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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:23:00 -
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Every time around this year i always get a sick feeling because there are always a large amount of people who slip into the CPM. They get in not because they are good at organization and communication or have any leadership quality. Not because they have any genuine quality that have been proven overtime in order to fill the responsibilities of the CPM. They get in because they are just competing with each other and trying to one up each other by saying nice words and trying to convince people that they are the right person for the CPM. They are the ones who are sweet talking the community in order to get in. They are the people who know how to wh*re themselves out in order to get the votes but they know nothing of expressing or understanding the people who vote them in.
The people we need in the CPM that are genuinely knowledgeable are both unconcerned with such piety pandering and are not even able to do it well enough to get elected. The people who we need in the CPM are the people who have been playing this game and actively involved in it for the past year, learning the in's and out's of the game and gaining true communication and organization skills by talking to the people in it, not the forum warriors the regular people who play the actual game and not worry about what is said on the forums. But instead majority of the candidates just come out of nowhere and post you should vote for me because of xy and z. But sadly majority of the people who would be an assets in the CPM who have a passion for the game itself are also not going to make it into the CPM because they are not interested in the politics of it.
Playing the game, making a difference, not just listening to what everyone else says but having a head on your shoulders and having an opinion of your own, these are the real qualities that would make a good CPM not posting on the forums every day and making sure you are able to flatter others. The CPM we need are right now playing the game, not here worrying about politics of getting elected. Majority of the current candidates are asking themselves one question "How do i get elected" when the people we need on the CPM are not really worried about that. They are currently involved in the game not in the politics.
I feel majority of the CPM that will get in as always are not the truly knowledgeable but the politically competitive. But the truly knowledgeable are not politically competitive enough to care about coming here and flattering the people in order to get onto the CPM.
The people who get elected will not make a difference, they will not push hard enough. Because they are here right now reading this thread wanting to know how to get elected, they are not out playing the game and talking to real players. But if they were out playing the game and talking to the players they won't be able to get elected because they are no longer dedicating their time to politics.
Feel free to analyze this, judge rhad the one who got majority of the votes last year by a large margin, made videos was very popular. Then all the sudden felt he should be on the CPM, then what did he do he went on a campaign to flatter people posting all the reasons he would make a good CPM. Before this i have never seen any sign of real responsibility for the position. He made videos and got people to like him, he is a flatter that's why he got on the CPM. He did not really demonstrate anything in his action that would making him a good CPM.
When voting for the CPM this year i suggest look at the action of the people and what they have been doing over the past year, not what they have posted on the forum in the last week. But as said earlier majority of the people we need on the CPM are not even going to be running for the CPM position, only a few are.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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Lac Nokomis
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:28:00 -
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As an under 1 year player, I agree.
Plus all this "Hey Im running for CPM" then proceeding to see their names pop up on every thread is really annoying. You aren't fooling anyone.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:30:00 -
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Wow.. I agree with a Viktor Hadah post.. I think I need a drink.  |
Viktor Hadah Jr
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:32:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Wow.. I agree with a Viktor Hadah post.. I think I need a drink.
I thought today would be the day to fill my yearly serious post quota. 1/1 now i can relax till next summer.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:40:00 -
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longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again |
Mossellia Delt
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:41:00 -
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Well sead Viktor.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:53:00 -
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Viktor, you have stated a problem that doesn't just effect CPM/CSM elections, but democratic politics worldwide. Specifically: are we electing someone who will be skilled at representing us or someone who is skilled at being a politician?
I agree with you on one key point. Judge a candidate on their actions. Who posts proposals. Who is actively having productive conversations, not just epeen waving. Who creates trello cards on the community crowdsourcing board. Who posts in the /r/dust514 subreddit.
Look at their activity in game. Just add them as a contact and check the Leaderboards to see if they are actually playing this week. How about this month? Send a candidate an in-game mail! Squad up with them. Get them on comms. Talk to them out of game. Do they have Skype? Gmail?
Applications opened today and go through the 29th. Voting doesn't start until the 30th and ends August 13th. You have some time to make an educated decision.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:58:00 -
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Hey guys
I'm a passionate Dust player who is constantly squadding up with randoms in squad finder, who doesn't align themselves with any faction or alliance. I mess around with random fittings no one ever uses, try out playstyles that might be broken or underpowered, and love digging deep into the mechanics of the game to figure out how stuff works so I can provide feedback on how we could make it better.
