DUST Search - Planetary Lagquest. 2.0

Zatara Rought wrote:

I've spoken to CCP about this before on several occasions.

Lots of lag is tied to the fact that the players of both sides are from all sorts of various places.

If you were aware recently in order to limit lag in Destiny they even sacrificed having more balanced matchmaking in favor of having les lag by putting you in with people closer to you.

PC doesn't have any way to assuage the problem of having 32 people from all different places being in a match at the same time.

Other parts of lag and framerate are best solved by porting Dust....to be a bit more specific:

The time investment to optimize code in the endeavor of mitigating framerate issues is such a tedious and costly goal that it's unlikely to be made a priority over 'low hanging fruit' objectives that can provide a high yield of value to the community with lower investment of resources.

If something easy can be optimized and make a significant difference, I think CCP would see it as a no brainer and the CPM would unanimously support allocating required resources.

Convincing CCP to go on a wild goose chase hoping they can find the holy grail/one ring is a tall order.

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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.16 14:30:00 - [31] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Looks like the goats you sacrificed benefited me more than you. I was in a PC battle a few days ago against Second Nature and there was no lag. Dead Man's Game tirelessly supporting the community ^^ it feels good to give something back to Dust514 - We currently have a recruitment drive for goat-herders and virgins willing to sacrifce life for Dust
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.17 14:39:00 - [32] - Quote Revive!!! + 90 WP A battle last night between DMG and DDB... several players on BOTH teams disconnected and I know from our view we ran about a slideshow. Is there anything being looked into regarding lag/framerate by CCP... ??? Or am I doing something wrong?? should the goats be virgins?? or the virgins be goats?? All these rituals to have a smooth battle get confusing
Tebu Gan 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 15:44:00 - [33] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Revive!!! + 90 WP A battle last night between DMG and DDB... several players on BOTH teams disconnected and I know from our view we ran about a slideshow. Is there anything being looked into regarding lag/framerate by CCP... ??? Or am I doing something wrong?? should the goats be virgins?? or the virgins be goats?? All these rituals to have a smooth battle get confusing I had a few battles last night (don't remember if you guys were one of them I do ring for DDB as they are my old corp). First battle, few minutes in lag kicked into high gear. OH guys left, got picked back and and put back in, and lag was very tolerable. Next battle though, no lag from me. Love those battles. First battle was that awful bridge map, though while one of the best maps to play on for tankers, terrible on the lag. It's hit or miss, and when that lag starts it's game over for your performance. In the future I'm going to leave and come back into battles and hope this continues to alleviate some of my problems.
Haerr Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2015.07.17 16:35:00 - [34] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Is there anything being looked into regarding lag/framerate by CCP... ??? Wondering about this too. Kocken Fanni Hellsvik hade bra ork när hon fick spela fagott vid fartkontrollen sex stationer innan slutstation Swedish
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 16:48:00 - [35] - Quote We're laughing to keep from crying?! The lag is no laughing matter. PC lag is horrendous, and there's no way of really knowing how bad the enemy team is lagging in comparison o the lag you're experiencing?! Out of goats..... got a fresh shipment of virgins in two days ago?! "Anybody order chaos?"
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge No Context 948	Posted - 2015.07.17 17:23:00 - [36] - Quote Have you all tried sacrificing virgin goats? CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 17:37:00 - [37] - Quote I've spoken to CCP about this before on several occasions. Lots of lag is tied to the fact that the players of both sides are from all sorts of various places. If you were aware recently in order to limit lag in Destiny they even sacrificed having more balanced matchmaking in favor of having les lag by putting you in with people closer to you. PC doesn't have any way to assuage the problem of having 32 people from all different places being in a match at the same time. Other parts of lag and framerate are best solved by porting Dust....to be a bit more specific: The time investment to optimize code in the endeavor of mitigating framerate issues is such a tedious and costly goal that it's unlikely to be made a priority over 'low hanging fruit' objectives that can provide a high yield of value to the community with lower investment of resources. If something easy can be optimized and make a significant difference, I think CCP would see it as a no brainer and the CPM would unanimously support allocating required resources. Convincing CCP to go on a wild goose chase hoping they can find the holy grail/one ring is a tall order. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.17 17:41:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah, all the progression change towards PC doesn't mean jack if you can't enjoy it. Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 17:44:00 - [39] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I've spoken to CCP about this before on several occasions. Lots of lag is tied to the fact that the players of both sides are from all sorts of various places. If you were aware recently in order to limit lag in Destiny they even sacrificed having more balanced matchmaking in favor of having les lag by putting you in with people closer to you. PC doesn't have any way to assuage the problem of having 32 people from all different places being in a match at the same time. Other parts of lag and framerate are best solved by porting Dust....to be a bit more specific: The time investment to optimize code in the endeavor of mitigating framerate issues is such a tedious and costly goal that it's unlikely to be made a priority over 'low hanging fruit' objectives that can provide a high yield of value to the community with lower investment of resources. If something easy can be optimized and make a significant difference, I think CCP would see it as a no brainer and the CPM would unanimously support allocating required resources. Convincing CCP to go on a wild goose chase hoping they can find the holy grail/one ring is a tall order. Give us one good DEV who does nothing but this and hope he finds fixes. I'm sure that's all we'd need and it would be money well spent if ANY improvements were made. Personally I don't believe the majority of the 'lag' people complain about is due to different locations but instead due to FPS issues and memory issues/leaks. I would also suggest that recent updates have made FPS issues even worse then before, so recent changes are having a very negative effect on the game. Public battles have gone from only certain maps giving FPS issues to almost every map giving FPS issues. Overlord of Broman
