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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:39:00 -
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What ever happened to it?
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
2
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:40:00 -
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I'm still here. What up?
Crush them
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Sned TheDead
Failures inc.
453
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:13:00 -
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o"/"
hi, hi, hi, apocalypse where?
Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:19:00 -
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I definitely see more logis on the field, and they aren't getting smeared quite as often, but wouldn't say they are slaying it up out there.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:24:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:I definitely see more logis on the field, and they aren't getting smeared quite as often, but wouldn't say they are slaying it up out there.
Yep, they are staying alive out there. I even dusted off my Logistics suit.
Sure, my last PC they told me to be a slayer Logi but that was just because I'm a slayer by nature so any suit can potentially become a slayer suit but the fact is I could have slayed a whole lot easier and better if I was in my assault suit.
They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:27:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second. And thanks to tiericide, logis can now fit a halfway decent tank at standard and advanced levels.
Have I mentioned how much I love tiericide? 'Cause I do. A lot.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
879
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:30:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:What ever happened to it?
They dialed back the assault speed nerf to a tolerable level, so there isnt nearly as much overlap of the assault role by logis as I was predicting (however I still think the amarr logi is far better than gal or cal assault now, not because the amarr logi is particularly good, but because the gal and especially cal assault are particularly bad). |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:31:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second. And thanks to tiericide, logis can now fit a halfway decent tank at standard and advanced levels. Have I mentioned how much I love tiericide? 'Cause I do. A lot.
I agree, it's one of the best things to happen in this game for both new and older players.
Scouts aren't worthless at standard, hell most **** in this game isn't worthless at standard anymore.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
879
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:32:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second. And thanks to tiericide, logis can now fit a halfway decent tank at standard and advanced levels. Have I mentioned how much I love tiericide? 'Cause I do. A lot.
Word dude, I just wish they would fix the recharger/energizers/kincats so lower tier suits can reasonably fit them without gimping their fits. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.07.13 17:57:00 -
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I started using the Minmatar when my friend decided to finally play again and use a ton of armor plates.
WPs for days.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Booby Tuesdays
Bad Mother Thukkers
1
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:31:00 -
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In b4 Aeon bitches and moans and throws a temper tantrum for 17 pages. CPM material my ass.
Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
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IR Scifi
Ready to Play
189
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Posted - 2015.07.14 00:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second. And thanks to tiericide, logis can now fit a halfway decent tank at standard and advanced levels. Have I mentioned how much I love tiericide? 'Cause I do. A lot.
Agreed, my min logi is still pretty squishy but at least I don't feel like walking around without a full squad escort is a death sentence anymore. |
Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.14 00:59:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second. And thanks to tiericide, logis can now fit a halfway decent tank at standard and advanced levels. Have I mentioned how much I love tiericide? 'Cause I do. A lot.
tiericide is what happened, as every suit became more viable logies did not gain any specific advantages that they could have if the frames had stayed as they were, now any assault player lacking speed can simply fit a kincat even heavies can fit then without sacrificing much
logis now all have 4 equipment slots encouraging them to carry all the equipment they can making it less viable to fit it as a slayer as wp can be acquired much faster with the equipment
basic frames can now carry two equipment's while still being able to carry a sidearm making them more viable for the slayer logi role although they do not get any speed boost like the logis got making you use kincats to compensate but since you can still fit them without giving much up it doesn't really matter
any suit any role can now be a slayer but since everyone also has more ability to survive the game becomes more tactical making you use any advantages you can get (role specific bonuses) as TTK goes up cheap tactics lower, knifing is harder now and you actually have to aim for the head in most occasions shotguns are now in most cases two shot kills rather then one even with head shots
Bolt pistols that were otherwise considered OP are hardly complained about as much just because people are dying less overall, surviving an ScR attack is more likely now as you have more time to react (run away in most cases)
using proto gear to stomp becomes less viable as std and adv frames can stack more HP relatively cheap making them feel more confident in fighting back and the proto users less confident overall as they could potential lose a lot of isk
stomps matter more about how well a squad or squads can perform rather then the gear they carry
stacking damps is easier for new players that don't like to get scanned and precision mods for the visually impaired (no situational awareness at all)
the playing field is by far more leveled proto suits still get advantages but its up to the player to use them well, rather then just having a huge margin of error
dust is good and getting better especially for new players but I think the middle class of dust benefited the most which is overall good as matches can now be more even (to a degree as many players are still stuck in a no risk mindset)
thats how I see it
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:17:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:They got it right, Logistics suits are no longer defenseless waste of an ISK sink and for all that ISK a Logi suit requires you're damn right I want it to be able to hold it's own for a second. And thanks to tiericide, logis can now fit a halfway decent tank at standard and advanced levels. Have I mentioned how much I love tiericide? 'Cause I do. A lot.
Just to clarify, tiercide never actually happened, as tiers still exist.
When tiercide was first proposed people meant the complete elimination of tiers altogether.
We could call what we have a form of "limited tiercide" as BSC and ADV got a huge buff, so the tiers are much closer together.
So, close enough I suppose.
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DAAAA BEAST
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.14 02:44:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:What ever happened to it?
They ... hum , adapted.
CEO of Corrosive Synergy
Preacher of FUN ,Teacher of LOLs
Min Loyalist
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.14 02:48:00 -
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I think without a doubt you put your slayers in assault suits, but I believe you need a logi or two to make a squad really shine. |
xavier zor
Second-Nature
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Posted - 2015.07.14 02:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think without a doubt you put your slayers in assault suits, but I believe you need a logi or two to make a squad really shine.