But I'm also a lazy **** who has probably spent more time on these forums than the 1000+ hours I've put into the game. I don't partake in the end-game content, I play extremely casually, and my in-game connections with active players have all dried up.
On top of that, CCP once said (something like...) "becoming a CPM member may in fact limit your ability to discuss the game as freely as you are currently able to." That means any sort of speculation, dreams, or concepts are thrown out the window once you enter NDA
So whatever you do, don't vote for me.
(vote for Cross-senpai instead)
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:58:00 -
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Reading the original post I could not help thinking: Vote for Mossellia Delt! I mean he is the type of candidate you describe as the ideal. And true to your expectations, as that type of candidate, he lost in the CPM1 election.
If you want your ideal type of candidate to win, but you want them playing the game rather than campaigning, why don't you find such a candidate and do his campaigning for him (or her), as I am doing for Pokey Dravon.
Pokey Dravon will be first on my vote list, because he has been practically doing the work of a CPM even without wining a seat in the CPM1 election. Pokey did not through a hissy-fit when he lost, he just buckled down and continued to do what he could for the community.
Zaria Min Deir (your CEO) will also be somewhere on my voting list due to her interview on Episode 62 of the Biomassed podcast. She seems level headed (diplomatic) and brings a wealth of experience in PC and Corp management which would be very useful for a CPM member in providing insight and perspective. Despite playing at the top level of game content, she also pays attention to the challenges facing new players as well. I think she has earned a place on my voting list.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:03:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again
i'm sure thread will get buried in no time because the scrambler is so OP.
But i'm just investing in :i told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:09:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Wow.. I agree with a Viktor Hadah post.. I think I need a drink. Edit: Might as well add some reason The CPM are the bridge between CCP and the mercs on the ground, I'd like to see them truly be involved with the communtiy, from hosting factional events, training mercenaries, casual gameplay events or just branching out and actually making the effort to get the feeback of the Dust communtiy rather than those who want the feedback from potential voters. Imagine a corp hopping CPM changing corps each fortnight gaining experience gaming internationally with Dust gamers and providing feeback of the mercs who have their boots on the ground rather than their head in the clouds. Youtube poularity, Or diplomacy skills and a dream to fill the boots of a developer are not CPM requirements.. dedicating some effort to raise content in the game should be the number 1 reason you run for CPM, not so your view can be heard as the first thing a CPM member should consider is their opinion means nothing to us, your in a position to communicate a communites opinion to CCP and myself and many others are pretty sick and tired of people wasting this oppurtunity Dust never changed repeating the same cycle we've seen, vote for those showing creativity and content for us.
I think Cross Atu has done a fairly good job of gathering player feedback.
I also think that Iron Wolf Saber did a better job this time around.
Of course they both have a heavy presence on the forums. The type of candidate the OP wants in would be talking to players in-game and talking to CCP rather than wasting time posting on the forums, so we would all assume that they were not doing anything and call them lame duck council members.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:09:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again i'm sure thread will get buried in no time so other won't need to read it because the scrambler is so OP and we need more threads about that. But i'm just investing in "I told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates.
i have a secret (the only CPMs ive ever known or cared about were; kain, IWS and Jenza because she was my CEO)
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Viktor, you have stated a problem that doesn't just effect CPM/CSM elections, but democratic politics worldwide. Specifically: are we electing someone who will be skilled at representing us or someone who is skilled at being a politician?
I agree with you on one key point. Judge a candidate on their actions. Who posts proposals. Who is actively having productive conversations, not just epeen waving. Who creates trello cards on the community crowdsourcing board. Who posts in the /r/dust514 subreddit.
Look at their activity in game. Just add them as a contact and check the Leaderboards to see if they are actually playing this week. How about this month? Send a candidate an in-game mail! Squad up with them. Get them on comms. Talk to them out of game. Do they have Skype? Gmail?
Applications opened today and go through the 29th. Voting doesn't start until the 30th and ends August 13th. You have some time to make an educated decision.
