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Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:21:00 -
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Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:23:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
I feel that if a blueberry in a standard suit gets within 5 meters of my shiny proto suit he should be instakicked from battle.
If he is in militia then instabiomass
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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MrCriminal High Power
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:23:00 -
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Yes I do need prototype stuff.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:25:00 -
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Yes.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:25:00 -
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Some people can't imagine themselfs without stomping, perma scans, reps and this kind of stuff.
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:27:00 -
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Yes
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Songs of Seraphim
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:28:00 -
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No.
ADV is sufficient enough.
Hell, I have a 1 mil SP alt that brings in anywhere from 1.5 K WP to 2K WP, and makes a vet's day insufferable.
And that's with no equipment -- save for that random Nanohive.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:29:00 -
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No one needs proto, just like no one needs advanced or standard. Anyone can do well with militia, it just takes more skill or stupider opponents. Proto certainly helps, though. If anything, proto suits are just highly recommended, as well as proto modules and equipment, but you can be just as effective with standard weaponry as with proto if you know what you're doing. But proto is generally hands down better than the standard variants, minus the fitting costs.
Personally, I run advanced everything, with the exception of rep tools and codebreakers which are always proto, and the suit gives me just enough fitting to give me exactly what I wanted. |
Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:30:00 -
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But what if I am managing the same amount of warp points as someone with Proto? |
Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:32:00 -
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Songs of Seraphim wrote:No.
ADV is sufficient enough.
Hell, I have a 1 mil SP alt that brings in anywhere from 1.5 K WP to 2K WP, and makes a vet's day insufferable.
And that's with no equipment -- save for that random Nanohive.
Yes, just last night I had gotten 1480 or so war points....finally getting good at this game |
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:32:00 -
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Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
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Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:35:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
I might try getting those, but I never use grenades anyway...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:38:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Knight Officer wrote:Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
I feel that if a blueberry in a standard suit gets within 5 meters of my shiny proto suit he should be instakicked from battle. If he is in militia then instabiomass
Viktor, I expected better of you. You're only in proto? Only in proto?
Why not in officer? Are you one of the filthy poors now?
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Kinky Fat Bastard
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:38:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
Yes its necessary, without all the proto gear I'd have a huge pile of isk with nothing to spend it on.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:52:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
I might try getting those, but I never use grenades anyway...
You don't use them because you don't have them.
When you are serving up cores and lai dais to your enemies, dust shines a little brighter.
Only better explosive is Skinjuice.
Never not Skinjuice.
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Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:54:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
I don't need em.
Just use fluxes, better with that CR + less CPU/PG + better for getting rid of equipment!
If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident.
probably.
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Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:55:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Knight Officer wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
I might try getting those, but I never use grenades anyway... You don't use them because you don't have them. When you are serving up cores and lai dais to your enemies, dust shines a little brighter. Only better explosive is Skinjuice. Never not Skinjuice.
"you don't use grenades because you don't have them"
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:57:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
I don't need em. Just use fluxes, better with that CR + less CPU/PG + better for getting rid of equipment!
There used to be a time, before shield tanks went extinct, where Allotek Fluxes were boss.
Nice for clearing entire rooftops or positions still though.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:02:00 -
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Well, if you check my Twitter, you can see that i dropped a 63 bomb with proto gear. Yes it's necessary. A starter fit doesn't have the rep, damage, hp, or ewar of a pro suit(with pro mods)
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Knight Officer wrote:Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
I feel that if a blueberry in a standard suit gets within 5 meters of my shiny proto suit he should be instakicked from battle. If he is in militia then instabiomass Viktor, I expected better of you. You're only in proto? Only in proto? Why not in officer? Are you one of the filthy poors now?
Officer version of the FOTM suits are not released yet...
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:15:00 -
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Yes, because we mustn't discriminate against people with disabilities. It's why there is such a thing as the Special Olympics.
Forget crutches. Some folks need a wheelchair.
Remember, please be kind and cut a wide berth.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:18:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Proto grenades. Everyone needs them.
Can Core destroy this uplink glitched 3m inside a wall or null cannon, spitting out reds?
Or the other 5 glitched around?
Just as I thought.
