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Boot Booter
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:03:00 -
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Compared to other smgs...
Less dps
Less rounds in clip
Less damage in clip
Higher fitting costs
+2 effective range.
This used to be my favorite gun and now it's unusuable. In fact all smgs are practically worthless now, but thats anothet story. |
Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:04:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Compared to other smgs...
Less dps
Less rounds in clip
Less damage in clip
Higher fitting costs
+2 effective range.
This used to be my favorite gun and now it's unusuable. In fact all smgs are practically worthless now, but thats anothet story.
welcome to the club.
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Raven-747
WarRavens
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:12:00 -
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Idk about the dps or etc etc, the assault smg's firing sound seems quite impressive to me 
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Jakkal Shoobah
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:41:00 -
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Dude smgs are the only sidearm with a projectile profile. Sidearms are usually meant to finish targets. Projectile weapons finish the second best. You can actually aim a smg unlock the flaylock with its explosive profile.
Do I need really need to explain more ? Assault smgs do suck but smgs in general are fine.
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Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:42:00 -
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I've always liked the basic SMG, the toxin to specific, just because it's one of the first side arm weapons I skilled into because it was on my starter fit. It being free didn't hurt any either. It can hit fast moving targets well, and once you skill into it's range isn't half bad. A clip can and will melt threw most heavies, especially if you already taken out their shields with your primary weapon first. Even without softening up a heavy though if you get behind/surprise them and aim high most your shots will be head shots and they go down like a sack of potato's.
I will admit it lacks the awesome power of some of the other side arms, but the standard SMG isn't bad. I just don't like the assault because of the lower ROF. High RoF and ability to hit those pesky dancing, jumping scouts is why I have the SMG in the first place. I will say the SMG is one of those weapons though that isn't that great until you skill into it heavily though. Not just the dmg increase, but accuracy, range, clip size, reload etc all help it to be truly effective. W/O the sharp shooter skill it's drop off is pretty low, but with it it's almost as good as a riffle. |
DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:00:00 -
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The basic SMG and Breach SMG are as good as ever. The Assault SMG is actually a very excellent weapon for mid distance combat. It is between the basic SMG and MagSec SMG. This fits its Caldari origin.
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Boot Booter
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:58:00 -
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Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg.
"but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah"
Whatever.
Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.
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Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:10:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg.
"but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah"
Whatever.
Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.
That is one of my biggest complaints about side arms, they cost too much. Both in isk and in CPU/PG. I don't mind side arms doing sub par dmg to light and heavy weapons. To me that makes sense. A pistol shouldn't compare to a riffle and a sub machine gun shouldn't out dmg a belt fed mini gun. It should however be significantly cheaper and easier to wield.
I almost never use advanced and proto side arms. The cost is just to high for a weapon that you 'might'' use. Especially given the long delay to switch weapons, if you don't already have them out most of the time your dead any ways. Once you get a few points into rapid reload it's faster to reload than to switch weapons in most cases. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:28:00 -
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I haven't tried to use a non breach smg in at least 6 months. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:29:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg.
"but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah"
Whatever.
Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.
That is one of my biggest complaints about side arms, they cost too much. Both in isk and in CPU/PG. I don't mind side arms doing sub par dmg to light and heavy weapons. To me that makes sense. A pistol shouldn't compare to a riffle and a sub machine gun shouldn't out dmg a belt fed mini gun. It should however be significantly cheaper and easier to wield. I almost never use advanced and proto side arms. The cost is just to high for a weapon that you 'might'' use. Especially given the long delay to switch weapons, if you don't already have them out most of the time your dead any ways. Once you get a few points into rapid reload it's faster to reload than to switch weapons in most cases.
A breach scrambler pistol is something you can lead with and it has a low fitting cost. I pull it out if I am waiting on someone to come through a doorway for example.
I suggest working with your sidearms more often. |
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Boot Booter
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.08 21:31:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg.
"but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah"
Whatever.
Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.
