DUST Search - Assault smg is still worthless

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg.

"but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah"

Whatever.

Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.

That is one of my biggest complaints about side arms, they cost too much. Both in isk and in CPU/PG. I don't mind side arms doing sub par dmg to light and heavy weapons. To me that makes sense. A pistol shouldn't compare to a riffle and a sub machine gun shouldn't out dmg a belt fed mini gun. It should however be significantly cheaper and easier to wield.

I almost never use advanced and proto side arms. The cost is just to high for a weapon that you 'might'' use. Especially given the long delay to switch weapons, if you don't already have them out most of the time your dead any ways. Once you get a few points into rapid reload it's faster to reload than to switch weapons in most cases.

A breach scrambler pistol is something you can lead with and it has a low fitting cost. I pull it out if I am waiting on someone to come through a doorway for example.

I suggest working with your sidearms more often.


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Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 18:03:00 - [1] - Quote Compared to other smgs... Less dps Less rounds in clip Less damage in clip Higher fitting costs +2 effective range. This used to be my favorite gun and now it's unusuable. In fact all smgs are practically worthless now, but thats anothet story.
Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 19:58:00 - [2] - Quote Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg. "but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah" Whatever. Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days.
Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 21:31:00 - [3] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Meh i dont expect you guys to understand. Back in the days when duvolle was king and the min assault only got a bonus to sidearms clip, i was running around with two assault smgs. Those were the good old days. Now a basic assault combat rifle has higher dps and range for over half the fitting cost of an adv smg. In 95% of engagements you're better off dipping in some cover and reloading than pulling out a smg. "but ones a primary and ones a sidearm, blah blah" Whatever. Guess i was having some nostalgia and tried a dual smg fit only to be very disappointed. Overall smg range is terrible, which is highlighted by their low dps. Some people forget how hard they got nerfed back in the sidearm balancing days. That is one of my biggest complaints about side arms, they cost too much. Both in isk and in CPU/PG. I don't mind side arms doing sub par dmg to light and heavy weapons. To me that makes sense. A pistol shouldn't compare to a riffle and a sub machine gun shouldn't out dmg a belt fed mini gun. It should however be significantly cheaper and easier to wield. I almost never use advanced and proto side arms. The cost is just to high for a weapon that you 'might'' use. Especially given the long delay to switch weapons, if you don't already have them out most of the time your dead any ways. Once you get a few points into rapid reload it's faster to reload than to switch weapons in most cases. A breach scrambler pistol is something you can lead with and it has a low fitting cost. I pull it out if I am waiting on someone to come through a doorway for example. I suggest working with your sidearms more often. The pistols are in a much better place than the smgs because they have higher dps amd alpha. ItaIt's not about leading off or anything else. The math just doesnt add up.
Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.09 21:01:00 - [4] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Compared to other smgs... Less dps Less rounds in clip Less damage in clip Higher fitting costs +2 effective range. This used to be my favorite gun and now it's unusuable. In fact all smgs are practically worthless now, but thats another story. Edit: No its not another story! Here to prrove my point, you can see how hard the nerf hammer hit the smg back in hotfix delta. The smg falls well beliw the range vs dps curve of other sidearms with the assault smg being the most worthless of them all. Hotfix Delta Its ok,we get that you have no skills in decent weapons. The assault smg is my favorite,blast a dude with a shotgun and saw away his armour,guaranteed next time he spawns its a proto gal logi with scanners Lol i guarantee i am better than you with every weapon