That's the issue from my view all of what you mentioned is standard for a merc/forum warrior on here, fair enough they may do well on their monthly activty but it is what they did with that activity that counts. If your going to be the voice of the communtiy.. your first responsibility is to be in touch with that communtiy (to any/all CPM candidates)
Kevall - Takes charge of directly assisting NPE, a perfect choice. adds work
Cross - Games enough to know what he's talking about and is welcoming mercs into discussions. adds logic
Talos - His spark for creativity in Dust conent is something I have not seen from CPM. adds vision
These make a solid platform for a constructive CPM within the community, from there we will see who shows more potential than the rest to provide a voice and content for the community.. I am unsure if a CPM majorly involved in PC does anything other than make Dust a workload for themselves, instead I would suggest that CPM members reach out to PC involvement and create activity there with as much unbiased activity as possible to purley focus on adding content for ALL.
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AndyAndio
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:14:00 -
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I agree, but i think is deeper than that, i dont know how is it on EvE (dont really care) but, i doubt that the players who get elected on EvE as are irrelevant as they are on Dust, from a skill, corp and PC/endgame involvement point. Then you add the fact the rarely play the game, or they always play the same winning faction, in the same role, with the same players, and so on, i dont think is a good formula for success.
At this point, i dont see the need for CPM2. Rattatti has done a great job taking feedback from players outside the CPM, and some of this guys (specially ZarZar) probably helped the game more than any CPM has ever.-
PS: I smell the tears incoming.-
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:16:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again i'm sure thread will get buried in no time so other won't need to read it because the scrambler is so OP and we need more threads about that. But i'm just investing in "I told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates. i have a secret (the only CPMs ive ever known or cared about were; kain, IWS and Jenza because she was my CEO)
I would vote for kain if he was running. The man generates content like no other.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:43:00 -
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Goddammit Viktor, I hate giving these out.
+1
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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:51:00 -
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Vote for Pedro, and all your wildest dreams will come true.
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:53:00 -
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DY5T0PIA is pretty legit though ! He has my vote ! |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:12:00 -
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So the question is, who is going to be this year's Judge?
Saying what's on people's minds
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:34:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:So the question is, who is going to be this year's Judge?
You are saying that as he was the only one last year. Just used him as an obvious example
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:48:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Wow.. I agree with a Viktor Hadah post.. I think I need a drink. Edit: Might as well add some reason The CPM are the bridge between CCP and the mercs on the ground, I'd like to see them truly be involved with the communtiy, from hosting factional events, training mercenaries, casual gameplay events or just branching out and actually making the effort to get the feeback of the Dust communtiy rather than those who want the feedback from potential voters. Imagine a corp hopping CPM changing corps each fortnight gaining experience gaming internationally with Dust gamers and providing feeback of the mercs who have their boots on the ground rather than their head in the clouds. Youtube poularity, Or diplomacy skills and a dream to fill the boots of a developer are not CPM requirements.. dedicating some effort to raise content in the game should be the number 1 reason you run for CPM, not so your view can be heard as the first thing a CPM member should consider is their opinion means nothing to us, your in a position to communicate a communites opinion to CCP and myself and many others are pretty sick and tired of people wasting this oppurtunity Dust never changed repeating the same cycle we've seen, vote for those showing creativity and content for us.
You have the bestest posts ****. I wish u changed your name to mr. nice |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:57:00 -
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I'm here since beta.. Mr.Nice was burnt to a crisp by Viziam lasers and crushed trying to RE Duna's HAV, New Eden has no room for Mr,Nice.. rule #1 if someone seems nice in New Eden..walk away they are a d1ck.
Can the GD dwellers reading this, show me the contributions made by any/all active CPM? and how has the games long term progress been assisited by it ?? I don't see much other than discussion and beggars waiting for CCP to make the content. |
Kierkegaard Soren
Eridani Light Horse Battalion
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:00:00 -
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I largely agree with you, but in the end I think voting for anyone always boils down to an act of faith on there behalf. For example, I voted for Judge because, having watched all of his videos and having read the majority of his posts in Feedback, he was a candidate who demonstrated to me that he had strong analytical capabilities, an eye for detail, and crucially the ability to offer decent solutions to the problems he highlighted. He seemed like the perfect candidate, based on his previous form. As it turns out, that didn't work so well for the community at large.
