Everyone wants PVE. Everyone wants stronger EVE link. The link with EVE was one of the biggest features of the game, yet pretty underwhelming.

This is not something that could probably happen anywhere in the near future, or even on the PS3 at all. But here is how I would envision a PVE experience with EVE.

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An EVE player would discover a location in space. Maybe a planet, moon, asteroid, derelict station etc.

An EVE player would need to bring a squad to retrieve something from the surface.

Once the EVE player has deployed the ground force, he would cooperate with the ground team by providing Intel, and with OB strikes. However the EVE player would need to face period PVE waves himself.

For the Dust squad. Ground missions would involve a short A to B phase through some course, followed by a point defense, while completing some objective.

A basic example:

Fight your way to some control room, defend control room for 10 minutes, while repairing some "thing".

Repairing would involve using a rep tool, then 'hacking' components in sequence to repair some bigger thing.

Components could be damaged in battle. This would force Logi's to flip back and forth from repair/battle duties, or have a good squad to fully defend the repairmen while they dedicate to the repair job.

When completed EVE and Dust players get a big juicy reward, along with their sense of teamwork and accomplishment.

- EVE / Dust link
- PVE
- Fun
- Complex enough to feel like something very new
- Basic enough could be mix and matched endlessly to make all missions feel a bit different.
- Something in it for EVE players to work with Dust.

Everybody wins

Hey... Talos.... You uhh need to prepare to receive a ****ton of like's...

Very good idea,

however, it shall be much easy to do that (and more) in EVE: Legion

This is an old idea that needs to be worked on, also port to PC.

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I'm fairly certain this concept would work just fine on console, maybe even on the PS3 since we aren't even talking about expanding the player count any. The beauty of this concept is that it could be implemented with the limited assets we have available right now.

What we have now doesn't work, adding more complexity and AI to the whole process isn't what I would call a workable situation.

As far as I am aware, the vast majority of Eve players (I came to this game from Eve) are reluctant at best to deal with what is called a "Console Kiddie" or young prepubescent teen who has downloaded the game to play for free from the PSN Store because it is F2P whereas they are paying monthly subscription fees, have ships that they have invested considerable amounts of time/money purchasing and fitting and other assets involved in their gameplay experience that benefit their play and groups they are involved in (thousands of individual player real life dollars in some cases).

This F2P model needs to drop for widespread acceptance from the Eve community and CCP knows this. So the Port to PC argument comes in, where it would remove the PSN Store from the mix and make it a viable product to merge, viable in the community's eyes and viable in CCP's eyes to charge a subscription to play.

I really don't care how many polygons a console can render, hardware updates as the game moves into the future development are straight up issues for any console, needing constant porting as game consoles change to the newer one (PS3 to PS4 for example) and the newest consoles are relatively quick in making it to market. PC on the other hand can get upgrades based on hardware needs rather than needing to be ported again it would be one port to PC and there it would stay ready for the next big update or whatever.

In addition to the benefit of hardware upgrades available being able to put both Eve and Dust on the same game launcher would remove the need to design a different launcher for the client side to access the server, or in other words more programmers available to work on one game rather than two, with a well rounded way to have ground and space combat coming from the merger.

I apologize if this makes some players disappointed that there likely will never be any integration (more than now) with Eve on the PS3/Console of any kind, but based on reactions to my posts on the Eve forums it is not going to happen.

I'm afraid none of that is valid.

Dust isn't seeking and doesn't need the approval of arrogant EVE players who feel they are too good to play a game on a console because of other players on that console.

EVE players are welcome to play Dust, but certainly don't have to. Since then Dust has built it's own community completely separate from EVE and it's going to stay that way.

It's not about playing a game on a console, us Eve players actually paid to build the game, spent 2 years Beta testing it and then helped CCP release it to the public, its about the real life money involved in the assets we have in Eve and work to protect daily from other player's destructive tendencies.

Learn to read sir, it makes Dust players look bad when you say cocky things about not need or not want the mirror to your "Dust" community that resides in the same universe it does. As I said before, apologies to any to any teens, it is nothing against the age or in any way related to the fact that you play on a console, but rather the lack of real life cash invested in the game, yes I know you buy bpos but they don't get destroyed, our ships and stations do.

You should be ashamed as a CPM candidate for not thinking about the history of Dust in your response or even considering that you are reacting exactly like many on the Eve forums do when merger is suggested, not want not need who cares. You just finished saying you wanted to strengthen the link between the two for god's sake.

STOP.

That is a bullshit argument and it needs to die and not come back. What a company does with their income is entirely their business, and having paid an EVE subscription does not entitle you to demand they only develop games for the platform you play EVE on.