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:19:00 -
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Honestly it depends on the team you are facing, if they have 6 protos on the other side then bring your proto so you can atleast have a fair fight
I was so close sax >.<
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:25:00 -
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You put in hours to get your dropsuit skill book to 5 and come talk to me. Its like asking a rich man why does he have to fly first class on every flight he takes.
Saying what's on people's minds
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A1ZEN AKUMA
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:26:00 -
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the only reason i wear and use proto is because it looks extremely sexy and shows of my mercs curves best. and theres something awesome about the black and red.
you never go to killing party in rags no you show up in the best garment and that is proto  |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:49:00 -
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As a logi yes I do need my proto reps and a proto needle. i'my the guy picking you up at near full shield and armor, and repping you when you stray to far in the open and make it back under fire.
my min logi doesn't need the pro suit or the pro rifle unless it's a pc.
as a pilot, everything needs to maxed out just to survive.
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:51:00 -
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Really 700wp a battle ?, what exactly do you do?
I'm an assault that id say averages around 1300wp a battle
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Satori Particle
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:52:00 -
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Depends on how strong the other team is. |
Louis Domi
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:30:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
With 3 million Isk i can run a proto 170k isk suit every game forever.
Hell with 1 million isk i can run that suit every game forever.
If you die so much you loose isk, then you should re evaluate your role and position on the battlefield. |
Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:35:00 -
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Songs of Seraphim wrote:No.
ADV is sufficient enough.
Hell, I have a 1 mil SP alt that brings in anywhere from 1.5 K WP to 2K WP, and makes a vet's day insufferable.
And that's with no equipment -- save for that random Nanohive.
Using what?
My alt is a slayer, and this account uaed to be a logi, until I got a free respec.
If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident.
probably.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:36:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Really 700wp a battle ?, what exactly do you do?
I'm an assault that id say averages around 1300wp a battle
I'm pretty sure he's new, I remember I averaged 500-700 when U was a LOGI for heavens sake.
If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident.
probably.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:38:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
With Standard gear and the new suit layouts?... No.
Proto are for those who cannot aim, or have bad awareness.
You can kill just as well in Standard gear, in fact I have killed people with Meta level 25+ with my 4 meta suits.
While the suits are a major handicap, if you want to get better, you have to use Standard gear. That way, when you switch over for a PC match, everything seems freakishly easy to kill.
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Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:48:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Genral69 death wrote:Really 700wp a battle ?, what exactly do you do?
I'm an assault that id say averages around 1300wp a battle I'm pretty sure he's new, I remember I averaged 500-700 when U was a LOGI for heavens sake.
Not new, have had my account for over 2 years, it's just that I've just started becoming good. 700 war points is my average, though I've hit 1000-1300 regularly
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Knight Officer
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:49:00 -
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I have also decided to slowly amass the skills to get a nice Proto assault dropsuit. Thank you for all the insightful advice! |
Songs of Seraphim
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:52:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Songs of Seraphim wrote:No.
ADV is sufficient enough.
Hell, I have a 1 mil SP alt that brings in anywhere from 1.5 K WP to 2K WP, and makes a vet's day insufferable.
And that's with no equipment -- save for that random Nanohive. Using what? My alt is a slayer, and this account uaed to be a logi, until I got a free respec.
I made 2 additional accounts a little while back, but no passive SP.
One is Amarr Assault -- and armor tanking is NOT for me.
The other is another Caldari Assault. That one I f*ck sh*t up with.
I made another PSN account for my brother's Gallente Scout character, but I don't touch that.
Minmatar and Gallente isn't for me.
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DUST University
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Posted - 2015.07.15 23:13:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
That's almost like saying "Do you really NEED to spend SP on skills?"
I was like you once in the early days...90% of my playtime (until I finally became a 10m SP player) was spent using starter fits only... Never bothered to build my own suits or even understand what goes into effective custom fittings...
But you'll see the light... Sooner or later, seeing that endless list of all-too-familiar names in the killfeed: Ishukone... CreoDron... Kaalakiota... Allotek... Boundless... Wiyrkomi... Viziam... And you'll wonder what it is the other players know about those brand names of devastation that you have yet to figure out...
