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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 13:47:00 - [1] - Quote SKINs have added a much needed visual customization element to Dust 514 and I am happy for it. As you probably know, CCP created a set of FW SKINs available for 100k LP + 10mil ISK for each faction. While I still believe the price for these SKINs are too high, I do think they look great and have added a reward for consistent FW participation. To iterate on FW SKINs I propose: War Hero SKINs War Hero SKINs would be easily recognizable acknowledgements of factional loyalty. These SKINs would require a minimum standing level in some capacity. I want your feedback on this idea and suggestions to improve upon it. Would War Hero SKINs require a minimum standing to purchase or to fit? Should they also have an LP/ISK cost? If so, how much? What are some likely titles for these SKINs? The Federal Defense Union's max rank is Luminaire General. Source. Amarr: Divine Commodore. Minmatar: Valklear General. Caldari: Brigadier General. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:02:00 - [2] - Quote Yes please! To live up to the title of 'War Hero SKIN', I'd hope they would be very difficult to obtain. - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only Official CPM Platform
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:05:00 - [3] - Quote I too agree that APEX suit skins cost way too much, as well as the actual skins, I heard they are like what 100,000 LP? I never saw them, lost internet prior to such The War Hero skins are a great idea, but it gives me pause. Do all these skins impact performance??? If so, then let these be the last suits, and most badarse ones ever. No, they should not have an Isk, LP cost, only useable at Ranks 9, and Rank 10. You have already bled isk and LP to get those ranks, you should not have to further bleed just to show such things. I have no idea LORE in Eve save for very basic things, so these names probably are not the most representative Minmatar- The BloodRaven Skin. Looks fully red with orange eyes and some black tattoos, similar to Avatar the Last Airbender perhaps? Caldari- The KingPin Skin. Fully black with blue eyes, green battle scars over it Amarr- Queen's Guard Skin. (I have no idea about Amarr color schemes, probably Black and Gold) Galente- Defender of Democracy Skin. (Again, no idea. ) I likey though "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:07:00 - [4] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only Whew! That is a helluva achievement I see where you are coming from though; if you see someone with this SKIN you want the reaction to be, "That guy has seen some ** in Amarr FW. Dude must love the Empress more than his own mother." I was thinking... if you attain standing level 10 AND cough up 10mil ISK + 500k LP... shouldn't you be given the light, medium, and heavy SKINs? That seems fair. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley** on Skype!
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:14:00 - [5] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Yes please! To live up to the title of 'War Hero SKIN', I'd hope they would be very difficult to obtain. - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only ....Isn't getting Level 10 hard enough?? O.O lol saving up that much LP it better be the most amazing, distinguishable suit ever... "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:17:00 - [6] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: The War Hero skins are a great idea, but it gives me pause. Do all these skins impact performance? No, they should not have an ISK, LP cost, only usable at Ranks 9, and Rank 10. You have already bled isk and LP to get those ranks, you should not have to further bleed just to show such things. SKINs should not negatively impact performance. They have significantly less impact that the old BPO system. We seem to have two separate opinions on the cost of these SKINs. 501st makes the argument that you expended tens of millions ISK to get to standing rank 10 so that is enough of an investment. Talos states that the ISK/LP cost further increases the SKINs' value and rarity. Talos, standing 10 is a very high requirement for these SKINs in and of itself. Would you consider removing the ISK cost and making it purely LP? @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 601	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote How about Battle Damaged Skins that look like they went through @#$%
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:56:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: The War Hero skins are a great idea, but it gives me pause. Do all these skins impact performance? No, they should not have an ISK, LP cost, only usable at Ranks 9, and Rank 10. You have already bled isk and LP to get those ranks, you should not have to further bleed just to show such things. SKINs should not negatively impact performance. They have significantly less impact that the old BPO system. We seem to have two separate opinions on the cost of these SKINs. 501st makes the argument that you expended tens of millions ISK to get to standing rank 10 so that is enough of an investment. Talos states that the ISK/LP cost further increases the SKINs' value and rarity. Talos, standing 10 is a very high requirement for these SKINs in and of itself. Would you consider removing the ISK cost and making it purely LP? Here's what Is really like to see. Right now we have the Marine LP SKINS. I'd like to see Factional: - Marine SKINs - Officer SKINs - General SKINs All of them harder progressively harder to get , so that seeing them actually means something. War Hero SKIN sounds great as well, but I feel something like that should be rare as hell, imo. Additionally, I'd like to see FW events where unique faction SKINS are granted. So when people see you wearing it they will say "Hey, he fought in the ****** War, cool". Prices are certainly debatable, but I like my SKINS like I like my steaks: More rare the better. Official CPM Platform**
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:58:00 - [9] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: How about Battle Damaged Skins that look like they went through @#$% Interesting. Which has greater appeal, I wonder: a shiny, dress-uniform style 'War Hero' SKIN or beat all to hell 'Hardened Veteran' SKIN? @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:02:00 - [10] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Right now we have the Marine LP SKINS. I'd like to see Factional: - Marine SKINs - Officer SKINs - General SKINs All of them harder progressively harder to get , so that seeing them actually means something. War Hero SKIN sounds great as well, but I feel something like that should be rare as hell, imo. In your scenario where do the current FW SKINs fit; Marine tier or Officer tier? I ask just as a point of reference. The current SKINs aren't exactly easy to obtain, imo. Talos Vagheitan wrote: Additionally, I'd like to see FW events where unique faction SKINS are granted. So when people see you wearing it they will say "Hey, he fought in the ****** War, cool". Commemorative SKINs? That is definitely worth exploring. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley** on Skype!

Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:03:00 - [11] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: How about Battle Damaged Skins that look like they went through @#$% Awesome idea. Official CPM Platform
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:34:00 - [12] - Quote Battle hardened absolutely:) And this is just an idea...but what if people formed a Factional corp that PCed, and then used that money strictly to run FW? "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:34:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Right now we have the Marine LP SKINS. I'd like to see Factional: - (Perhaps) Recruit SKIN - Marine SKINs (Current LP SKIN) - Officer SKINs - General SKINs All of them progressively harder to get, so that seeing them actually means something. War Hero SKIN sounds great as well, but I feel something like that should be rare as hell, imo. In your scenario where do the current FW SKINs fit; Marine tier or Officer tier? I ask just as a point of reference. The current SKINs aren't exactly easy to obtain, imo. Talos Vagheitan wrote: Additionally, I'd like to see FW events where unique faction SKINS are granted. So when people see you wearing it they will say "Hey, he fought in the "XXXXX" War, cool". Commemorative SKINs? That is definitely worth exploring. If it were up to me, I'd have the current LP skins remain 'MARINE', and have them only go up in tier and price from there. Yes, I'm in the 'These should be quite rare and hard to obtain' camp, but that's just me. To compensate, I would also be in favor of adding a 'RECRUIT' LP skin for half the price of the marine SKIN. Perhaps my views are pretty strict on this, but here's how I see it. Loyalty SKINs should require and show actual loyalty. I think seeing one should mean: "Hey, there's a person very loyal to their faction". Official CPM Platform
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:38:00 - [14] - Quote I like the idea, but only if they become strictly LP. Isk shouldn't matter to your loyalty "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Starlight Burner Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 348	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:44:00 - [15] - Quote I like it but maybe add it to where you can only wear it, if you're enlisted in FW only. Because we'll still run into the same problem of people grinding for it and never do FW again. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 15:59:00 - [16] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I like it but maybe add it to where you can only wear it, if you're enlisted in FW only. Because we'll still run into the same problem of people grinding for it and never do FW again. I was thinking about that, but im not surw if you can restrict suits and Skins. Plus after that much LP grind, wow I would want to show that to every person in the game "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:34:00 - [17] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I like it but maybe add it to where you can only wear it, if you're enlisted in FW only. Because we'll still run into the same problem of people grinding for it and never do FW again. This would need to be one piece of a larger project to make FW more enticing, Star. Things I am also considering: Faction specific 'Calibrated' modules that require standing levels to purchase, faction officer-style vehicles, and a few other surprises. Not going to go into great detail, but destructible modules and weapons available only through FW should be a thing. That would encourage more consistent FW play to replenish your supply of thangs. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 480	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:39:00 - [18] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Yes please! To live up to the title of 'War Hero SKIN', I'd hope they would be very difficult to obtain. - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only I agree if it was a bundle of all 3 skins, other than that more grinding is unnecessary. It's bad enough you get nothing for hitting lvl 10, no reward, no recognition. Lvl 9 lp payout on a win: 1,842 Lvl 10 lp payout on a win: 1,977 There has to be another way to obtain them other than grinding. ZariaOwnsWhips
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:42:00 - [19] - Quote I am honestly not against gearing this game into things to compliment FW while we wait for more powerful hardware. Perhaps making Pubs a place for contract completion and bounties (bonuses for killing Proto players), while PC is to use DKs for "something" and make isk from clone sales which is then dumped into FW for LP suits, and skins. Is the fact we can't choose where we deploy in FW an Eve issue or just something that can be done with Dust?...I feel its a larger issue but if done it would totally change FW "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 482	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:43:00 - [20] - Quote Maybe it should work like a milestone reward. Rank must be 10 Obtain X amount of kills Obtain X amount of hacks Obtain X amount of wins Obtain X amount of lp Complete all the milestones, reap the rewards ZariaOwnsWhips

501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:45:00 - [21] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Yes please! To live up to the title of 'War Hero SKIN', I'd hope they would be very difficult to obtain. - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only I agree if it was a bundle of all 3 skins, other than that more grinding is unnecessary. It's bad enough you get nothing for hitting lvl 10, no reward, no recognition. Lvl 9 lp payout on a win: 1,842 Lvl 10 lp payout on a win: 1,977 There has to be another way to obtain them other than grinding. Perhaps taking over a planet in FW unlocks a special mission... or ...and I say or because some may rebuttal this...but it takes a certain amount of Dks and LP to get. Prove your loyalty by also wnrolling your corp in FW and/or winning in PC "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:49:00 - [22] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: I agree if it was a bundle of all 3 skins, other than that more grinding is unnecessary. It's bad enough you get nothing for hitting lvl 10, no reward, no recognition. Lvl 9 lp payout on a win: 1,842 Lvl 10 lp payout on a win: 1,977 There has to be another way to obtain them other than grinding. In Talos' scenario, there would be three tiers of rewards. The standing 10 reward could the third tier of SKIN along with some other goodies to be determined later. