Pubs are not supposed to be profitable.

Want to make money? Play FW.

FW battle.
Lost 30 000 Isk.
Earned 1600 lp and 40 000 isk.

Think it's way too profitable, don't you?

Go to FW Thokk.

Payout for me is 5400 LP; and if I die once in my fully fitted FW gear, I make a profit.

FW Proto suit costs approximately 40K (And 1K LP). The payout for that is 70K or so.


Or go balls deep in an APEX suit. :/

Pubs are not supposed to be profitable.

Want to make money? Play FW.

My last comment didn't apply to you. Obviously, you HAVE common sense. And yeah, that 10k net profit is just RAKING IT IN! LOL

The things is when I die in my kaala scout I get back more ISK than I lose.
And 1600 lp equals 500 000 isk in proto suits.
That will be 510 000 for me.

You can earn way more using pure apex + boosters.

Pubs are not supposed to be profitable.

Want to make money? Play FW.

The things is when I die in my kaala scout I get back more ISK than I lose.
And 1600 lp equals 500 000 isk in proto suits.
That will be 510 000 for me.

You can earn way more using pure apex + boosters.

But how many matches do you have to run to get enough LP to even afford a suit? Maxing one out will take forever and, I will admit, I never die only once. Hell, 5-6 deaths a match is good for me. LOL

All I ever see you do is Thale, do you do other stuff?

BTW you are one of the few snipers I'd want on my side. You put in solid work.

So basically Apex/BPO is required to make a profit in FW because of the payment system. Grinding to get enough LP to put a fit together to make a profit will require burning a LOT of ISK gear which means I have to have the funds to do so. The only place I am going to get that without running starter fits in FW is by making ISK in the pubs.

You can run STD and ADV suits to break even.
Hell, no need to run PRO gear unless it's the LP variant.

Are the LP variants basically an Officer or Proto BPO? Like I said, I've never ran FW. I play solo most of the time because I only get a small window of time during the morning before I come to work due to my schedule. I can't mic up because during that time I am also watching my little girl. And FW queues take forever from what I'm seeing. I don't want to log on for an hour and only get 1 match in. At that rate it would take me 6 months to get enough LP for just a suit.

I've never played FW and I guess I was under the impression you pretty much HAD to bring your Protogear to have a chance because everyone is running Proto.

What exactly is the ISK payout? Isn't it 40% of lost assets in a win and 20% of lost assets in a loss? There is no actual ISK payout like there is in Pubs, right?

The LP variants are basically AUR versions of suits.

Well I usually get a couple matches in the morning (PST) and a few in the afternoon.

But if FW isn't your thing, or can't do it, I don't know what to say. :(

The ISK value of all destroyed items in a battle is a factor in your end of match payout so theoretically the tiericide means that we'll see higher payouts. (Assuming no adjustments were made to the base reward and mercs fitting as efficiently as possible.)

I made a lot of money scrubbing in standard suits in pubs.

im shocked and appaled DUST community. You took a prefect shitflinging competition and turned it into a reasonable discusiion. what is the world coming to.

So, now that we have slot optimization, people have a natural tendency to want to fill every slot even with lower gear to max out potential. Becsuse of that, each suit (outside the protos) is going to be costing more money when it is lost.

That said, I think there needs to be a bump in payouts (there should have been a long time ago. This is just one more reason.) If I am 4th on the winning team in WP, I don't understand how 9 kills and 4 assists in a regular ambush equals a 145k payout.

Next match, get stomped, go 1/6 with 120 WP and get a payout of 142k.

Here is my suggestion for bumping payouts to be fair to everyone on the team as long as you are trying to contribute.

They need to have a baseline of, say, 200k. If you have either:

1: 300 WP

2: A combined total of kills and deaths of 4 or higher (you may die 7 times without killing someone and earning no WP but at least you are trying.

You will always get a minimum of 200k of you meet one of the two parameters. Then take the WP and multiply it by 150 and add them together.. This would put 3000 WP at the base of 200k + WP bonus of 3000 WP x 150 = 450k for a total of 650,000.

Even if you only contribute 500 WP, with the baseline you are still banking 275k. This is a substantial enough boost that even getting protostomped will net some money.

To prevent absolutely absurd payouts, a stepdown approach can be implemented. Above 3000 is x 75. So if you had, say, 6000 WP.

3000 WP x 150 = 450000
3000 WP x 75 = 225000

So now you have the baseline of 200k + the 675k for 6000 WP for a total of 875k. That is perfectly reasonable for a 6000 WP match.

To assist the slayers (since this would benefit Logis the most since WP is easiest to come by for them) have a payout bonus of 5k per kill. 50 kills is 250k plus the WP payout. WP for 50 kills is 2500 WP which would be 375k. 375k + 250k for the kill bounty + 200k baseline is 825,000, which I feel is reasonable foe a 50 kill match (add in kill assists, hacks, etc and that could go up even more.

This can scale up and down so even the person with 5 kills and 300 WP is getting rewarded sufficiently for his/her efforts.

I am just tired of playing a whole match and, due to whatever reason, being 9th on the leaderboard with 530 WP and getting an 82,000 ISK payout.

The negative of this is the blueprint loophole. Die 4 times in a free suit, 200k pure profit. However, someone can do that now and, depending on the match, can get a patout of 130k.

The baseline of 200k is just spitballing to give some ideas of how it would work. All I know is I am tired of 65k or 102k payout just because one logi w/ a reptool racked up 5000 WP.

If you want to completely load out your fit-cough- "loadouts" then go ahead that's at YOUR expense cause its YOUR risk in the battle YOUR fighting.... you have to afford what you put on your suits. If you can't then find what isn't needed and strip it off