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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:41:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:No, it's theft. Fraud is a specific form of theft. Scamming is also theft, but in Eve it's specifically allowed, I've not seen such an exemption in any of the Dust Terms of Use allowing it though.
It's possible that CCP is just assuming that you would know by now that any game based in New Eden will allow scams, theft, corporate espionage, ransoming, and even suicide ganking.
But I feel it would be best if CCP would just update the ToS for Dust to reflect that. This way, people wouldn't be so confused about it.
But it's also possible that CCP may not have included that little detail at the time of writing because everyone assumed that Dust will not have a secondary market and thus no point in mentioning about scams. But then all of a sudden CCP Rattati comes in and BAAAMMM! we got a secondary market now.
PS: But even CCP has its limits on what type of asshattery is to be allowed. Impersonation is not allowed. Scamming with codes is not allowed. I don't think scamming in the character bazaar in Eve is allowed (but I could be wrong).
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:43:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:Jack the Rlpper wrote:Between yesterday and today Ive lost 15mil isk and 2 skins. 15 Mil to Ali lol99 and 2 skins to a David L33 who is working wth whiteguy pasty white. I'd suggest you raise a ticket, there's nothing in the Terms of Service or Rules of Conduct to allow it and if the trade mechanic is broken and is how this was done, then they may return your stuff.
Just so you know, even though the ToS doesn't say anything about it, CCP Rattati posted on the forums a long time ago that scamming is expected and everyone assumed that CCP will not respond to any petitions about that sort of stuff.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:50:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:This is particularly relevant to this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jonstone/make-love-not-warcraft#.xqy4xwvenyGod I hope that's a joke, as it could have rather frightening implications for EvE in particular, but many other online games.... Of course, if something like this does end up happening, be it in 2 years, 5 years or 10 years then EvE, or whatever takes its place if it's not around any more will probably cry as their customer base of loyal sociopaths evaporates when the first court case comes through. Could be pretty funny.....
Not going to happen. First off, Eve Online is played globally. How will you even convince the country to even charge the player if the developers were the ones that allowed it in the first place? Do you have any idea how many players in Eve steal and scam? You can safely assume almost all of them barring the new players. And even the new players will eventually turn to the dark side of Eve. You will have to practically arrest everyone who plays Eve Online because everything in Eve is tied somehow to real-world cash via the PLEX system.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.14 21:00:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:This is particularly relevant to this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jonstone/make-love-not-warcraft#.xqy4xwvenyGod I hope that's a joke, as it could have rather frightening implications for EvE in particular, but many other online games.... Of course, if something like this does end up happening, be it in 2 years, 5 years or 10 years then EvE, or whatever takes its place if it's not around any more will probably cry as their customer base of loyal sociopaths evaporates when the first court case comes through. Could be pretty funny..... Not going to happen. First off, Eve Online is played globally. How will you even convince the country to even charge the player if the developers were the ones that allowed it in the first place? Do you have any idea how many players in Eve steal and scam? You can safely assume almost all of them barring the new players. And even the new players will eventually turn to the dark side of Eve. You will have to practically arrest everyone who plays Eve Online because everything in Eve is tied somehow to real-world cash via the PLEX system. That's why it would be funny. :) Though to answer your question, the same way Microsoft and Google and Apple keep getting screwed by the EU for unfair business practices/lack of ethics. You operate globally, you have to abide by the laws of the country you're operating it. Don't get me wrong, it would only apply to people from the specific country, I can't see anyone but the US trying for extradition over something like that, but that would just make it funnier. Like I said, it would be hysterical. Though I have been playing EvE for over 6 years and I have yet to scam anyone. Ganked a few times. Never scammed.
You ganked? So you're a pirate like me. You cost a player their money as you attacked unprovoked. Welcome to the dark side of Eve Online.
PS: Eve Online and Dust 514 seem to present a unique set of legal challenges here for the industry.
PPS: I wonder how many players get scammed out of their own PLEX that they paid cash for when they accept certain contracts. Even the regional markets seem to be teeming with scams as buyers set orders to some value that looks like a high value but is not. If a player is too much in a hurry and fire sells the PLEX without checking, bye bye PLEX.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.14 21:38:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:This thread makes my day, as i have recently settled a fraudulent claims/failure to produce suit involving my farm and the feed mill i used to buy from.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Fraud at times can be theft, and fraud at times, will not be theft.
As well as theft at times can have fraudulent roots, where as other times is just straight boosting something.
If you have to argue for days about it, i suggest you go to law school.
And finally,
LOLOLOLOLOL.
Law school doesn't teach you jack **** about what happens when you become a victim of scamming and theft in a game that allows it because the devs allow it. We are talking about outliers here. Or as I call it, the grey areas of the video game industry. Is it really punishable in the real world when you commit a crime in a game that clearly allows it like Eve Online? If I were to scam you right now or rob your player corporation's ISK and assets in Eve, will that mean you can file charges against me in the real world court?
Unlike actual real-world farms like you mentioned, laws are not clearly defined when it comes to in-game shenanigans like you see here in Dust or Eve. Even if the law becomes updated later on to make them clearly defined, would the law accommodate for developers who actually allow such shenanigans in their games?
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