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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:18:00 -
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lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything.
You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get?
F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:47:00 -
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Vast majority of dust doesn't really know what CPM does and what they go through.
That's a major problem.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:50:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence.
judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing.
he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:53:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him.
Doesn't change anything.
He bailed.
We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:56:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him. Doesn't change anything. He bailed. We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table.
judge was the canary in the coalmine
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:58:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him. Doesn't change anything. He bailed. We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table. judge was the canary in the coalmine
He was a d-bag who has no balls.
If I remember correctly, the CPM elections last year came AFTER FF 14.
If you needed a "canary" after that Fanfest to tell you there were problems, you have some problems of your own...
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.16 02:42:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again i'm sure thread will get buried in no time so other won't need to read it because the scrambler is so OP and we need more threads about that. But i'm just investing in "I told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates. i have a secret (the only CPMs ive ever known or cared about were; kain, IWS and Jenza because she was my CEO) 
Betamax 4 L1F3!!
When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.16 02:56:00 -
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Judge was just proof that the majority was excited off of his British accent and fancy markers, proving they were poor judge (snicker) of character. The people were warned but failed to listen.
Let's not make that same mistake bros.
Saying what's on people's minds
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demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.16 04:19:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:longest post Ive ever read, time to try and log in again i'm sure thread will get buried in no time so other won't need to read it because the scrambler is so OP and we need more threads about that. But i'm just investing in "I told you so's" for a few month after we see our CPM candidates. i have a secret (the only CPMs ive ever known or cared about were; kain, IWS and Jenza because she was my CEO) I would vote for kain if he was running. The man generates content like no other.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.07.16 08:10:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lets hold a moment of silence for judge rudamathas.
the guy who took one look behind the NDA and promptly ragequit everything. You mean the guy who promised he would make the effort to work on the communities behalf, then got one glimpse of Destiny and bailed, taking up a CPM spot that others had honestly wanted and didn't get? F*ck Judge. He deserves no moment of silence. judge bailed LONG before destiny was a thing. he bailed literally after he gained acess to NDA, whatever he saw behind the curtain diddnt sit well with him. Doesn't change anything. He bailed. We all know there are lots hiding behind the NDA, and if he didn't think he could handle what he saw, he should have not applied to the CPM and stayed sitting at the children's table. judge was the canary in the coalmine
One Eye Kings appraisal of the situation is far more accurate.
If you want a canary in a coalmine CPM that would be Cazderon.
CPM 1, Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:01:00 -
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Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
CPM2 Candidate
Design A SKIN 2
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:38:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
We don't need celebrities or philosophers. We need assistant engineers, architects and community reps.
We need people who will support and motivate the cause of getting sh*t done.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:43:00 -
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'Scuse my distillation and potential removal of valid points in an eloquent OP, but basically, the TL;DR is:
Voters are ignorant of a bigger picture |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
... That's the spirit
Official CPM Platform
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:45:00 -
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I think that your ideal candidate would have to be a person who both played the game and spent time on the forums.
You have explained why a Forum Warrior who does not actually play the game much can become out of touch with what is actually happening in game, but if a CPM member is not active on the forums, then everyone will think they are not doing anything and call them a Lame Duck CPM member even if they are doing a fantastic job.
So ideally you want someone who is active both in game and on the forums, like Cross Atu was this year.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:56:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Judge was just proof that the majority was excited off of his British accent and fancy markers, proving they were poor judge (snicker) of character. The people were warned but failed to listen.
Let's not make that same mistake bros.
Yes, anyone who actually followed the election discussions knew that Judge did not play well with others. 
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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VALCORE72
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
336
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Posted - 2015.07.16 18:00:00 -
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ill never agree with haven cpms knowing whats being changed or released . to much insider trading of info on dust . most cpms are untrustworthy and only seek to better them self or there corp. we shouldn't have cpm if ccp would just have more ppl play there game to see whats what . just my 2 cents . keep the change lol |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.07.16 18:06:00 -
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Also there are only a few hundred voters, so it's not exactly difficult to play the popularity game just long enough to get in. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:42:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I think that your ideal candidate would have to be a person who both played the game and spent time on the forums.
You have explained why a Forum Warrior who does not actually play the game much can become out of touch with what is actually happening in game, but if a CPM member is not active on the forums, then everyone will think they are not doing anything and call them a Lame Duck CPM member even if they are doing a fantastic job.