Point being, politics: it's flawed, unwieldy and unpredictable. But it's the best we've gor. All we can do is apply as much pressure to each candidate as we can in a fair and constructive manner and hope that it reveals the truth about who they are and how suitable they'll be at making the game a better product.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:05:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Wow.. I agree with a Viktor Hadah post.. I think I need a drink. Edit: Might as well add some reason The CPM are the bridge between CCP and the mercs on the ground, I'd like to see them truly be involved with the communtiy, from hosting factional events, training mercenaries, casual gameplay events or just branching out and actually making the effort to get the feeback of the Dust communtiy rather than those who want the feedback from potential voters. Imagine a corp hopping CPM changing corps each fortnight gaining experience gaming internationally with Dust gamers and providing feeback of the mercs who have their boots on the ground rather than their head in the clouds. Youtube poularity, Or diplomacy skills and a dream to fill the boots of a developer are not CPM requirements.. dedicating some effort to raise content in the game should be the number 1 reason you run for CPM, not so your view can be heard as the first thing a CPM member should consider is their opinion means nothing to us, your in a position to communicate a communites opinion to CCP and myself and many others are pretty sick and tired of people wasting this oppurtunity Dust never changed repeating the same cycle we've seen, vote for those showing creativity and content for us.
There's plenty of quafe at my place.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:23:00 -
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a quote would take up a lot of space, and I haven't seen you victor write this much for a while.
since I am running, give me your opinion on the kind of candidate you think I am.
not that I would necessarily change because being populist is bull sht. but if there are areas to improve I'd be an idiot not too.
go ahead fire away.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:09:00 -
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I don't like favoritism. I also don't see why hanging out with your best buds in game, a very small cross section of the community, is somehow more than being involved in the forums which is exactly where the real communication should be happening with the potential to reach a larger cross section of players. The forums are here as a clear indicator of where players can get and discuss information. Whether they take advantage of that is up to them.
After all, why would we even be posting platforms and criticizing the CPM on the forums if it was better to hook up in a clique in game?
It's better to be independent of that and not so easily swayed by a small group of players in your specific circle of friends that you are trying to please.
The OP is contadictory. You want players who are going to care about the game, the big picture, yet hang with each other in game? I doubt a true consensus will come from oh say, the five guys from FA chumming in PC with five other guys from OH or some such leet corp of tryhards that just want to elect each other and push for better FOTM gear.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:25:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I don't like favoritism. I also don't see why hanging out with your best buds in game, a very small cross section of the community, is somehow more than being involved in the forums which is exactly where the real communication should be happening with the potential to reach a larger cross section of players. The forums are here as a clear indicator of where players can get and discuss information. Whether they take advantage of that is up to them.
After all, why would we even be posting platforms and criticizing the CPM on the forums if it was better to hook up in a clique in game?
It's better to be independent of that and not so easily swayed by a small group of players in your specific circle of friends that you are trying to please.
The OP is contadictory. You want players who are going to care about the game, the big picture, yet hang with each other in game? I doubt a true consensus will come from oh say, the five guys from FA chumming in PC with five other guys from OH or some such leet corp of tryhards that just want to elect each other and push for better FOTM gear.
I'm sure there are people who will be here posting away on the forums getting peoples idea's. But i see people who post here that have not played the game in months but are just forum warriors. I never said for people to play within the same squad with the same people all the time. I have many chat channels where i squad up with different corporations, part of being in PC is meta game, more so the higher you go. You are constantly in contact with members of different corporations both friendly and rivals messages back and forth.
I am not saying people should be getting there idea's for a small group of players but when you are actually playing in a squad and talking openly within a friendly environment ideas are a lot more free flowing, not one forum discussion have i seen can even equate to the top 25 in-game discussion i have had about dust. Playing the game while talking about what the game needs, how the game is unique, what we like and dislike about the game can not be matched by keyboard warriors. When i talk to a CPM member i want them to be knowledgeable as i am about the subject, i want them to understand the game.
I have had hours long discussions about PC meta game, about the future of dust, about current state of dust on levels that can never be matched in a thread.
If you want people who are constantly on the forums and you feel that is the best way to learn what people really think about the game then i assure you at least have the CPM will be forum warriors so don't worry about it. I would just like to see a few get on who have passion for the game, not the forum and the prestige of the CPM tag.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.07.15 23:11:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I don't like favoritism. I also don't see why hanging out with your best buds in game, a very small cross section of the community, is somehow more than being involved in the forums which is exactly where the real communication should be happening with the potential to reach a larger cross section of players. The forums are here as a clear indicator of where players can get and discuss information. Whether they take advantage of that is up to them.
After all, why would we even be posting platforms and criticizing the CPM on the forums if it was better to hook up in a clique in game?
