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Posted - 2015.07.19 22:33:00 -
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Personally, I like the idea, and after reading all the comments currently on the page I'd like to add i my own input. I'll speak from my own experiences realistically, and through the usage of the Nova Knives in-game.
First of all, whether the blade is a Light or Sidearm weapon is unimportant. This is because the weapon is close range only, and therefore easily countered at range. However, I would recommend coming to consensus on the type of weapon it's based on in regards to shape. (My personal recommendation is a Japanese Zatoichi, since it's not overly long and matches the style of the Nova Knives)
Secondly, in regards to function, how about how an actual blade is used. The methods are relatively simple, not overtly flashy, and effective. A standard two-handed approach is a must, considering that a one-handed approach gives rise to the misconception that a sword in one hand and a gun in the other is "effective"...
Length: This is the most important factor when taking into account the amount of damage dealt and the speed at which you can swing. (Two yard sticks placed one on top of the other is unacceptable)
Damage: B:160 A:200 P:220 (-,40,20) *Only my opinion, I can't really speculate on any of the technical information.
Speed: You can't have a sword that swings as fast as bullet is fired, regardless of what Hollywood says, it's not possible.
In-game, you'll have to make it substantially slower than the Nova Knives, especially since the knives don't actually swing. They actually use quick thrusts, and yes, that makes a difference.
Next, I'd like to say that the weapon should NOT be able to charge up. In regards to features, I'll leave it up to whomever. Charging is a no-no, though perhaps a short dash could occur, like in Kendo. A short 2-3 Ft. dash will hardly make this weapon overpowered, particularly against other CQC weapons like shotguns which have shot me anywhere from 8-10 ft. away.
Lastly, even though the method of a 'quick-draw' has been vastly over-hyped, it is humanely possible to pull a blade from it's scabbard in mere moments. So perhaps that could be the mechanism in which the blade is used. Allow me to explain:
I saw an anime that had an exceptional idea (Bleach, I think), that is, using the scabbard as a source of kinetic propulsion strong enough to launch the blade forward and through the target. If you want to make it fair, use that. Require the blade be 'quick-drawn'. The player taps the bumper and the blade launches forward in a quick and devastating slash, however, the blade is re-sheathed and has short time as it rebuilds it's energy before in can be used again. (It's an idea to consider, at the least.)
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:25:00 -
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Ah, but you surely have an idea of how swinging the blade relates to the weight, length, and balance of the blade (Realistically). You may feel that realistic components have no place in the game world, but even so, the Novas don't actually 'swing'; Instead of swinging the blades your character thrusts, and thrusts are much faster than slashes. When you look at it from even a gameplay standard, the sword is longer, and definitely heavier, so you would need to make it a bit slower. I'm not saying you're waiting an entire five seconds to swing, but compared to a knife, an extra second or two is borderline.
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.20 18:10:00 -
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Wait... what? Hold up, the 'knives' can't cut? And they utilize gravity fields? And Newton's Third only tells a single step the grand scheme of that whole, "Everything except your enemy is immune to magnetism" plan. So realistically, you will be pulled into the blade too, and since you're closer...
If the knives can't cut anything by themselves, they're pretty much useless. The Nova Knives have an edge, and that edge is supper-heated to allow it to penetrate tougher materials. So one can speculate that they are able to cut without being charged, and the ability to charge is only to increase cutting ability. However, super-heating the blade means a clean death since the wound is caurterized upon contact.
Now, if the Knife is able to do that much... how the hell did they fit in a way to magnetize the entire blade as well as create enough magnetization to pull in the enemy and not the user, or anything around them...? And just magnetizing the enemy to your blade is not good enough, the items are only pulled towards each other. You have to be able to move the weapon and make the thrust, which if the force is pulling towards your enemy, you can't do.
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.21 20:42:00 -
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Firstly, thank you DJINN, for explaining that everyone's interpretations are often based on what they do or do not know.
Secondly, to Emm Kay, I'm not denying what the Developers have told you. I personally have never talked to one about the subject and therefore can only speak from my own point of view. From what I know of Dust, many of it's universe's physics are the exact same as ours, so I speculate that their technological advancements can be explained clearly through scientific information that we already know. At least that way it's not, "These things pull you towards them and rip you to shreds while the user is perfectly fine, because... Go with it." If we could get a more recent explaination as to why the Nova Knives work, that would be great. But until then, my answer is, yes, a hot butter knife will slice through those shields just as effectively as an object shot at a speed somewhere above sound or even light. Why do I think so? Railguns, that's why.
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.22 17:04:00 -
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Chosokabe Ite wrote:Glad to see there are ideas floating around for melee combat. But I'm not sure if this is enough, that and we may need to adjust course. I'd go into details of what I had in mind but I might as well start a new thread for that. But I'll tell you this, a sword doesn't have to be long or far reaching to be an effective weapon.
This is quite true, my original post on this thread was going to suggest a short-bladed weapon. However, I changed the point of my post and refocused on explaining some bases that any melee weapon should stick to. If there are any threads involving melee weapons, I feel obligated to post on them and insist that weapons follow a 'simple and effective' routine. No gun-blades...
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.22 22:37:00 -
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Very well, Kay. I will cede to your point on this, as I feel it is necessary to begin discussion on the specifics of the weapon you had in mind...
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.22 22:53:00 -
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Well, if the numbers are just insignificant variables to begin with, then their loss is not worth noting. Let's start with a general outline of this new weapon. Your last outline is a few days old, at least, surely you've though a little more about what you feel is necessary?
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Posted - 2015.07.22 23:52:00 -
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I think that the Shinken and Miaodao are my votes from that list, I also recommend a Zatoichi (No Link). I think it would be best to go with a blade that is in line with the current style of bladed weaponry, unless this new melee weapon is for a different race.
In which case, the Falcata is Minmatar. One would think that the Amarr would have a blade similar to the Backsword or the Miaodao, but they seem too refined, and influenced by the Romans in many ways, therefore probably adopted an Estoc, or other type of Masonic sword. Hmm, Galente would be... I'll get back to you on that one. Caldari are most likely to have a Japanese blade.
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.23 01:07:00 -
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I'm guessing that one of those 'long-knives' which is really just a short sword but, you know, technicalities and all... Anyway, the Jian is quite nice actually, it has my vote, and since no one else is currently discussing this, we can move on with the Jian in mind.
So, points to cover are: Exact length, Damage, Striking speed, and (Arguably the most important) It's Name!!
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.23 03:48:00 -
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Sounds fine for a hypothetical idea. If it were at that length, what do you think is the best damage progression, and should it retain the ability to charge?
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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Posted - 2015.07.23 05:41:00 -
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That is quite true. I could definitely see the Amarr with a blade like that, though the redundancy of blades isn't as prominent as you might think. This is because, from a realistic aspect, many deals and negotiations would be carried out in person... A blade of some sort is easier to conceal at these times. The sword is also a reliable weapon on the battlefield due to it's ability to perform silent kills, making it perfect for Amarrian scouts...
Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
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