DUST Search - Nerf The Bolt Pistol !!

Smoky The Bear wrote:

Z3dog wrote:

Smoky The Bear wrote:

Mina Longstrike wrote:

Found all the pistol entries

http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363592
http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363578
http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/352499

Now just to locate the individual 'aim assist' function for them. which is bleeeeegh work.

But really what this means is that all pistols (excepting the flaylock as it is not a hitscan weapon) have slightly higher aim adhesion (if they do in fact have higher aim adhesion at all) because they're pistols.

Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle..

Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon.

Yep its dumb. I know.

Yet another reason hes not fit to be making those calls.. This assumes that everyone who plays dust only use weps that they think are OP...

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Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 152	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:05:00 - [31] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: ^Do you have a position that is based in reason and evidence? Or one that's based in bias and logical fallacies? Are you genuinely knowledgeable about this subject and can you demonstrate it or are you just saying crap that can't be proven? Are you witch-hunting? Or are you suffering from the dunning-krueger effect? Or is there some other fallacy that you're relying upon to prop up your belief that the bolt-pistol is totally OP and has 'like a billion times stronger aim adhesion, I mean I totally shot one from my redline facing at my mcc and it headshotted someone 400m away in their redline... then ****ed their mom!'. Uh oh. Somebody is projecting. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
sir RAVEN WING No Context 4	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:09:00 - [32] - Quote Can I say something similar? NERF THE ION PISTOL. Back when Heavies with HMGs were OP as ***, I killed a prototype Amarr Sent with a Ion Pistol. I was using only an Ion Pistol that whole match (Militia) and I went 23/4. Never aimed. So, do we nerf that? I'll be in the dark corner, sharpening my knives.*
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 223	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:14:00 - [33] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: ^Do you have a position that is based in reason and evidence? Or one that's based in bias and logical fallacies? Are you genuinely knowledgeable about this subject and can you demonstrate it or are you just saying crap that can't be proven? Are you witch-hunting? Or are you suffering from the dunning-krueger effect? Or is there some other fallacy that you're relying upon to prop up your belief that the bolt-pistol is totally OP and has 'like a billion times stronger aim adhesion, I mean I totally shot one from my redline facing at my mcc and it headshotted someone 400m away in their redline... then ****ed their mom!'. Rely on labels much? Hyperbole? Ur out of ur depth.. Try responding to the facts
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 674	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:17:00 - [34] - Quote Lol calm down guys. You all know me and the Last thing I'd use is a crutch but this gun that was soely designed by these Devs ! Like Rattati is broken. The AA is godly.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:18:00 - [35] - Quote Bolt pistol is a little weird... The aim assist on it is a little powerful and there are some definite Kennedy Bullet headshots at times. The stats on it would probably be fine if it weren't for the wanted-style bullet curving when the round made a clear and distinctive miss. I think that owes to it's popularity, right now. I've done some pretty crazy stuff with the Ion Pistol as well but it is a lot less reliable, IMO, especially when aiming down the sight and using a full charge. Doing that seems to make the round go into another plane of existence Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 223	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:20:00 - [36] - Quote Z3dog wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Found all the pistol entries http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363592 http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363578 http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/352499 Now just to locate the individual 'aim assist' function for them. which is bleeeeegh work. But really what this means is that all pistols (excepting the flaylock as it is not a hitscan weapon) have slightly higher aim adhesion (if they do in fact have higher aim adhesion at all) because they're pistols. Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon. Yep its dumb. I know. Yet another reason hes not fit to be making those calls.. This assumes that everyone who plays dust only use weps that they think are OP...
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:24:00 - [37] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Try responding to the facts I'll respond to facts when you present some. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 529	Posted - 2015.07.19 04:56:00 - [38] - Quote I think if this gun were to be nerfed it would be best to either increase the charge-up time to 1 full second or lower the range. I would prefer to lower the range because usually when I die from a bolt pistol the person using it isn't in CQC with me. The bolt pistol should act like a very powerful CQC pistol with decent results at just under mid-range whereas right now I feel like it operates more like a very powerful "sniper pistol". The Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol deals more damage than the Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle and that doesn't seem right to me, especially since a person can utilize auto-aim with the Bolt Pistol.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.19 05:12:00 - [39] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I think if this gun were to be nerfed it would be best to either increase the charge-up time to 1 full second or lower the range. I would prefer to lower the range because usually when I die from a bolt pistol the person using it isn't in CQC with me. The bolt pistol should act like a very powerful CQC pistol with decent results at just under mid-range whereas right now I feel like it operates more like a very powerful "sniper pistol". The Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol deals more damage than the Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle and that doesn't seem right to me, especially since a person can utilize auto-aim with the Bolt Pistol. 240ish dps sidearm? Not worth using. Your idea of 'balance' isn't. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 674	Posted - 2015.07.19 05:19:00 - [40] - Quote Just went 28/7 With Adv Bolt Pistol !!! WTF !!! :00