It's better to be independent of that and not so easily swayed by a small group of players in your specific circle of friends that you are trying to please.
The OP is contadictory. You want players who are going to care about the game, the big picture, yet hang with each other in game? I doubt a true consensus will come from oh say, the five guys from FA chumming in PC with five other guys from OH or some such leet corp of tryhards that just want to elect each other and push for better FOTM gear. I'm sure there are people who will be here posting away on the forums getting peoples idea's. But i see people who post here that have not played the game in months but are just forum warriors. I never said for people to play within the same squad with the same people all the time. I have many chat channels where i squad up with different corporations, part of being in PC is meta game, more so the higher you go. You are constantly in contact with members of different corporations both friendly and rivals messages back and forth and meetings. (Today i have been in a chat room between two directors of corporations that have over 400 members combined.) I am not saying people should be getting there idea's for a small group of players but when you are actually playing in a squad and talking openly within a friendly environment ideas are a lot more free flowing, not one forum discussion have i seen can even equate to the top 25 in-game discussion i have had about dust. Playing the game while talking about what the game needs, how the game is unique, what we like and dislike about the game can not be matched by keyboard warriors. When i talk to a CPM member i want them to be knowledgeable as i am about the subject, i want them to understand the game. I have had hours long discussions about PC meta game, about the future of dust, about current state of dust on levels that can never be matched in a thread. If you want people who are constantly on the forums and you feel that is the best way to learn what people really think about the game then i assure you at least have the CPM will be forum warriors so don't worry about it. I would just like to see a few get on who have passion for the game, not the forum and the prestige of the CPM tag.
Vic, I would give you a coherent response, but the last hour on the forums (and my subsequent drunkness) have proven my point. It's times like these that authentic frontier gibberish due to the servers being down is what makes the forums golden and proof that the forums are much more important to community solidarity.
Remember, the U.S. Constitution was written (as well as a lot of other stuff) over liquor and drunkeness. I think we can do the same for our beloved game.
Re'er!
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Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.15 23:48:00 -
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Interesting food for thought.
Being CPM would be fascinating but ultimately a massive amount of work which passion for the game, the lore, etc simply won't fuel me through, and moreover unlike most of the CPM candidates I am not a numbers oriented individual who can compose spread sheets on a dime.
I'm kind of over the CPM candidate spiel wherein everyone says the same thing about ports, connectivity fixes, etc. We have too many rounded candidates. Where are my those niche candidates who will bring a new dynamic to the CPM?
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:12:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Every time around this year i always get a sick feeling because there are always a large amount of people who slip into the CPM. They get in not because they are good at organization and communication or have any leadership quality. Not because they have any genuine quality that have been proven overtime in order to fill the responsibilities of the CPM. They get in because they are just competing with each other and trying to one up each other by saying nice words and trying to convince people that they are the right person for the CPM. They are the ones who are sweet talking the community in order to get in. They are the people who know how to wh*re themselves out in order to get the votes but they know nothing of expressing or understanding the people who vote them in.
You want the apolitical answer? If you're genuinely concerned about who might be elected CPM, then probably the least effective way to change the outcome is to sit around whinging about it on the forums. Talk to your friends, message your alliance mates, run if you think you're better qualified, or find someone who you think is and encourage them to run.
Your post seems to imply that people who got seats last year were "whoring themselves out to the community" on the forums, which is just asinine. Most of last year's successful candidates had voting blocs that hardly touch the forums if at all. It'll be the same this year. If you think that the blocs that voted them in aren't representative of the player base, then you should do your part to energize more of the people who you think are representative.
If you don't care enough about the game to engage with the politics of getting elected, then I honestly don't want you on the CPM. People who are experts but are unable to diplomatically convey their ideas will fare just as poorly in advocating the players' best interests to CCP as they will in an election.
You spoke to Judge getting elected last year. That was a farce and make no mistake. All the material that he released made it clear that he wasn't going to be a levelheaded CPM member. The only way to prevent people like that from taking seats is to encourage the players who are representative to get out the vote. It'll take a long term group effort to combat the apathy people have towards CPM elections. Meanwhile, yeah, implicitly it would be fantastic if there were a voting method that ran through the game client rather than through the web client. That feature still has its advocates, including me, but meanwhile we have to do the best with what we've got.