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:00:00 - [40] - Quote Reality and fact isn't fashioned by your surety or beliefs. Being sure of yourself that all we need is a good dev and that any improvements made would be worth the opportunity cost elsewhere is not a convincing argument. Nor is a personal belief that FPS issues and memory leaks are responsible for the majority of lag. I'd love to see any proof that you have to support your personal beliefs. That would be far more efficacious. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:17:00 - [41] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Reality and fact isn't fashioned by your surety or beliefs. Being sure of yourself that all we need is a good dev and that any improvements made would be worth the opportunity cost elsewhere is not a convincing argument. Nor is a personal belief that FPS issues and memory leaks are responsible for the majority of lag. I'd love to see any proof that you have to support your personal beliefs. That would be far more efficacious. I believe that performance issues is a big issue for a decent size of the community given: a) forum posts b) discussions in game with a players I have interacted with I base my 'belief' of you being wrong about player locations being the primary cause and it being other issues due to: a) my fairly significant programming experience b) my personal observation in game on performance issue behaviour as to when it occurs and what I was doing prior to that i.e. if I move from inside the city to outside the city in a battle the chances of having performance issues greatly increase, especially on certain maps c) the behaviour of PC battles that you can actually leave and rejoin. The players in the battle do not change when you do this but this is almost guranted to vastly reduce FPS performance issues. d) the fact the restarting the PS3 prior to the relog and now just reloging your character prior to a PC battle will vastly reduce you're chances of FPS issues. Overlord of Broman
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:29:00 - [42] - Quote I reiterate, if you have any proof I can take to CCP I'd love to see it. I never said the primary cause of lag was player locations. The people who make the game, and might possibly just know a little more than you...said that that's a major contributor to lag. There could be plenty of explanations why lag is reduced when you relog or rejoin despite perhaps that lag is being affected in a major way by the various locations of the participants. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 18:48:00 - [43] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Reality and fact isn't fashioned by your surety or beliefs. Being sure of yourself that all we need is a good dev and that any improvements made would be worth the opportunity cost elsewhere is not a convincing argument. Nor is a personal belief that FPS issues and memory leaks are responsible for the majority of lag. I'd love to see any proof that you have to support your personal beliefs. That would be far more efficacious. So we do nothing? That's great?! Thanks o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:03:00 - [44] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Reality and fact isn't fashioned by your surety or beliefs. Being sure of yourself that all we need is a good dev and that any improvements made would be worth the opportunity cost elsewhere is not a convincing argument. Nor is a personal belief that FPS issues and memory leaks are responsible for the majority of lag. I'd love to see any proof that you have to support your personal beliefs. That would be far more efficacious. So we do nothing? That's great?! Thanks o7 Quite the contrary. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail official pawn of ArkenaKirkMerc
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:08:00 - [45] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I reiterate, if you have any proof I can take to CCP I'd love to see it. I never said the primary cause of lag was player locations. The people who make the game, and might possibly just know a little more than you...said that that's a major contributor to lag. There could be plenty of explanations why lag is reduced when you relog or rejoin despite perhaps that lag is being affected in a major way by the various locations of the participants. It's impossible for me or other non-devs to get concrete proof IMO; however, logical assumptions due to extended first hand experience is possible. I'm sure location is a contributor to lag; however, if they believe it's a big contributor I believe they're wrong. I may or may not be right. However, there have been past cases where I have seen issues and immediately known the cause while the devs coded these issues in and didn't figure it out until way down the road (i.e. contact lists anyone?). I'm not trying to beat down the devs, they have done some great work, they've also done some shoddy work. I believe that they should prioritize cleaning up shoddy work (i.e. delete all contacts functionality, simple to code yet so useful). Perhaps as a CPM you should push CCP to do an official survey of the player base to find out what the current player base believes are the key issues so that they could put some focus on the communities concerns alongside their overall goals. Overlord of Broman
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.17 19:17:00 - [46] - Quote Just to explain a bit further about the contact list issue, here is what was happening IMO: - Each image associated with a player was being loaded instead of just using the same image for the different race (i.e. 4 races four images, instead of x contacts x images). It actually almost seemed like they sent each image across the network too instead of having it on the client (i would guess this was eve / future plan related). I would love to have a dev confirm this fact :) - Each time you delete a contact it reloaded the entire list. It still does this and it's wrong, just remove that contact from the list after sending the delete command to the server With their fix: - They no long show images and it's much faster. Overlord of Broman
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2015.07.18 06:45:00 - [47] - Quote I have been extremely lucky when it comes to "lag" in the form of Frame Rate Drops, as I basically never experienced it... "Network lag" you can sadly never get rid off, since it is an unfortunate side effect of physics and locations. However, people tend to mix these up (Frame Rate Drops vs Network Lag), especially when they voice their concerns in the forums. Its extremely importaint we separate these terms, as it might lead to miscommunication and confusion, especially when dealing with CCP. Example: - Player complains about "lag" in PC, but is in reality complaining of Frame Rate Drops. - CCP responds that "lag" is due to location and Network quality (which is correct), but in their world "lag" means Network Lag.. Now, CCP are smart people and can probably deduce what the players are really saying, but in bug reports it's important to give as clear descriptions of the problem as possible, to reduce misunderstanding. @CPM: Ask CCP to release their internal terminology of these problems (or whatever they use), so we can give more directed and accurate bug reports. The only thing I hear right now is "lag", "lag", "lag"
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 108	Posted - 2015.07.18 07:10:00 - [48] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Reality and fact isn't fashioned by your surety or beliefs. Being sure of yourself that all we need is a good dev and that any improvements made would be worth the opportunity cost elsewhere is not a convincing argument. Nor is a personal belief that FPS issues and memory leaks are responsible for the majority of lag. I'd love to see any proof that you have to support your personal beliefs. That would be far more efficacious. So we do nothing? That's great?! Thanks o7 Quite the contrary. Were you the CPM member that said they pushed specifically for RR Changes and got them accomplished? Are any of the members pushing specifically for framerate or lag improvement? Because that is the CPM that will win Dust. Everything else seems small in comparison. imo
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.07.18 08:58:00 - [49] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: zDemoncake wrote: You can sacrafice me Unrelated, but nice freaking sig. Angel Beats was actually the first show to make me cry for real. The credits killed me. Cry for real? Over a cartoon? Smdh you guys.... (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Haerr Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2015.07.18 09:34:00 - [50] - Quote WTB Goats Kocken Fanni Hellsvik hade bra ork när hon fick spela fagott vid fartkontrollen sex stationer innan slutstation Swedish

