i often find myself reduced to a crawl simply trying to navigate quickly through the rough terrain.

I made a scout load out with some stamina boosts and I can almost run from one end of the map to another and jump over some stuff without getting winded...

Not every load out should get to be a triathlete or cyclocross super starGǪ

I like stamina management in games. Makes you think about how to move between cover, get from place to place, still leave some energy to fight.

OP: I hate UT.

Hmm maybe they can do something thats similar in Brink ( but without all the parkour movement ) . If you look up on something and press the jump button you can climb on in and able to vault over something too like in Bf3 . But these actions can cost a X amount of stamina.

having played brink i think this is a damn good idea brink had a fairly good movement system

I like this idea. gives more of a tactical feel. Battlefield always had more realism to movement etc and made it so you can get around good while at the same time hopping like a bunny would only get you killed.

Lots of you say that its immature or ridiculous but its not I don't use it but its easy to kill people that do learn how to aim and think like your enemies increase jump distance while running so nor of the map is open to use espaicly to recon scout and assault it would be better and people learn how you kill without the game making it so easy there's no challenge in it that's boring I like it the way it is if a running long jump could be put in place not trying to be disrespectful but it all seems that if a game doesn't hand you all a kill it needs fixed really just practice and play you'll get better

Maybe I just have more imagination then the rest of you, but when I picture futuristic space cyborgs, jumping makes complete tactical and logical sense.

This is suppose to be a serious tactical game therefor such gameplay you speak of is not anything near tactical or skillful. challenge skills? then they can learn a real skill and more realism of a video game battle by not being able to jump like a crazy frog.

I will agree that how it is being used is untaticful and even untasteful but to nerf the whole jump system because a percentage of people use it to there advantage is just rediculous (sorry about spelling) instead of nerfing it leav it as it is its a good balance it just kinda suck trying to reach a ledge to have you barley fall short when that said ledge would give you a major taticful sniping position. Its not the games fault that people decide to use things the wrong ways why should the players that actually do have valid taticful reasons have to further suffer a nerfed jump because people perfer cheap tatics

my experience is as follows
scouts jump like spiderman. It's good fun. Good-GOOD fun.
regulars (assualts) jump like mario. It'll get you where you need to go, most of the time.
heavies jump like a rock rolling down a hill. You better get a jeep if you want to go around any canyon fast.

there are things that increase stamina (skills and mods)
there are things that increase speed (skills and mods)
Nearly all my scouts have at least two kinds of mods increasing one or both.
Nearly all my assaults have at least one of these mods increasing speed (usually.)
None of my heavies have any of that.... afterall, why bother.

Afterthoughts: I wouldn't mind if the there was a mod that increased jumping, that took up the utility spot. If a sniper or some other unit wants to give up the ability to deploy a team-help nanohive, or droplink, for the ability to jump onto places others can't naturally get to--let'em.

Tatics: I'm tired of people saying this function isn't tatical. Circumnavigating enemy forces, otherwise known as flanking through means of increased mobility is standard military tatics. You can't see soldiers climb walls, or repel from heli's and not think that they would just hop over particular obstacles if they had the technology to do so. Not all units have this ability, but one would assume that some dedicated units would specialize in flanking, and positing themselves behind enemy lines. How do you counter it? You watch your freaking six.

I think the argument about jumping not being "tactical" boils down to this...

With jumping and strafing as it is now, the danger of running out into the open to take on a fortified enemy is minimized. I can simply run out, jump, dodge, and strafe my way to their position, and then once there everyone in the area just jumps, dodges, and strafes around until the guys from the other team are all dead. It's very "arcade like." You don't have to think much about the engagement, which direction to attack from, what positions to try and hold, because we all know the encounters are going to boil down to a Halo style arcade battle.

The pace is a bit too quick for real strategic maneuvering over the coms and teamwork to consistently win the battle over bunny hopping and strafing skills. Currently, teamwork and strategy basically boils down to "Ok, let's go around and attack A" or "I need help at B"... but otherwise it's just bunnyhopping clusterfucks once you get to the contended objectives.

Personally, I don't think the jumping should be removed, but I don't think you should be able to fire while jumping, or for about half a second or so after landing from a jump either. I DO however, think that it would be perfectly reasonable to add modules that allow for these things to be done. Hey, if you wanna sacrifice CPU to jump around in a lighweight low armored dropsuit then have at it, at that point YES, the speed and maneuverability is an intentional tactic that you are employing, and would likely sit much better with the "tactical" guys. It's just not currently balanced enough, and is a bit overpowering IMO as a default ability. The single tactic of rush in, jump around and strafe like a crazy person spamming lead at the enemy should NOT be the default way to get **** done in this game, but right now it's what at least 1/2 the people in the game are doing and those 1/2 of the people are the ones at the top of the leaderboards every game. When one playstyle is dominating the rest in a beta, that tells us that it's too powerful, and IMO jumping and strafing with little to no accounting for positioning or tactics should be considered such.

I just don't want the strategy in this game to devolve to a point where we are basically playing a fast paced CoD style deathmatch that moves from objective to objective as the game progresses. I want tactical communications, I want a sniper to be able to say "I'm in position guys, toss the grenade" and another guy to respond with "throwing grenade... hey, can I get some support on my flank, I've got a guy working his way my direction at 3 o'clock," and right now the game just plays too fast and arcade like for this sort of thing to ever occur.

Spankbabe is right here. Jumping was already nerfed from what it was in a previous build. (Pretty much unlimited jumping) They have found a good balance here. The problem is that people -should- be easily tracked in the air, and they are. It's just with the current hit detection people don't know how to compensate. When you get the hang of it, you'll lol at people who jump for giving you free kills.


Bunny hoppers? Four words.


Web grenades. Next build.

Hell yes.

But aside from that, remember that their dropsuits are giving them the ability to jump so high and run so fast. So wouldn't an EMP also bring them to a near crawl, as well as shut off their HUD?