And then you'll really grind for the precious SP like never before, and spend as if your real-life existence depended on it! Just another gamer caught up in the CCP web... |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 23:29:00 -
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APEX/BPO's 99% of the time for me. proto isn't needed in pubs unless your a scrub or suck at the game. mebbe just stick a sock down the front of your dropsuit if you're that desperate
Please fix my C-II hitpoints!!
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Cesar Geronimo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.15 23:55:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Knight Officer wrote:Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
With Standard gear and the new suit layouts?... No. Proto are for those who cannot aim, or have bad awareness. You can kill just as well in Standard gear, in fact I have killed people with Meta level 25+ with my 4 meta suits. While the suits are a major handicap, if you want to get better, you have to use Standard gear. That way, when you switch over for a PC match, everything seems freakishly easy to kill.
The same logic still applies -- Why even use proto gear in PC then, especially if it's supposedly "freakishly easy"? |
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Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:04:00 -
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No. I'm happy with my Sever logi or Kaalakiota Assault suits but every now and then I like to pull out the expensive suit.  |
Senator Snipe
SVER True Blood
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:10:00 -
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Knight Officer wrote:Do you?
With the assault starter class I am averaging 700+ war points per battle. So is it really necessary?
But, then again, I only have 3m isk....
Any opinions? I'd like to hear them
It depends on the person. You can be trash and play terrible with proto gear or any other gear. You can really good and do well enough with just basic gear, not even advance, and kill people with proto. Depends on the person. i rip people apart in pubs with my multia forge gun suit
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:38:00 -
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Well, I do better in Proto than when I'm in Advanced as a general rule, but that's to be expected really.
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Zan Azikuchi
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The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.16 01:51:00 -
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Shield's are in a poor place, using Prototype is closely the only way for armor v shield balance.
Basic and ADV shield modules are goofed up having extremely high CPU and PG, add to the fact that shield's die in second's to everything, you can't win in one without proto, it's UP, it's broken, it's like your ancient grand father from times past gave you hand-me-down's of the oldest suit, that HE used to wear when it was "cool".
(Not insulting grandfather's anywhere, just stating a fact that shield's suck).
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Kinky Fat Bastard
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2015.07.16 05:11:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:APEX/BPO's 99% of the time for me. proto isn't needed in pubs unless your a scrub or suck at the game. mebbe just stick a sock down the front of your dropsuit if you're that desperate
Nothing says 'scrub' more than running Apex BPO's.... |
Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.16 08:31:00 -
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Second opinion.
Using Proto is ok if used from time to time. When you use nothing but proto it sucks.
It's a game con that it allows you for such a thing (player's mentality also count).
It's original Dev team fault really. They built the game as a mmo shooter. But they forgot that in mmo, you can't put new players vs old. It's like setting a fight between 80kg office guy a 115kg boxer.
In the end, it really comes up to the NPE, doesn't it?
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:17:00 -
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Proto looks badass, you need proto.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2015.07.16 20:22:00 -
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Kinky Fat Bastard wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:APEX/BPO's 99% of the time for me. proto isn't needed in pubs unless your a scrub or suck at the game. mebbe just stick a sock down the front of your dropsuit if you're that desperate Nothing says 'scrub' more than running Apex BPO's....
2 weeks ago perhaps. but since tierciede they're not much different to a sever, roden, kaalakiota ect. i'll slap militia bpo mods on stuff i need to change and only 'real' mod i've made ot my shaman is slapping a six kin repper on it, which i do/did to my sver logi anyway.
tbh you'd have more luck calling me a scrub for running my C-II cos that s**t outclasses APEX easily 
Please fix my C-II hitpoints!!
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Jack the Rlpper
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.16 22:36:00 -
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Honestly I used to run proto 24/7 when i had over 500mil isk. Now that i am broke and tericide is here+ apex all my fitting are apexs i have all min and gal apexs so thats what i use and i post just as good or better then proto scores
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:11:00 -
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No you don't. An ADV suit with PG and CPU skills maxed is almost the same as the Proto variant. And a STD rifle with proficiency and other skills maxed gets the job done. |
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