So ideally you want someone who is active both in game and on the forums, like Cross Atu was this year.
Bit of bias there Fox
Cross was not the only CPM who posted regularly on the forums and played the game. ;)
Not to be too defensive but up until I quit Dust (RL circumstances) and offered to step down from the CPM in response...I was posting quite regularly on the forums and playing the game quite often...only about 6 weeks of the first 6 months of my term did I not touch Dust (I took a break and played Destiny pretty heavily until November) and even then I was still speaking regularly with those that did.
Furthermore I don't know what gives you the impression that Cross was playing (define 'playing the game') very often as iirc he was indisposed for an extended period last year...actually Cross would have been our chair but he had real life stuff and wasn't able to be present very often. No one is perfect.
I actually am quite sure that if you were to add up the playing time for me in that first 6 months it would be about the same as the amount of time everyone else in the CPM has played in the past year with the exception of SirManBoy.
To Aeon's point:
Many of the 'celebrities' were eliminated far before the 'philosophers'
Zion Shad was eliminated before Aeon...and Pokey would have made it on had he not been splitting votes with Cross.
**** Black Jackal probably would have made it on had Tesfa not been running.
The CPM did overall a great job of eliciting feedback and relaying it from my perspective.
I think that it's quite hilarious to have people assume the CPM were not eliciting feedback when the only place you'd know is if you asked them yourself (and if you did and they responded they don't I'd love to know who) or if you saw them in action.
You can't prove a negative.
And surely there are plenty of able candidates who play little if ever (looking at Pokey for example)
The OP is largely mistaken that saying nice things and furthering populist agenda's will get you into the CPM.
Literally every CPM who made it in worked extremely hard to get there, demonstrating leadership in organizing and willing their campaign into success.
It's true not many of the other candidates had to endure the divisiveness I that spawned this fantastic quote from Fox's Summaries last year:
Quote:Zatara Rought:
CEO of Fatal Absolution. Experience at the highest levels of Planetary Conquest. He can count some of the most irrational people in DUST among his critics.
But that does not provide ammunition to the misguided view that most other candidates were pandering. That those who were elected...were elected because of pandering.
The politically competitive don't become so without a LOT of hard work and effort.
And that skill set is a valuable one. If I was voting between a person who had never posted on the forums, and wasn't in a corp..but had great ideas and a fantastic vision...and someone like Cross who also has great ideas and vision but also seek feedback from others...who of you wouldn't want the forum warrior?
I remember a while back Aeon saying that no one on the CPM were around and then retracted that statement because every single time Aeon or ANYONE messages me or emails me, or direct messages me on twitter, or even my reddit account or facebook account....I've responded.
The only "celebrity" duster who made it on last year was Judge...and be began showing his inability to lead long before he was elected.
Iron was criticized heavily
Cross was relatively unknown
I was the most divisive candidate harangued by all manner of troll looking for any way they can discredit me..they still do! You might see a few of my fans enter this thread to respond to my post!
Did anyone even know who SirManBoy was before he declared? I didn't and he was in my alliance.
Only 1 candidate made it onto the CPM without running a campaign...SirManBoy.
To the point that
Quote:majority of the people we need on the CPM are not even going to be running for the CPM position
this is where YOU and other should be working to get them elected...instead of making posts like this.
There are those who talk about what kind of people they imagine get on the CPM vs those that they think should be on the CPM...and their are those who are investing their time making sure the people they see as worthy are getting elected.
I'm extremely surprised to see you insinuating the people on the CPM are 'knowledgeable'
SMH
The CPM are conduits for the community.
I hope the community will seek out those that are already acting as CPM and elect them, true conduits that are open minded people who can converse aptly about Dust and inspire you with their vision for what they wish to accomplish, realistic or not.
When I was elected people said the CPM was stupid and worthless.
That we would be relegated to helping out with hotfixes, that dreams of "PC2.0" or "Team Deploy" were deluded and that Dust would never receive updates.
It's easy to be a critic people. Stop destroying, start building.
Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution
Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I think that your ideal candidate would have to be a person who both played the game and spent time on the forums.