Constructive discussion I'm more amenable to discussing a bit more civilly. But you can cut out this thing where you dramatically hang your head and weep "Woe is me that everything is not perfectly how I would love it!" while doing little and nothing to fix the very problems you claim are your concern.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything.
You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get?
F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:47:00 -
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Vast majority of dust doesn't really know what CPM does and what they go through.
That's a major problem.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence.
judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing.
he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:53:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him.
Doesn't change anything.
He bailed.
We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:56:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him. Doesn't change anything. He bailed. We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table.
judge was the canary in the coalmine
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:58:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him. Doesn't change anything. He bailed. We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table. judge was the canary in the coalmine
He was a d-bag who has no balls.
If I remember correctly, the CPM elections last year came AFTER FF 14.
If you needed a "canary" after that Fanfest to tell you there were problems, you have some problems of your own...
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
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G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again i'm sure thread will get buried in no time so other won't need to read it because the scrambler is so OP and we need more threads about that. But i'm just investing in "I told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates. i have a secret (the only CPMs ive ever known or cared about were; kain, IWS and Jenza because she was my CEO)
Betamax 4 L1F3!!
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.16 02:56:00 -
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Judge was just proof that the majority was excited off of his British accent and fancy markers, proving they were poor judge (snicker) of character. The people were warned but failed to listen.
Let's not make that same mistake bros.
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demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
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Fox Gaden wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again i'm sure thread will get buried in no time so other won't need to read it because the scrambler is so OP and we need more threads about that. But i'm just investing in "I told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates. i have a secret (the only CPMs ive ever known or cared about were; kain, IWS and Jenza because she was my CEO) I would vote for kain if he was running. The man generates content like no other.
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Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.07.16 08:10:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him. Doesn't change anything. He bailed. We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table. judge was the canary in the coalmine
One Eye Kings appraisal of the situation is far more accurate.
If you want a canary in a coalmine CPM that would be Cazderon.
CPM 1, Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:01:00 -
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Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:38:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
We don't need celebrities or philosophers. We need assistant engineers, architects and community reps.
We need people who will support and motivate the cause of getting sh*t done.
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Nos Nothi
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'Scuse my distillation and potential removal of valid points in an eloquent OP, but basically, the TL;DR is:
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
... That's the spirit
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:45:00 -
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I think that your ideal candidate would have to be a person who both played the game and spent time on the forums.
You have explained why a Forum Warrior who does not actually play the game much can become out of touch with what is actually happening in game, but if a CPM member is not active on the forums, then everyone will think they are not doing anything and call them a Lame Duck CPM member even if they are doing a fantastic job.
So ideally you want someone who is active both in game and on the forums, like Cross Atu was this year.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:56:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Judge was just proof that the majority was excited off of his British accent and fancy markers, proving they were poor judge (snicker) of character. The people were warned but failed to listen.
Let's not make that same mistake bros.
Yes, anyone who actually followed the election discussions knew that Judge did not play well with others. 
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VALCORE72
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
336
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Posted - 2015.07.16 18:00:00 -
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ill never agree with haven cpms knowing whats being changed or released . to much insider trading of info on dust . most cpms are untrustworthy and only seek to better them self or there corp. we shouldn't have cpm if ccp would just have more ppl play there game to see whats what . just my 2 cents . keep the change lol |
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Also there are only a few hundred voters, so it's not exactly difficult to play the popularity game just long enough to get in. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:42:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I think that your ideal candidate would have to be a person who both played the game and spent time on the forums.
You have explained why a Forum Warrior who does not actually play the game much can become out of touch with what is actually happening in game, but if a CPM member is not active on the forums, then everyone will think they are not doing anything and call them a Lame Duck CPM member even if they are doing a fantastic job.
So ideally you want someone who is active both in game and on the forums, like Cross Atu was this year.
Bit of bias there Fox
Cross was not the only CPM who posted regularly on the forums and played the game. ;)
Not to be too defensive but up until I quit Dust (RL circumstances) and offered to step down from the CPM in response...I was posting quite regularly on the forums and playing the game quite often...only about 6 weeks of the first 6 months of my term did I not touch Dust (I took a break and played Destiny pretty heavily until November) and even then I was still speaking regularly with those that did.
Furthermore I don't know what gives you the impression that Cross was playing (define 'playing the game') very often as iirc he was indisposed for an extended period last year...actually Cross would have been our chair but he had real life stuff and wasn't able to be present very often. No one is perfect.
