dropsuit is a sign of potential imbalance, and might cause some investigation, but he has never said that usage rates alone is what the game is balanced on.
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
236
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:32:00 -
[63] - Quote
Anyone defending this wep still is STUPID, or just trying to keep the pocket sniper button.. Period |
Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
689
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
Smoky The Bear wrote:Anyone defending this wep still is STUPID, or just trying to keep the pocket sniper button.. Period
Sorry for killing you yesterday Smokey. I'm trying to prove a point With this gun
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
238
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:44:00 -
[65] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Anyone defending this wep still is STUPID, or just trying to keep the pocket sniper button.. Period Sorry for killing you yesterday Smokey. I'm trying to prove a point With this gun
And prove it you did.. 27 one shot one kills.. I retract my hatemail too, which I rarely take part in.. Didn't realize that it was you who made this thread at the time.. |
Genral69 death
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
515
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:45:00 -
[66] - Quote
Smoky The Bear wrote:Anyone defending this wep still is STUPID, or just trying to keep the pocket sniper button.. Period Pocket sniper lol, they buffed the crap out of its range, anything beyond 60meters does nothing
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
689
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:45:00 -
[67] - Quote
Smoky The Bear wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Anyone defending this wep still is STUPID, or just trying to keep the pocket sniper button.. Period Sorry for killing you yesterday Smokey. I'm trying to prove a point With this gun And prove it you did.. 27 one shot one kills.. I retract my hatemail too, which I rarely take part in.. Didn't realize that it was you who made this thread at the time..
o7 This gun needs fixing.
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
690
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Posted - 2015.07.20 22:13:00 -
[68] - Quote
A game I just did
http://imgur.com/TrVX44k
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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CarlitoX Jojooojo
333
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Posted - 2015.07.20 22:54:00 -
[69] - Quote
BP and this **** post can suck my juicy balls.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 22:58:00 -
[70] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Needs more headshotz
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
515
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Posted - 2015.07.20 23:31:00 -
[71] - Quote
CarlitoX Jojooojo wrote:BP and this **** post can suck my juicy balls. Tempting XD
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2015.07.21 05:03:00 -
[72] - Quote
Bump
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.07.21 06:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
Mina Longstrike wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Z3dog wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Did you aim at their feet for the headshots? That's the trick you know. I didn't even aim !!!!!!!!!!! I'm so hyped right now for this gun ! I've been killed by ut so many dn times but oooohhh myyy God !!!!! The Auto Aim is ... There's no word to describe the badassness for it ! There are words to describe the auto-aim... and those words are "Exactly the same as other pistols". King Thunderbolt Thundergroove looked it up on the static data export. Edit: I had people confused. I do that sometimes. Z3dog wrote:Don't they have extra special aim adhesion or something. Nope. All pistols have the same aim adhesion. The belief that they do is as much of a perceptional bias as 'calscouts have broken hitboxes' (something that was confirmed to be untrue by rattati himself!).
The second was true, but fixed... so yeah, rattati said cal scouts hit boxes weren't broken.... that kool-aid though lol!
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.07.21 06:24:00 -
[74] - Quote
Sniper rifles are less dangerous at ranges where they are totally uncontested for extended periods of time.....
The bolt pistol kills in range of actual rifles often out dpsing them....
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
697
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Posted - 2015.07.21 19:27:00 -
[75] - Quote
Did this in my first match today.
http://m.imgur.com/hZAqJ86
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
916
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Posted - 2015.07.23 00:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:
Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:
Ill just leave this here...