You have explained why a Forum Warrior who does not actually play the game much can become out of touch with what is actually happening in game, but if a CPM member is not active on the forums, then everyone will think they are not doing anything and call them a Lame Duck CPM member even if they are doing a fantastic job.
So ideally you want someone who is active both in game and on the forums, like Cross Atu was this year.
Thanks Fox, I do try to stay informed and active.
That being said - on a more general note - no one, Dev or player (including player reps) is ever going to have the full picture on their own. Input and iteration are vital to the process as are the discussions which can feed into both.
It is why, to me personally, the will to have conversations and to put analysis over emotion and personal taste is so important to the role of player representative.
The community is not one person, or seven, and no one will represent the community without the ability and willingness to listen as part of the evaluation process.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:58:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
It is why, to me personally, the will to have conversations and to put analysis over emotion and personal taste is so important to the role of player representative.
The community is not one person, or seven, and no one will represent the community without the ability and willingness to listen as part of the evaluation process.
Amen
Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution
Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:03:00 -
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Generally agree with the post, but did have one bit I wanted to clarify as quoted below.
Zatara Rought wrote:
Furthermore I don't know what gives you the impression that Cross was playing (define 'playing the game') very often as iirc he was indisposed for an extended period last year...actually Cross would have been our chair but he had real life stuff and wasn't able to be present very often. No one is perfect.
I took a bit of time off over the holidays with family visiting, but other than that I've been on pretty frequently throughout. However you're spot on that playing the game, with regards to amount, is not clearly defined and thus open to interpenetration.
As to meetings, the only ones I missed were the ones set during the hours I was at work which I provided to both CCP and CPM at the start of term and were basically boiled down to "I can't make meetings Sunday or Monday in my local time zone"
even then the ones I wasn't able to attend were greatly in the minority.
Heartily confirming though that no one - myself very much included - is perfect.
Just seemed important to note the details regarding the above because, at least my reading of the quoted paragraph, leaves an impression that need more information to apply accurate context.
Cheers,
Cross
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:18:00 -
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For those who don't want to accept my rhetoric at face value (and who should you believe without checking their credentials? ) here's a link to my CPM 2 post.
It provides context for my outlook, game play, and a sampling of links to interviews, threads, and podcasts I have participated in during both this cycle and the CPM 1 election cycle. Everyone can read and listen for themselves and come to their own conclusions about how well, or poorly, I might serve as a representative for them then vote accordingly.
I do want to participate in CPM 2 and I won't equivocate about that, but I believe in representing myself as accurately as I am able so that if I am elected it will be due to a legitimate sense on the part of sufficient players, that I will represent them effectively. I doubt I or anyone can represent the entire player base effectively, which is one reason having more than a single CPM is valuable.
All of that being the case, I would simply advise that folks read the contents of the linked thread, and the content is points to, and draw their own conclusions.
Cheers,
Cross
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:22:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM.
The irony here is that you are both part philosopher and celebrity..... deny if you will but I have seen the elements of cult fandom here and there.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:16:00 -
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Squagga for CPM2
Shields, the silent killer.
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Grease Spillett
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
918
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:43:00 -
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Lac Nokomis wrote:As an under 1 year player, I agree.
Plus all this "Hey Im running for CPM" then proceeding to see their names pop up on every thread is really annoying. You aren't fooling anyone.
You don't play like a n00b.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM. The irony here is that you are both part philosopher and celebrity..... deny if you will but I have seen the elements of cult fandom here and there.
I'd rather not be the celebrity, honestly, and I've tried my hardest to play the role of the philosopher. I can't help that I have a lot to say on the forums T~T
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:36:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Judge is all the evidence you'll ever need that the typical voter is uninformed and unenlightened.
It's a sad fact but, Viktor hit it right on the marker.
Even if this CPM turns out to be a wash (which it probably will be, because the players vote in celebrities quicker than philosophers) we can at least hope that they'll at least communicate with those who should have been on the CPM. We don't need celebrities or philosophers. We need assistant engineers, architects and community reps. We need people who will support and motivate the cause of getting sh*t done.
Engineers and architects are what I'm referring to as philosophers, not 100% legitimate, sitting in a Toga philosophers. Game Designers, essentially.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:45:00 -
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A lot of people asked me to run..like what are you smoking? 1) I'm not dealing with NDA 2) I don't have time 3) I don't want anything to do with cpm, it's not worth it.
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