Nah, perfect squad would be some assaults, a scout, and a vehicle player
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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GeorgeN76
Eden Claims Corp
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:06:00 -
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Cant believe I'm saying this but the starter fits are fun to use now. It was like a punishment before.
Scouts and Swarms
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:15:00 -
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I have never, not ever, during any build or incarnation of the game...had trouble staying alive in my logi suit. Okay well, maybe time after calogi was dumbed down and I skilled into it for the nanohive bonus, which I promptly respecced. True they weren't killing machines, but smart play and choosing your battles has always worked for me. I noticed my survivability has increased, but not by leaps and bounds. Overall, I just play the same as I always have lol.
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gekko k
Grundstein Automation
Property of Negative-Impact
80
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:46:00 -
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I went 19/1 in a gal logi tonight. Was probably lucky, but still, there's your logi apocalypse. |
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
883
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:49:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:I have never, not ever, during any build or incarnation of the game...had trouble staying alive in my logi suit. Okay well, maybe time after calogi was dumbed down and I skilled into it for the nanohive bonus, which I promptly respecced. True they weren't killing machines, but smart play and choosing your battles has always worked for me. I noticed my survivability has increased, but not by leaps and bounds. Overall, I just play the same as I always have lol.
Maybe the problem wasnt how you did in your logi suit, but how you did in your assault/scout suits, because if you speed fit (1 or 2 kincats) the assaults or damp up on the scouts, it becomes REALLY easy to survive most matches. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:13:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think without a doubt you put your slayers in assault suits, but I believe you need a logi or two to make a squad really shine. Nah, perfect squad would be some assaults, a scout, and a vehicle player
I guess you are correct. With the 8 and 16 man squads an Amarr Scout should be pretty useful, no real need for a galogi. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:31:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:xavier zor wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think without a doubt you put your slayers in assault suits, but I believe you need a logi or two to make a squad really shine. Nah, perfect squad would be some assaults, a scout, and a vehicle player I guess you are correct. With the 8 and 16 man squads an Amarr Scout should be pretty useful, no real need for a galogi.
It's actually the opposite
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.14 05:51:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:xavier zor wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think without a doubt you put your slayers in assault suits, but I believe you need a logi or two to make a squad really shine. Nah, perfect squad would be some assaults, a scout, and a vehicle player I guess you are correct. With the 8 and 16 man squads an Amarr Scout should be pretty useful, no real need for a galogi. It's actually the opposite
I'm a bit confused.
If he proposed this, then what's stopping the former from becoming any better with more squadmates?
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
7
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Posted - 2015.07.14 05:58:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:xavier zor wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think without a doubt you put your slayers in assault suits, but I believe you need a logi or two to make a squad really shine. Nah, perfect squad would be some assaults, a scout, and a vehicle player I guess you are correct. With the 8 and 16 man squads an Amarr Scout should be pretty useful, no real need for a galogi. It's actually the opposite I'm a bit confused. If he proposed this, then what's stopping the former from becoming any better with more squadmates?
The Amarr Scout has strong short scans that could be enhanced with amplifiers but with the nerf to them its just a useless module. Sure you can be a strong passive scanner but with such short scans you'd practically have to be on top of the enemy to provide and recon information.
While if you were a gallogi all you'd have to do is stand about 100m away and point to get a location of your enemy which can further be increased by having multiple scanners. Now if Range Amplifiers were brought back to their old stats then I could see the Amarr Scout as something other than an uplink fit for the first few seconds of a match.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:10:00 -
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I think you are underestimating passive scans. I know I have for quite some time. But I've recently seen the light on some pretty creative, off the wall fits. I'd have made fun of people for suggesting what we were pulling off in a squad a few nights ago. |
xavier zor
Second-Nature
Negative-Feedback
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:16:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think you are underestimating passive scans. I know I have for quite some time. But I've recently seen the light on some pretty creative, off the wall fits. I'd have made fun of people for suggesting what we were pulling off in a squad a few nights ago.
My 'dream team' squad (pubs) would be an assault ak.0, assault ck.0, a python pilot and a scout mk.0.
2 slayers, air support and a sneaky mofo to drop links,speed hack and flank.
edit: scans are for noobs 
/flamewar started
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:18:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think you are underestimating passive scans. I know I have for quite some time. But I've recently seen the light on some pretty creative, off the wall fits. I'd have made fun of people for suggesting what we were pulling off in a squad a few nights ago. My 'dream team' squad (pubs) would be an assault ak.0, assault ck.0, a python pilot and a scout mk.0. 2 slayers, air support and a sneaky mofo to drop links,speed hack and flank. edit: scans are for noobs /flamewar started
I'm pretty scrubby, you know me. I'll take all the help I can get. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:19:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think you are underestimating passive scans. I know I have for quite some time. But I've recently seen the light on some pretty creative, off the wall fits. I'd have made fun of people for suggesting what we were pulling off in a squad a few nights ago.
I've ran the scout since its inception up until a few weeks after the Ewar changes and from what I know the only thing that has changed with the Amarr Scout is its base stamina stats. Other than that both its defined role and pseudo role is done better by the logi class.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
Negative-Feedback
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:20:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:xavier zor wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think you are underestimating passive scans. I know I have for quite some time. But I've recently seen the light on some pretty creative, off the wall fits. I'd have made fun of people for suggesting what we were pulling off in a squad a few nights ago. My 'dream team' squad (pubs) would be an assault ak.0, assault ck.0, a python pilot and a scout mk.0. 2 slayers, air support and a sneaky mofo to drop links,speed hack and flank. edit: scans are for noobs /flamewar started I'm pretty scrubby, you know me. I'll take all the help I can get.
back in our molon days!
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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