SLENDER M4N Xer Cloud Consortium 775	Posted - 2015.07.19 06:04:00 - [41] - Quote This topic is very....interesting. Get ready Jadek. Mrs. Menahiem is waiting!
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 529	Posted - 2015.07.19 06:14:00 - [42] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Can I say something similar? NERF THE ION PISTOL. Back when Heavies with HMGs were OP as ****, I killed a prototype Amarr Sent with a Ion Pistol. I was using only an Ion Pistol that whole match (Militia) and I went 23/4. Never aimed. So, do we nerf that? Don't you drag the Ion Pistol into this.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 379	Posted - 2015.07.19 06:37:00 - [43] - Quote If you miss... it will let you die. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 165	Posted - 2015.07.19 19:22:00 - [44] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Z3dog wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Found all the pistol entries http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363592 http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/363578 http://sde.maximumtwang.com/type/352499 Now just to locate the individual 'aim assist' function for them. which is bleeeeegh work. But really what this means is that all pistols (excepting the flaylock as it is not a hitscan weapon) have slightly higher aim adhesion (if they do in fact have higher aim adhesion at all) because they're pistols. Do you use the bolt pistol? That answer will give me all I need.. And since when does purchase stats prove a wep is op? Not everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon with a bunch tryhard scrubs.. There's many reasons possible.. I'm willing to bet the AR still gets purchased close to the top yet everyone knows its the hands down worst rifle.. Rattatti stated before that game balance was based off how many people used each weapon. Yep its dumb. I know. Yet another reason hes not fit to be making those calls.. This assumes that everyone who plays dust only use weps that they think are OP... Yep its dumb. I know. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 165	Posted - 2015.07.19 19:32:00 - [45] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Just went 28/7 With Adv Bolt Pistol !!! WTF !!! :00 Start saving screens. Upload them to imgur. Do these matches over and over again till you've got 20 or 30. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 15	Posted - 2015.07.19 19:45:00 - [46] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Yet the SMG completely outstrips the bolt pistol in terms of units purchased AND in total kills. I think people are just surprised that a Space Magnum kills people like a... well like a Magnum. Which of course means nothing since SMGs have been around from the start, but nice try protecting your skill cannon... The true measure is how often you see it from the FOTM chasers and tryhards -- And it is getting really nubby in that regard... And spare me the "Space Magnum" silliness, because no sidearm should be outdueling my ADV Burst AR at 70m, which is exactly what happened last night (and no, I did not miss a single burst)...A sidearm dealing 1088 HP in damage from that distance with just three rounds is a travesty... So either give it less range to about 50m, or make the ROF 50% slower...
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 531	Posted - 2015.07.19 20:02:00 - [47] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I think if this gun were to be nerfed it would be best to either increase the charge-up time to 1 full second or lower the range. I would prefer to lower the range because usually when I die from a bolt pistol the person using it isn't in CQC with me. The bolt pistol should act like a very powerful CQC pistol with decent results at just under mid-range whereas right now I feel like it operates more like a very powerful "sniper pistol". The Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol deals more damage than the Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle and that doesn't seem right to me, especially since a person can utilize auto-aim with the Bolt Pistol. 240ish dps sidearm? Not worth using. Your idea of 'balance' isn't. Increasing charge-up time to 1 second would give people the opportunity to break away from auto-aim. Auto-aim currently will only track a target for a small amount of time but that small amount of time happens to be enough for a bolt pistol to lock on to a target and fire a headshot. I also stated that my preference was to have the range of the weapon decreased.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 511	Posted - 2015.07.19 23:16:00 - [48] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Stop ling you scrub https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 682	Posted - 2015.07.19 23:20:00 - [49] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Stop ling you scrub I did it in Jadeks Raid in NF. This is my alt posting. My main in in NF. Scrub.
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 51	Posted - 2015.07.19 23:29:00 - [50] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Stop ling Lol. Apoc, you know better than to be caught ling.

Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.19 23:41:00 - [51] - Quote Look! I hold R1 and I kill people!! Nerf R1 or my finger? Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
maybe deadcatz the nomercs 365	Posted - 2015.07.20 01:01:00 - [52] - Quote MidgetWithWings SupahFly wrote: You must have been using LMAOBox, get good, get LMAOBox. This aint tf2 buddy Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 684	Posted - 2015.07.20 01:50:00 - [53] - Quote Got That Dodi wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Stop ling Lol. Apoc, you know better than to be caught ling. Lol didn't catch that !!!!
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.20 01:57:00 - [54] - Quote .... I don't think this is as big an issue as people are making it out to be, but I guess my bro and I will find out soon enough "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Be back in 8 dayz
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 687	Posted - 2015.07.20 07:33:00 - [55] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: .... I don't think this is as big an issue as people are making it out to be, but I guess my bro and I will find out soon enough Use it ! Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!! a¦á_a¦á Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.20 08:02:00 - [56] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Genral69 death wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé Stop ling you scrub I did it in Jadeks Raid in NF. This is my alt posting. My main in in NF. Scrub. Because going 10/0 an assault by randoms on STD/APEX BPOs in a NF premade with any weapon is totally hard... WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens RUST415 219	Posted - 2015.07.20 11:44:00 - [57] - Quote i want a bolt pistol that shoots out laser orbitals, i'll call it 'candy' 'The shadows betray you because they belong to me,'
KingA2thur 75	Posted - 2015.07.20 13:24:00 - [58] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Just got 10 kills and no deaths using the Militia Variant and I wasn't even aiming at them !!! WTF =ƒÿé=ƒÿé That is the magic of aim assist. Turn aim assist on and you hit everything and everybody F*cking aim assist..... To get trolled press any key. "I do not see 'any key'. I can only see a square, triangle, circle and cross."
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 512	Posted - 2015.07.20 13:33:00 - [59] - Quote Well considering that I missed 3 out of 4 shots hip firing . The aim assist was nurfed awhile back, I think its fine as it is, as it requires skill not shear luck https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.20 13:47:00 - [60] - Quote I don't think aim assist is the issue here, it's bullet magnetism. AA is what moves your reticule for you when an enemy moves in front of it and helps you "stick" to the target. Bullet magnetism is what makes the game say, "meh, close enough, I know you were aiming off to the side of his shoulder, but I'll just call it a headshot." I think the AA is on par with most everything else, it doesn't really "stick" any harder than any other weapon. But its bullet magnetism is off the charts. That's what makes the weapon so forgiving in that you can just aim near the guy and rock them with nearly every shot. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny



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