This is with lag, with my team giving up quarter of the way through due to high ground camping
Clearly by your impeccably scientific standards the ion pistol needs to be nerfed into the ground too. |
tffvbhb
Pile 'em Up
24
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Posted - 2015.07.23 01:47:00 -
[77] - Quote
Alena Ventrallis wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You're kidding me right? We dealt with the bolt pistol back in hotfix delta which is almost a whole year ago. There has been plenty of time to get on the bandwagon. In fact, the bolt pistol was nerfed in hotfix delta. And everyone using it? When the data shows the SMG and its variants completely outselling it at almost a 2:1 ratio?And you're going to call ME misleading? You can't use how well something sells as proof to a point for all you know someone bought 100k of them just to throw that off |
Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo
251
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Posted - 2015.07.23 01:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
tffvbhb wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. That's just plain misleading.. The rise of the bolt is a recent ish thing.. Takes time for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.. And those stats must be old or over life of dust... Because the SMG is pretty useless and has been for about 6 months since its huge Nerf.. As a SMG user I feel that the Nerf wasnt the main reason though.. It's hit detection and I started noticing that after the patch.. Bottom line the bolt pwns the SMG and is the stupid est freaking wep in dust.. There's a reason every tryhard scrub in dust is using it.. You're kidding me right? We dealt with the bolt pistol back in hotfix delta which is almost a whole year ago. There has been plenty of time to get on the bandwagon. In fact, the bolt pistol was nerfed in hotfix delta. And everyone using it? When the data shows the SMG and its variants completely outselling it at almost a 2:1 ratio?And you're going to call ME misleading? You can't use how well something sells as proof to a point for all you know someone bought 100k of them just to throw that off
1.Tryhard scrubs don't understand what it means to have standards, so they cant understand that some of us REFUSE to follow the herd just so we can get some easy kills.....
2. You ever think the reason people have purchased this gun so much was that's its a fully auto sidearm? And they thought it must be better than a mere pistol? |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2015.07.23 04:05:00 -
[79] - Quote
I'm just going to say it....
Anyone who thinks the BP is not broken either uses it as a crutch or does not play this game. Mind you, it is not on the level of scrambler rifles, but it is still broken. I tried it for the first time last week, it hits way too easy and does super DPS. I've been one and two hit killed by this gun numerous times, and the jump scrubs pack it as a sidearm for a reason. Don't have a clue why guys want to argue over it and the few other weapons that are out of line right now. That is unless they are the try hard scrub needing crutches. The game has devolved into that anyway, because sadly most of the guys I see using the BP belong to larger corps these days. The thing is arguing against it is not going to make these posts go away. When an item needs nerfing the community consensus is usually right. Hard to argue when there are 10 posts a week to nerf the BP, Scramblers, AHMG, Madruggars. Those posts are legitimate players aggregating their shared experience together. So again, please stop being fan boy scrubs for your favorite toys when they are out of line and help make a better game by advocating balance. Strategy/teamwork should be the focus and key to success in this game. Not K/D whoring with the FOTM items. So, please stop BSing the community and making yourselves look stupid when you argue against obviously needed balance nerfs, because if they were not needed there would be one post every two months about it not twice a day in a community of less than 300 posters. |
Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
714
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Posted - 2015.07.23 04:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
BARAGAMOS wrote:I'm just going to say it....
Anyone who thinks the BP is not broken either uses it as a crutch or does not play this game. Mind you, it is not on the level of scrambler rifles, but it is still broken. I tried it for the first time last week, it hits way too easy and does super DPS. I've been one and two hit killed by this gun numerous times, and the jump scrubs pack it as a sidearm for a reason. Don't have a clue why guys want to argue over it and the few other weapons that are out of line right now. That is unless they are the try hard scrub needing crutches. The game has devolved into that anyway, because sadly most of the guys I see using the BP belong to larger corps these days. The thing is arguing against it is not going to make these posts go away. When an item needs nerfing the community consensus is usually right. Hard to argue when there are 10 posts a week to nerf the BP, Scramblers, AHMG, Madruggars. Those posts are legitimate players aggregating their shared experience together. So again, please stop being fan boy scrubs for your favorite toys when they are out of line and help make a better game by advocating balance. Strategy/teamwork should be the focus and key to success in this game. Not K/D whoring with the FOTM items. So, please stop BSing the community and making yourselves look stupid when you argue against obviously needed balance nerfs, because if they were not needed there would be one post every two months about it not twice a day in a community of less than 300 posters.
Thank you. All I want for this gun is for it to remove its magnetic bullets.
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.07.23 04:35:00 -
[81] - Quote
Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum.
No, they're crying about the burst damage. When snipers used to be qualified as "burst' they cried as well.
No one cries about the Forgegun. 1000+ damage with more range than any other field gun. Why? I have no idea, ask the whiners.
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Dewie Cheecham
Enlightened Infantries Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
697
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Posted - 2015.07.23 05:11:00 -
[82] - Quote
My beef with the Bolt pistol, is that here you have a sidearm, doing more damage than a Sniper Rifle!