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:50:00 - [23] - Quote Titles would also be very nice pn the character Screen under show info. "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:51:00 - [24] - Quote I'm sure CCP Rattati would like some Eve Online screen shots for color ideas, if anyone has access to them and/or plays Eve Online. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.16 17:29:00 - [25] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I'm sure CCP Rattati would like some Eve Online screen shots for color ideas, if anyone has access to them and/or plays Eve Online. I'll draw some sketches tonight after work. Us kicking this community into overdrive is needed "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 19:50:00 - [26] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Titles would also be very nice on the character Screen under show info. Titles are something Rattati has talked about many many moons ago, but I'm not sure there is a place for them in the UI that doesn't make it look cluttered. I was hoping the SKIN having a badass title would be kiiiiinda similar. Wish Rattati would pop in to give us a Yea or Nay on the whole title thing. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Sylwester Dziewiecki 486	Posted - 2015.07.16 20:10:00 - [27] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: SKINs have added a much needed visual customization element to Dust 514 and I am happy for it. As you probably know, CCP created a set of FW SKINs available for 100k LP + 10mil ISK for each faction. While I still believe the price for these SKINs are too high, I do think they look great and have added a reward for consistent FW participation. To iterate on FW SKINs I propose: War Hero SKINs War Hero SKINs would be easily recognizable acknowledgements of factional loyalty. These SKINs would require a minimum standing level in some capacity. I want your feedback on this idea and suggestions to improve upon it. Would War Hero SKINs require a minimum standing to purchase or to fit? Should they also have an LP/ISK cost? If so, how much? What are some likely titles for these SKINs? The Federal Defense Union's max rank is Luminaire General. Source. Amarr: Divine Commodore. Minmatar: Valklear General. Caldari: Brigadier General. Trello card: https://trello.com/c/CybRKHoe I do not like idea of rewarding only players that reached particular level of standing, I find it unfair for the rest of playerbase. If we really want specific items per specific level of standings, entire FW shop should be base on this formula. It would make sens that player who just join FW can not buy HAV because he did not reach some level of trust. Your proposed idea is not in EVE style, players there do not get some extra reward for high standings. One of the main reasons why FW SKIN's are expensive is because they are BPO. I would like to see some BPC that have expiration date, like 3-days, 7-days, 1-month etc. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.16 20:14:00 - [28] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: I do not like idea of rewarding only players that reached particular level of standing, I find it unfair for the rest of playerbase. If we really want specific items per specific level of standings, entire FW shop should be base on this formula. It would make sense that player who just join FW can not buy HAV because he did not reach some level of trust. Your proposed idea is not in EVE style, players there do not get some extra reward for high standings. Destructible items that a faction "sells" to a player are simply the faction providing tools for war. "Here, take this Federation AR." Says the Gallente quartermaster, "It'll help you kill some Caldari." The SKINs represent loyalty to the faction above the desire to earn some nice gear. Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: One of the main reasons why FW SKIN's are expensive is because they are BPO. I would like to see some BPC that have expiration date, like 3-days, 7-days, 1-month etc. I'm not against it, necessarily. BPCs are too temporary of a reward for most people though. I would like other players to weigh in: would you purchase BPC SKINs? @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.16 21:23:00 - [29] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only Whew! That is a helluva achievement I see where you are coming from though; if you see someone with this SKIN you want the reaction to be, "That guy has seen some **** in Amarr FW. Dude must love the Empress more than his own mother." I was thinking... if you attain standing level 10 AND cough up 10mil ISK + 500k LP... shouldn't you be given the light, medium, and heavy SKINs? That seems fair. Already do. Don't need a SKIN to prove that. That being said if it's really cool looking I'd be totally behind it. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
benandjerrys Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 356	Posted - 2015.07.16 22:05:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: - Rank 10 - 10 mill ISK + 500,000 LP True loyalists only Whew! That is a helluva achievement I see where you are coming from though; if you see someone with this SKIN you want the reaction to be, "That guy has seen some **** in Amarr FW. Dude must love the Empress more than his own mother." I was thinking... if you attain standing level 10 AND cough up 10mil ISK + 500k LP... shouldn't you be given the light, medium, and heavy SKINs? That seems fair. Already do. Don't need a SKIN to prove that. That being said if it's really cool looking I'd be totally behind it. Adamance. The Amarr WAR hero. ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Support Dust/EvE cross content We need live events discussion



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