I actually am quite sure that if you were to add up the playing time for me in that first 6 months it would be about the same as the amount of time everyone else in the CPM has played in the past year with the exception of SirManBoy.
To Aeon's point:
Many of the 'celebrities' were eliminated far before the 'philosophers'
Zion Shad was eliminated before Aeon...and Pokey would have made it on had he not been splitting votes with Cross.
**** Black Jackal probably would have made it on had Tesfa not been running.
The CPM did overall a great job of eliciting feedback and relaying it from my perspective.
I think that it's quite hilarious to have people assume the CPM were not eliciting feedback when the only place you'd know is if you asked them yourself (and if you did and they responded they don't I'd love to know who) or if you saw them in action.
You can't prove a negative.
And surely there are plenty of able candidates who play little if ever (looking at Pokey for example)
The OP is largely mistaken that saying nice things and furthering populist agenda's will get you into the CPM.
Literally every CPM who made it in worked extremely hard to get there, demonstrating leadership in organizing and willing their campaign into success.
It's true not many of the other candidates had to endure the divisiveness I that spawned this fantastic quote from Fox's Summaries last year:
Quote:Zatara Rought:
CEO of Fatal Absolution. Experience at the highest levels of Planetary Conquest. He can count some of the most irrational people in DUST among his critics.
But that does not provide ammunition to the misguided view that most other candidates were pandering. That those who were elected...were elected because of pandering.
The politically competitive don't become so without a LOT of hard work and effort.
And that skill set is a valuable one. If I was voting between a person who had never posted on the forums, and wasn't in a corp..but had great ideas and a fantastic vision...and someone like Cross who also has great ideas and vision but also seek feedback from others...who of you wouldn't want the forum warrior?
I remember a while back Aeon saying that no one on the CPM were around and then retracted that statement because every single time Aeon or ANYONE messages me or emails me, or direct messages me on twitter, or even my reddit account or facebook account....I've responded.
The only "celebrity" duster who made it on last year was Judge...and be began showing his inability to lead long before he was elected.
Iron was criticized heavily
Cross was relatively unknown
I was the most divisive candidate harangued by all manner of troll looking for any way they can discredit me..they still do! You might see a few of my fans enter this thread to respond to my post!
Did anyone even know who SirManBoy was before he declared? I didn't and he was in my alliance.
Only 1 candidate made it onto the CPM without running a campaign...SirManBoy.
To the point that
Quote:majority of the people we need on the CPM are not even going to be running for the CPM position
this is where YOU and other should be working to get them elected...instead of making posts like this.
There are those who talk about what kind of people they imagine get on the CPM vs those that they think should be on the CPM...and their are those who are investing their time making sure the people they see as worthy are getting elected.
I'm extremely surprised to see you insinuating the people on the CPM are 'knowledgeable'
SMH
The CPM are conduits for the community.
I hope the community will seek out those that are already acting as CPM and elect them, true conduits that are open minded people who can converse aptly about Dust and inspire you with their vision for what they wish to accomplish, realistic or not.
When I was elected people said the CPM was stupid and worthless.
That we would be relegated to helping out with hotfixes, that dreams of "PC2.0" or "Team Deploy" were deluded and that Dust would never receive updates.
It's easy to be a critic people. Stop destroying, start building.
Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I think that your ideal candidate would have to be a person who both played the game and spent time on the forums.
You have explained why a Forum Warrior who does not actually play the game much can become out of touch with what is actually happening in game, but if a CPM member is not active on the forums, then everyone will think they are not doing anything and call them a Lame Duck CPM member even if they are doing a fantastic job.
So ideally you want someone who is active both in game and on the forums, like Cross Atu was this year.
Thanks Fox, I do try to stay informed and active.
That being said - on a more general note - no one, Dev or player (including player reps) is ever going to have the full picture on their own. Input and iteration are vital to the process as are the discussions which can feed into both.
It is why, to me personally, the will to have conversations and to put analysis over emotion and personal taste is so important to the role of player representative.
The community is not one person, or seven, and no one will represent the community without the ability and willingness to listen as part of the evaluation process.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:58:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
It is why, to me personally, the will to have conversations and to put analysis over emotion and personal taste is so important to the role of player representative.
The community is not one person, or seven, and no one will represent the community without the ability and willingness to listen as part of the evaluation process.