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.19 11:30:00 - [51] - Quote Haerr wrote: WTB Goats Title changed for accuracy. Goat herding outside of DMG in this thread is strictly prohibited, please report to me in-game if you can help as we restock our Goat supply, a battle with 0.H later, luckily dusty5678 should be there, so we have our virgin. Trainwreck forum posting prof.5 Sorry I am too busy to come to the phone right now, I am actually playing the game.
Deputy ReGnUM Bragian Order Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2015.07.19 14:40:00 - [52] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Idk why you would sacrifice virgins? At least take their virginity before sacrificing them Clearly Heim (and person who has like said post) has never bedded with a virgin. The exoticism does not out weigh the costs: Really Bad Sex, Tier 5 clinger, and its just *** messy
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.19 14:57:00 - [53] - Quote That first NAE battle against SN I had unbearable lag. FG shots wouldn't come out (ammo stayed full). I just ended up scanning the entire match.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.19 15:16:00 - [54] - Quote I just flew my Python in 2 PCs last night. The first one the frames were so bad that all I could do was pop uplinks. If you think your frames drop when you're on the ground, you have no idea how bad it gets in the air. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.19 15:39:00 - [55] - Quote I'm just going to leave this here Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2015.07.19 15:44:00 - [56] - Quote Deputy ReGnUM wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Idk why you would sacrifice virgins? At least take their virginity before sacrificing them Clearly Heim (and person who has like said post) has never bedded with a virgin. The exoticism does not out weigh the costs: Really Bad Sex, Tier 5 clinger, and its just *** messy Actually that's what I like about it #smalldikproblems Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro püépü¬püƒpü»tºüpü«pâèpââpâêpéÆsÉ+püäpü+püÖ
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.07.19 15:45:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just going to leave this here Yeah, being on the otherside of that was not much better.. but you gotta love PC, and Regniers sexy voice Trainwreck forum posting prof.5 Sorry I am too busy to come to the phone right now, I am actually playing the game.
Haerr Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2015.07.21 15:51:00 - [58] - Quote You ought to switch that skull in your logo to a goat. Just saying... Kocken Fanni Hellsvik hade bra ork när hon fick spela fagott vid fartkontrollen sex stopp innan slutstation! Swedish
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.07.21 18:16:00 - [59] - Quote I know that every battle has different levels of playability / lag / framerate issues etc... some better than others, however how can anyone seriously get involved when such a wild card as that exists? Scenario: Ok so you get deep into pc, you want to create and train a team that really can take it to the top dogs out there. The challenge is there, the banter, the smack talking even the rewards are forming slowly..... You get into a critical battle and then BOOM - one of the many terrible lag issues strikes. That for me is so off putting. (Not that I am anyone special in this game but I am the kind of guy that would be interested in the challenge) "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa


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