So what if she isn't a huge fan of shooters or even isn't generally good at them? It takes all kinds to find bugs, and someone who doesn't know what they're doing may find something someone who is great at the game would never have done because 'why would you even do that?' It's diversity in interest and a broad spectrum of skill in your testers that finds you the most bugs.

If you're going to complain about certain bugs not being fixed, complain at the people in charge of actually dealing with the bugs, not the playtesters who file the reports and send them in but have no control beyond 'hey guys, I found this.'

Hundreds of hours spent testing a patch won't catch the glitches found in the first day of production. I'm not saying we should just accept every bug Dust has, just that we shouldn't harass testers.

I wish we could have our own testing server like Eve Online. Won't happen on PS3 though.

yah i have nothing for this....

it would help if they tested ON PS3 rahter than an overpowered PC development rig

Certain bug are you kiddin-¦ me.
Boyko this game is big buggy fc\_/kf3st since beta.
I do not have anything against diversity of test team, but heck after that time it looks like diversity is quite contra.
And that is what majority of this treat right now think.
What if your team full of diversity actually dont see issues in game because that diversity and not direct focus?

Diversity is good, but if you dont have directed focus?!
That diversity will change itself to chaos.
"I saw something there and here and another one saw that over there..", is that that good?
Direct focus is more pragmatical:"We will solve all glichtes about garphics now and next quartal we will take a look on servers issues.", yup it is maybe slower but you will cover whole field and not just spots.

Hundreds of hours spent testing a patch won't catch the glitches found in the first day of production. I'm not saying we should just accept every bug Dust has, just that we shouldn't harass testers.

I wish we could have our own testing server like Eve Online. Won't happen on PS3 though.

I'm sorry, but you're talking to me based on your opinions. You don't actually know what the testing process is like. The playtesters can't possibly hope to focus on central points because the playtesters, in most cases, don't know the code or how something is supposed to function. The playtesters are, usually, average people paid to play the game and give feedback. They will be given the game, told to play a specific part of the game, and will do so for hours on end until it's time to go home or they're told to try out another segment. If they find a bug and are asked to recreate it, they will do so.

It is at the direction of whoever is supervising the tests that they try out specific portions of the game, though there are testers who are given a broader leash and are allowed to check through casual play. But even if you have a hundred people working in one specific area they may not find some things. Even ones that may seem glaringly wrong to us. And even if they do find it, bugs aren't as easy as a snap of the fingers to fix. Some bugs may take weeks or months to finally figure out what was causing the problem. Some bugs may never get fixed in the game's entire lifetime. And with how poorly written we know the original devs made this game, not a single person should be bashing CCP Pheonix because she was a playtester and there are still bugs in the game. In no scenario is it the fault of the playtester that these bugs aren't dealt with. The fault lies with the original devs. The ones we've got now seem to be working pretty damn hard.

the "testers" also dont ever get to test a final launch build, they are givin bits and pieces at a time that may mor may not even end up in the launch build, and alot of the time arnt givin pieces at all due to CCPs development structure.

they arnt givin anything to do with dropsuit/weapon/module/vehicle stat changes because those are done by running a script that changes the values on the servers.

they dont test events, becuase those are done the same way

they cant test for lag... no acess

they were givin maps... but we dont have that anymore.

and they cant test for how pieces of an update interact with each other... becuase they arnt givin final builds to test. blame CCP here becuase they will be changing crap right up untill the deadline to submit to sony.

Ghost is likely talking out his ass unless he is claiming he worked at CCP Shanghai as a tester at one point in recent history.

Ghost is likely talking out his ass unless he is claiming he worked at CCP Shanghai as a tester at one point in recent history.

And in that specific portion of game they see framerate issues.
And in that specific portion of game they see lag.
And in that specific portion of game they see invisible walls.
And in that specific portion of game they see DCs.
Etc etc etc

After writing a whole devblog about Bandwidth, hundreds of threads, Q&As, etc.. they put all suits with the same BW no matter their tier or role.

Since that day, I knew there was absolutely no one testing the game. (I also got banned for saying that).
So.. I don't know what to think about this too...

the "testers" also dont ever get to test a final launch build, they are givin bits and pieces at a time that may mor may not even end up in the launch build, and alot of the time arnt givin pieces at all due to CCPs development structure.

they arnt givin anything to do with dropsuit/weapon/module/vehicle stat changes because those are done by running a script that changes the values on the servers.

they dont test events, becuase those are done the same way

they cant test for lag... no acess

they were givin maps... but we dont have that anymore.

and they cant test for how pieces of an update interact with each other... becuase they arnt givin final builds to test. blame CCP here becuase they will be changing crap right up untill the deadline to submit to sony.

Design decisions has nothing to do with any kind of testing.

Finding problems is one thing. Solving them is something else.

Hundreds of hours spent testing a patch won't catch the glitches found in the first day of production. I'm not saying we should just accept every bug Dust has, just that we shouldn't harass testers.

I wish we could have our own testing server like Eve Online. Won't happen on PS3 though.

I love how everyone seems to be missing the later part of this sentence, primarily the fact that she is now a producer instead.

What really should be asked here is why are old devs being moved to **** VR projects and bug testers are being moved to production leaving testing positions vacated.

We already saw in the last dev spotlight that there is one guy managing the testing team who also seem to be the bug fix team, managing the PSN store, and taking part in the submission team.

Now we see that previous testers who were obviously tasked with fixes as well are being moved to production positions along with the fact that atleast from the outside there is no growth in the Dust team.



How long is CCP going to be able to mismanage the hell out of this game before we start waking up?

How long is CCP going to be able to mismanage the hell out of this game before we start waking up?