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AndyAndio
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Posted - 2015.07.05 13:36:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
So in all other FPS games, the new players start on equal footing with veterans. I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that because I sure don't see a lot of the starter weapons in my killfeed.
Second, player skill always wins, gear is secondary. This is hard to accept for many people, but its the truth. Good players can easily outplay prototype lower skill players in starter fits.
In Battlefield and Call of Duty it comes down to player skill and to a someextent what weapon you're using. In Dust 514 is both of those factors but we're also mixing in the variability of power leveled gear. There is a great desire, especially from members of the community that are pro-tieracide, for that sort of power leveled gear to have even less of an effect on the overall flow of battle. We can all generally agree that an Amarr Assault with an SCR should have every advantage over a Cal Assault with an SCR ( armor tanker with anti-shield weapon against shield tanker with an anti-shield weapon). That advantage gets skewed if said player is using, say, Militia gear and his opponent is using Prototype. Power levels like that create an artificial inflation of power in the overall balance scheme, hence the moniker, and it dillutes the feeling of preparation, tactics, and player skill. Despite having every advantage the Amarr Assault could still very likely lose simply because the Cal Assault spent more ISK (which is why we run into problems like PC District Locking/Alt Farming). This is especially true for new players who simply don't have the ISK -and- skill benefits to compete. Progression should not entitle you to such a powerful advantage when it already gives you permanent, passive skill bonuses (+5% armor per level) and active bonuses from Dropsuits (+5% heat build reduction per level). In that context, Tieracide is extremely beneficial. We lose a sense of progression, absolutely, but that sense of progression comes at the cost of the overall balance of power. Players feel gypped out of a win simply because they didn't shell out as much ISK as the other guy ontop of simply not having the longevity bonus of skill application, regardless of tactics and preparation.
I disagree, tiercide is gonna make players that have tons of SP able to run better ISK efficient fits while remaining deadly. For example i modified my APEX Nomad suit to the point that the differences between that suit and my normal mk0 assault are really minor. Things like .5 less sprint speed, 80 or so less hp. same regen, same equipment, and with proficiency 5 on my CR i dont feel the difference between the basic CR and the Boundless, i ran that suit the first couple of weeks i got it on FW and i was doing great. Also if you run spambush with it, the ISK efficiency is game breaking.
Your logic and understanding of progression is not quite right, things like optimization and proficiency need to be reworked also if there's any kind of tiercide happens but hey, lets break the game even more so no one can have fun
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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AndyAndio
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Posted - 2015.07.05 14:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
You actually just proved my point, though... The example you gave shows that the disparity between what will essentially become a Dropsuit with a Standard Power Core versus a Prototype Power Core will be lessened and those that run Standard Power Cores will be more effective as a result, that the advantages would come mostly from skill investment and proper fitting structure rather than simply shelling out ISK.
Getting ISK in this game is easier than SP, even with the stupid SP cap we have now, so... yeah, skill (SP) investment thats what you're going for? People value ISK more than anything in the game (i dont play enough to value either) that why people with a lot of ISK still run BPOs or lower tier gear, they just want to go ISK + every game. ISK Investment > SP Investment, because the SP doesnt go away, you dont risk losing SP, i never seen anyone rage saying "he has optimzation 5 and i dont!" lol
I still havent seen anyone share a good point on how tiercide is gonna help the game, is like people want to see it happen just beacuse reasons.
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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AndyAndio
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Posted - 2015.07.05 14:31:00 -
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thor424 wrote:Asset loss is the biggest difference between Dust and those other games.
Losing video game stuff apparently really, really bothers some people.
facts.-
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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AndyAndio
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Posted - 2015.07.05 14:39:00 -
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thor424 wrote:AndyAndio wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
You actually just proved my point, though... The example you gave shows that the disparity between what will essentially become a Dropsuit with a Standard Power Core versus a Prototype Power Core will be lessened and those that run Standard Power Cores will be more effective as a result, that the advantages would come mostly from skill investment and proper fitting structure rather than simply shelling out ISK.
Getting ISK in this game is easier than SP, even with the stupid SP cap we have now, so... yeah, skill (SP) investment thats what you're going for? People value ISK more than anything in the game (i dont play enough to value either) that why people with a lot of ISK still run BPOs or lower tier gear, they just want to go ISK + every game. ISK Investment > SP Investment, because the SP doesnt go away, you dont risk losing SP, i never seen anyone rage saying "he has optimzation 5 and i dont!" lol I still havent seen anyone share a good point on how tiercide is gonna help the game, is like people want to see it happen just beacuse reasons. I don't think tiercide solves any of the pacifist, accountant behavior we see running rampant in Dust. But I think it helps eliminate a few of the excuses those types use when explaining why they don't try. I'd love to see an experiment in Dust, like a week with maxed out characters and reimbursement, just to see if the accountants could find it in themselves to use that R1 button.
Sorry bud, but... Dust going to the PS4 is more likely to happen than that
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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AndyAndio
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Posted - 2015.07.05 14:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: I like to write walls of text of irrelevant stuff so people dont know what to say and i get the feeling that i won an internet discussion
You succeded, i stopped reading after you said "EvE Online" MVP out.-
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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AndyAndio
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.05 15:09:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
/sigh
-YOU- wanted to know what Tiericide was and why people are for it. You basically just pulled a Westboro Baptist.
wrong, again! i never said that, those reading skills tho...
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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