That is one of my biggest complaints about side arms, they cost too much. Both in isk and in CPU/PG. I don't mind side arms doing sub par dmg to light and heavy weapons. To me that makes sense. A pistol shouldn't compare to a riffle and a sub machine gun shouldn't out dmg a belt fed mini gun. It should however be significantly cheaper and easier to wield. I almost never use advanced and proto side arms. The cost is just to high for a weapon that you 'might'' use. Especially given the long delay to switch weapons, if you don't already have them out most of the time your dead any ways. Once you get a few points into rapid reload it's faster to reload than to switch weapons in most cases. A breach scrambler pistol is something you can lead with and it has a low fitting cost. I pull it out if I am waiting on someone to come through a doorway for example. I suggest working with your sidearms more often.
The pistols are in a much better place than the smgs because they have higher dps amd alpha. ItaIt's not about leading off or anything else. The math just doesnt add up.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:03:00 -
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You're not using it right. You can wipeout an enemy in seconds. Much faster than breach and std. You just have to land all the bullets. And the range makes it more of a tactical sidearm. Ads and use at a distance I quickly pick enemies away.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:08:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg.
"but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah"
Whatever.
Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.
That is one of my biggest complaints about side arms, they cost too much. Both in isk and in CPU/PG. I don't mind side arms doing sub par dmg to light and heavy weapons. To me that makes sense. A pistol shouldn't compare to a riffle and a sub machine gun shouldn't out dmg a belt fed mini gun. It should however be significantly cheaper and easier to wield. I almost never use advanced and proto side arms. The cost is just to high for a weapon that you 'might'' use. Especially given the long delay to switch weapons, if you don't already have them out most of the time your dead any ways. Once you get a few points into rapid reload it's faster to reload than to switch weapons in most cases. A breach scrambler pistol is something you can lead with and it has a low fitting cost. I pull it out if I am waiting on someone to come through a doorway for example. I suggest working with your sidearms more often. The pistols are in a much better place than the smgs because they have higher dps amd alpha. ItaIt's not about leading off or anything else. The math just doesnt add up.
They are both the same as far as variants go. There are the Breach versions and then there are the others. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:09:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:You're not using it right. You can wipeout an enemy in seconds. Much faster than breach and std. You just have to land all the bullets. And the range makes it more of a tactical sidearm. Ads and use at a distance I quickly pick enemies away.
There were dudes getting PLC kills a year ago, that doesn't mean it was a good weapon. |
DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.07.08 23:11:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:You're not using it right. You can wipeout an enemy in seconds. Much faster than breach and std. You just have to land all the bullets. And the range makes it more of a tactical sidearm. Ads and use at a distance I quickly pick enemies away. There were dudes getting PLC kills a year ago, that doesn't mean it was a good weapon.
Unlike the other SMG's the Assault SMG excels when there is a distance between you and your target and it becomes progressively worse as that distance decreases. It has a decent range in which it kills efficiently, but unlike the other SMG's it is not good at CQC.
Again, this is because it is a Caldari weapon and not Minmatar.
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.08 23:48:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Compared to other smgs... Less dps Less rounds in clip Less damage in clip Higher fitting costs +2 effective range. This used to be my favorite gun and now it's unusuable. In fact all smgs are practically worthless now, but thats another story. Edit: No its not another story! Here to prrove my point, you can see how hard the nerf hammer hit the smg back in hotfix delta. The smg falls well beliw the range vs dps curve of other sidearms with the assault smg being the most worthless of them all. Hotfix Delta
Its ok,we get that you have no skills in decent weapons. The assault smg is my favorite,blast a dude with a shotgun and saw away his armour,guaranteed next time he spawns its a proto gal logi with scanners
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Boot Booter
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.09 21:01:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Compared to other smgs... Less dps Less rounds in clip Less damage in clip Higher fitting costs +2 effective range. This used to be my favorite gun and now it's unusuable. In fact all smgs are practically worthless now, but thats another story. Edit: No its not another story! Here to prrove my point, you can see how hard the nerf hammer hit the smg back in hotfix delta. The smg falls well beliw the range vs dps curve of other sidearms with the assault smg being the most worthless of them all. Hotfix Delta Its ok,we get that you have no skills in decent weapons. The assault smg is my favorite,blast a dude with a shotgun and saw away his armour,guaranteed next time he spawns its a proto gal logi with scanners
Lol i guarantee i am better than you with every weapon
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.09 22:03:00 -
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Bolt Pistol.
Now that's a sidearm.
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