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
916
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Posted - 2015.07.23 05:46:00 -
[83] - Quote
BARAGAMOS wrote:I'm just going to say it....
Anyone who thinks the BP is not broken either uses it as a crutch or does not play this game. Mind you, it is not on the level of scrambler rifles, but it is still broken. I tried it for the first time last week, it hits way too easy and does super DPS. I've been one and two hit killed by this gun numerous times, and the jump scrubs pack it as a sidearm for a reason. Don't have a clue why guys want to argue over it and the few other weapons that are out of line right now. That is unless they are the try hard scrub needing crutches. The game has devolved into that anyway, because sadly most of the guys I see using the BP belong to larger corps these days. The thing is arguing against it is not going to make these posts go away. When an item needs nerfing the community consensus is usually right. Hard to argue when there are 10 posts a week to nerf the BP, Scramblers, AHMG, Madruggars. Those posts are legitimate players aggregating their shared experience together. So again, please stop being fan boy scrubs for your favorite toys when they are out of line and help make a better game by advocating balance. Strategy/teamwork should be the focus and key to success in this game. Not K/D whoring with the FOTM items. So, please stop BSing the community and making yourselves look stupid when you argue against obviously needed balance nerfs, because if they were not needed there would be one post every two months about it not twice a day in a community of less than 300 posters.
People still whine about red line snipers even though they are the least effective things in the game.
I agree this weapon is broken, but I dont agree that it is OP, do you understand the difference? |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2015.07.23 06:19:00 -
[84] - Quote
Vesta Opalus wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:I'm just going to say it....
Anyone who thinks the BP is not broken either uses it as a crutch or does not play this game. Mind you, it is not on the level of scrambler rifles, but it is still broken. I tried it for the first time last week, it hits way too easy and does super DPS. I've been one and two hit killed by this gun numerous times, and the jump scrubs pack it as a sidearm for a reason. Don't have a clue why guys want to argue over it and the few other weapons that are out of line right now. That is unless they are the try hard scrub needing crutches. The game has devolved into that anyway, because sadly most of the guys I see using the BP belong to larger corps these days. The thing is arguing against it is not going to make these posts go away. When an item needs nerfing the community consensus is usually right. Hard to argue when there are 10 posts a week to nerf the BP, Scramblers, AHMG, Madruggars. Those posts are legitimate players aggregating their shared experience together. So again, please stop being fan boy scrubs for your favorite toys when they are out of line and help make a better game by advocating balance. Strategy/teamwork should be the focus and key to success in this game. Not K/D whoring with the FOTM items. So, please stop BSing the community and making yourselves look stupid when you argue against obviously needed balance nerfs, because if they were not needed there would be one post every two months about it not twice a day in a community of less than 300 posters. People still whine about red line snipers even though they are the least effective things in the game. I agree this weapon is broken, but I dont agree that it is OP, do you understand the difference?
If you read the post you would not have to ask that question.....
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
714
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Posted - 2015.07.23 06:24:00 -
[85] - Quote
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. No, they're crying about the burst damage. When snipers used to be qualified as "burst' they cried as well. No one cries about the Forgegun. 1000+ damage with more range than any other field gun. Why? I have no idea, ask the whiners.
Takes a lot more practice to use a Forgun than an Aim Assist Broken Bolt Pistol.
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.23 06:36:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills.
I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. No, they're crying about the burst damage. When snipers used to be qualified as "burst' they cried as well. No one cries about the Forgegun. 1000+ damage with more range than any other field gun. Why? I have no idea, ask the whiners. They do. Then someone points out that if you don't include charge times in TTK you're being dishonest, they promptly scream, pitch a fit, show their asses and the argument falls apart.
It's a lot of anecdotal screaming and not a lot of hard evidence. A couple videos on the part of better skilled, equipped and talented players are not more than circumstantial unless bad players and mediocre players show similar result.
What's hilarious is CCP said they intended to make sidearms effective at killing similar to light weapons within their optimals.
If framerate and hit detection didn't suck people would be screaming about getting instagibbed by scrambler headshots.
Slower RoF weapons have a serious advantage in DUST. Less of the shots randomly get lost in the ether. It's why I think the AHMG is doing well and why I feel that the breach AR works better than the vanilla AR.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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