The community we have now is tiny but very dedicated to a game that they've managed to see the good in beyond all it's flaws. You are automatically denigrating that by pulling that superior tone and then attacking Talos based on the fact that running for CPM means supporting "Veterans" over other players who have just as much right to be represented.

Also keep in mind that I and others who are still here are also "Veterans" and you most certainly do NOT speak for us.

I'm afraid none of that is valid.

Dust isn't seeking and doesn't need the approval of arrogant EVE players who feel they are too good to play a game on a console because of other players on that console.

EVE players are welcome to play Dust, but certainly don't have to. Since then Dust has built it's own community completely separate from EVE and it's going to stay that way.

...someone **** in your cornflakes? I ididn't demand anything.You infer an awful lot, and if you are such a vet sub back up to Eve and start pushing something for integration, I'm tired of being one of the only 3-4 posters on the Eve forums for integration. You're absolutely correct, we shouldn't demand from a company to make on one platform or another, and i am not, merely advising players of what has been said in response to the idea talos posted here when i posted it in winter on the Eve forums and I will keep letting players and idiots running for council who think that their bullshit doesn't stink when it does.

PS. DJINN Jecture speaks for herself.
PPS. Talos Vag. wants to speak for us and slanders those who he says he wants to tie himself to (reminds me of a cute redhed)
PPPS Mobius steps up right behind and attacks the guy saying it can't happen because X reason right after Talos Vag. says Invald! I don't believe it is so therefore it must not be!

PPPPS Grow up and discuss points, character of a player or their general vetishness does little to argue a valid point and makes you look bad.

What I see in the forums is a lot of positive suggestions, and trolls trying to get a rise out of people. Humility and maturity go a long way, and flaming a person for an idea without a solid ... Somewhat objective critique is just overlooked while people *grabs popcorn*

I'm confused on whether you actually want integration between the two games (and ultimately the two communities) or that you just want the communities to be separate.

Ik you love your consoles, but in reality noone on EVE will want to rely on console peasants to make them ISK

Lol. Good eye. It's funny seeing people try to hijack posts: Not realizing there's no such thing as bad publicity ;)


Anyway, my closing statement to the trolls:

We all want more integration. There are endless ways we can go about that, and you may agree or disagree with the particular idea I have here, that's fine and I appreciate all opinions.

Regarding Communities: Dust and EVE are separate communities which I feel should be connected as closely as possible, yet retain independence from each other at the same time.

Regarding Port: There are many opinions on where and how Dust should be ported. Many good points on all sides of the argument. However, saying Dust should go to PC because EVE players feel they are too good to play with people who own consoles is not a good point. It's flat out terrible, and hilarious that people would even suggest that in a serious manner.

Regarding Original Post: I suggested this as a fun means of cooperation between the two games, and I appreciate all feedback on what you'd like added or subtracted from it.


Thanks for all the feedback. Looking forward to more thoughts on this!



EDIT: And while you're here, I'd appreciate feedback on this thread as well

PC + Strengthening the EVE link

What I see in the forums is a lot of positive suggestions, and trolls trying to get a rise out of people. Humility and maturity go a long way, and flaming a person for an idea without a solid ... Somewhat objective critique is just overlooked while people *grabs popcorn*

There are actually quite a few people I've met in EVE that would love just that.

Consider for a moment how much gear is bought on a daily basis just by the small number of players we have right now, and how much that gear costs.

For an EVE player manufacturing that gear, Dust would be a goldmine, and the issue of scalping would take care of itself same as it does with EVE assets because suppliers constantly undercut each other in order to get sales. That would drive prices down to the point that you could probably buy gear for less than you can get it from the NPC market right now.

And that's just talking about marketing, not even mentioning that the current Planetary Conquest bonuses to starbases in EVE drastically reduce manufacturing costs. The only issue is no one wants to do large-scale manufacturing in low-sec due to the ever-present danger.

Lol. Good eye. It's funny seeing people try to hijack posts: Not realizing there's no such thing as bad publicity ;)


Anyway, my closing statement to the trolls:

We all want more integration. There are endless ways we can go about that, and you may agree or disagree with the particular idea I have here, that's fine and I appreciate all opinions.

Regarding Communities: Dust and EVE are separate communities which I feel should be connected as closely as possible, yet retain independence from each other at the same time.

Regarding Port: There are many opinions on where and how Dust should be ported. Many good points on all sides of the argument. However, saying Dust should go to PC because EVE players feel they are too good to play with people who own consoles is not a good point. It's flat out terrible, and hilarious that people would even suggest that in a serious manner.

Regarding Original Post: I suggested this as a fun means of cooperation between the two games, and I appreciate all feedback on what you'd like added or subtracted from it.


Thanks for all the feedback. Looking forward to more thoughts on this!



EDIT: And while you're here, I'd appreciate feedback on this thread as well

PC + Strengthening the EVE link