Amen
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:03:00 -
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Generally agree with the post, but did have one bit I wanted to clarify as quoted below.
Zatara Rought wrote:
Furthermore I don't know what gives you the impression that Cross was playing (define 'playing the game') very often as iirc he was indisposed for an extended period last year...actually Cross would have been our chair but he had real life stuff and wasn't able to be present very often. No one is perfect.
I took a bit of time off over the holidays with family visiting, but other than that I've been on pretty frequently throughout. However you're spot on that playing the game, with regards to amount, is not clearly defined and thus open to interpenetration.
As to meetings, the only ones I missed were the ones set during the hours I was at work which I provided to both CCP and CPM at the start of term and were basically boiled down to "I can't make meetings Sunday or Monday in my local time zone"
even then the ones I wasn't able to attend were greatly in the minority.
Heartily confirming though that no one - myself very much included - is perfect.
Just seemed important to note the details regarding the above because, at least my reading of the quoted paragraph, leaves an impression that need more information to apply accurate context.
Cheers,
Cross
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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For those who don't want to accept my rhetoric at face value (and who should you believe without checking their credentials? ) here's a link to my CPM 2 post.
It provides context for my outlook, game play, and a sampling of links to interviews, threads, and podcasts I have participated in during both this cycle and the CPM 1 election cycle. Everyone can read and listen for themselves and come to their own conclusions about how well, or poorly, I might serve as a representative for them then vote accordingly.
I do want to participate in CPM 2 and I won't equivocate about that, but I believe in representing myself as accurately as I am able so that if I am elected it will be due to a legitimate sense on the part of sufficient players, that I will represent them effectively. I doubt I or anyone can represent the entire player base effectively, which is one reason having more than a single CPM is valuable.
All of that being the case, I would simply advise that folks read the contents of the linked thread, and the content is points to, and draw their own conclusions.
Cheers,
Cross
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
The irony here is that you are both part philosopher and celebrity..... deny if you will but I have seen the elements of cult fandom here and there.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
929
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:16:00 -
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Squagga for CPM2
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Grease Spillett
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Lac Nokomis wrote:As an under 1 year player, I agree.
Plus all this "Hey Im running for CPM" then proceeding to see their names pop up on every thread is really annoying. You aren't fooling anyone.
You don't play like a n00b.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM. The irony here is that you are both part philosopher and celebrity..... deny if you will but I have seen the elements of cult fandom here and there.
I'd rather not be the celebrity, honestly, and I've tried my hardest to play the role of the philosopher. I can't help that I have a lot to say on the forums T~T
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM. We don't need celebrities or philosophers. We need assistant engineers, architects and community reps. We need people who will support and motivate the cause of getting sh*t done.
Engineers and architects are what I'm referring to as philosophers, not 100% legitimate, sitting in a Toga philosophers. Game Designers, essentially.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:45:00 -
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A lot of people asked me to run..like what are you smoking? 1) I'm not dealing with NDA 2) I don't have time 3) I don't want anything to do with cpm, it's not worth it.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Community Rep.....hmmmmmm!
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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True Adamance wrote:Interesting food for thought.
Being CPM would be fascinating but ultimately a massive amount of work which passion for the game, the lore, etc simply won't fuel me through, and moreover unlike most of the CPM candidates I am not a numbers oriented individual who can compose spread sheets on a dime.
I'm kind of over the CPM candidate spiel wherein everyone says the same thing about ports, connectivity fixes, etc. We have too many rounded candidates. Where are my those niche candidates who will bring a new dynamic to the CPM?
Hehe, you dirty boy. You want that Amarrian tank don't you?
I hereby swear to be the candidate to bring the Amarrian tank to the masses. If you want a Min tank folks talk to some other guy. That niche enough?
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Operative 1174 Uuali
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:'Scuse my distillation and potential removal of valid points in an eloquent OP, but basically, the TL;DR is:
Voters are ignorant of a bigger picture
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xt5VpSy6Xk
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:'Scuse my distillation and potential removal of valid points in an eloquent OP, but basically, the TL;DR is:
Voters are ignorant of a bigger picture https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xt5VpSy6Xk
Not sure of the relevance (but that's likely coz I'm a little slow on the uptake and not "into" politics) but that's hilarious either way.
[Edit] also a Brit lol - didn't know what The Electoral College was until 5 minutes ago |
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