Why not just have the suit skill level open up the power of the suit then pay a standard low fee for the suit and just charge more for the complex modules? It'd do the same thing as having to pay for a proto suit.

The idea is just like skins. Make it so there are as few models as possible for the game to store in memory during the match.

Current models (sorry if I am off)

Amarr Logi:

MLT logi
Basic Logi x 4 (ISK, AUR, LP, Templar BPO)
ADV Logi x 3 (ISK, AUR LP)
PRO Logi x 4 (ISK, AUR, LP, APEX)


Basically even tho these are all very similar suits there is now 12 variations of that suit that may be dumped into the memory on the PS3 wasting space for maps and vehicle models and stuff. Out of 32 people you are likely to see 20+ different models on the field currently.

The idea with skins was to merge each level down to 1 model per level reducing that 12 to 4.

The idea with power cores is to take it so that total we end up going from 12 down to 1 for each model. If you multiply this across every suit in the game you get a MASSIVE memory reduction freeing up who knows what % of memory currently being used. If you assume we are going from 20 models on the field at a time to 8 or 10 the change is very much noticeable.

Sorry if I left out a couple of BPOs on the basic level as that would add even more models but you get the idea.

Why not just have the suit skill level open up the power of the suit then pay a standard low fee for the suit and just charge more for the complex modules? It'd do the same thing as having to pay for a proto suit.

If a person has earned the skill points then they should get that level of suit. It doesn't create an imbalance any more than now if they have to fork over more isk to have the best abilities through the modules. If anything, just lower the number of slots on the suits and jack the power up on the complex modules if stacking lower tier mods is a concern.

I know. I get the concept. I'm saying why add another element to the game to open the suits power (tier) rather than just adjust balance between the skill level, mod tier power and isk cost.

I hate to be that guy but:
More oxford commas please. I can't understand what you're saying

and user experience. Much easier to pop in a adv powercore and fit more stuff, than to always create a new loadout and much fewer unique dropsuits in your assets.

That has nothing to do with ps3 memory space.

and user experience. Much easier to pop in a adv powercore and fit more stuff, than to always create a new loadout and much fewer unique dropsuits in your assets.

Refer to my last post.

Maybe, just maybe, you are misunderstanding something.

Good Lord! Look, you make the generic suit as with the power core idea. You don't make the power core. You instead just make the dropsuit skill level dictate the CPU/PG and then up the price and power cost of the modules to offset the isk expenditures rather than the power cores (since they would be replacing the suit tiers) being the thing to spend isk on.

I.e. As of now, proto suits cost money so as to force players to make a choice between isk over power. The cores would take that place. Why not forget cores and just go with the mods costing more to force isk/power choice.

Again, I'm not saying keep the different suit models, just use sp and balance of mods to dictate suit power and isk expenditure.

Why not forget cores and just go with the mods costing more to force isk/power choice.

If your idea was easier, then CCP Rattati and everyone else would have figured that out by now. But the power core concept proved easier to implement.


Because then CCP Rattati will have to go through all the trouble of figuring out how to balance all of the individual modules for that to work and we all know for a fact that it will take far too long to accomplish that. Players will then have to waste even more time debating and submitting feedback on what would be the most optimal figures per module since we know that CCP Rattati usually requests our feedback before doing any changes. Then you have to deal with the fact that making these changes will result in players complaining about the changes and wanting them to be reverted back.

Maybe, just maybe, you are misunderstanding something.

Why not just have the suit skill level open up the power of the suit then pay a standard low fee for the suit and just charge more for the complex modules? It'd do the same thing as having to pay for a proto suit.

If a person has earned the skill points then they should get that level of suit. It doesn't create an imbalance any more than now if they have to fork over more isk to have the best abilities through the modules. If anything, just lower the number of slots on the suits and jack the power up on the complex modules if stacking lower tier mods is a concern.

Or maybe you just did not understand his post? (no! it cannot be!)

Because that actually get in the way of adding additional skills endgame that does similar on top of the power core maybe and that the cost economic balanced achieved by current module prices would have major impact on the feel of the game if altered drastically that can lead to some unrewarded effort if done wrong.

Also there is also the consumer disparity; reflect back on the HAV turret prices and how it many players were disenfranchised by the extremely steep cost of the turret alone. This leads to compulsion to increase the module quality to help protect the 'investment' into the turret.

Infantry players rarely express this as fits with prototype weapons only and std support modules is rather much more common and overall the only time something similar is bemoaned about is on AV players and Logistics players due to the overall cost of those roles being immensely more expensive than something far cheaper and more effective at the job.

His idea is a carbon copy of a tieticide proposal I madee a couple months ago. It's not a hard concept to follow.

Eliminating suit tiers and putting them into cores, combined with proper cross-linking into the database results in only needing to render at most 12 suit models rather than the darwins grab bag of 160 we have now.

When you consider that 32 players with 30 fitting slots means that 960 fits have to be preloaded into the memory, which can literally result in having any combination resulting in 160 different graphically preloaded dropsuits?

Yeah I'll take the cores. They have a very good chance to improve the framerate and core function of dust

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Breakin stuff, did you actually read his proposal?

He meant leaving 1 suit per class, same as power cores, but without the power cores.. Dropsuit skill being the "power core" which dictates your cpu/pg and only having difference in module tiers.