Limiting turn speeds based on frame size is a terrible idea. There is a reason why it was removed, and it's because it was dumb.

I can't support a turning speed change, I remember having no recourse as a heavy and it also messes up people who play multiple roles, needing to adjust to them.

If both were spinning opposite directions, they would cancel no?

I can't support a turning speed change, I remember having no recourse as a heavy and it also messes up people who play multiple roles, needing to adjust to them.

Not even being able to turn around quickly enough, that would be utter crap.

One of the best things about Chromosome (in my opinion) was that a newbro who got the drop on a vet could kill that vet. Like in other shooters. Rotation speed played a part in that. While turning slowly is a crappy experience, it is also a crappy experience for newbros to sneak up behind another infantry unit, shoot it in the back, and somehow lose the engagement. Some goes for veteran knifers and shotgunners of the paper-thin variety. The best knifer in the game is apparently concerned about spin-and-win in the present build; do you think it'd be wise to dismiss those concerns?

1. As Dust evolved over time, the difference between weapon tiers (used to be higher), the power of proficiency skills (used to affect both shields and armor), the difference between suits of different tiers (higher tier suits used to have better base HP), and time-to-kill all diminished. Because of all these things, plus the advent of actually functional aim assist, I would argue that a new player sneaking up on a vet now actually have much better chances of killing they vet than they did years ago.

2. We don't need painful rotation nerfs to help new players, especially since new players will likely hate it given how used they are to much faster turning shooters.

3. As for the idea that being able to kill someone more easily by sneaking up being inherently good, I disagree at a certain point, and I think Dust is already at a good balance on that front. One of the things I like about Dust is that when someone sneaks up on you and tries to kill you, if you're skillful enough, you can still win the engagement despite the initial disadvantage.

4A. There needs to be a balance between rewarding stealth, and rewarding skill
4B. Dust already does that well, and I don't think changes are needed in that regard.

I can't support a turning speed change, I remember having no recourse as a heavy and it also messes up people who play multiple roles, needing to adjust to them.

yes there Is a reason- heavies whine to CCP when they could not defend "aka turn around" themselves stop the one scout suit that was in the game from using a shotgun to kill them. well shoot one shot then jump over while the heavy was turning around and finish off the heavy with another 1-2 shots.

lol back then most scouts had 87-150 shield and 175-250 armor. so it took just a handful of shots at most to kill.

I can't support a turning speed change, I remember having no recourse as a heavy and it also messes up people who play multiple roles, needing to adjust to them.

This was, of course, when heavies had less ehp and no resistance.

It still doesn't make sense that a heavie should be able to survive being shot with back for only for him to turn around instantly and HMG his way out of it.

The man says no, so i guess i join the dual tanking crowd.. Apparently thats how every suit should be fitted, stack as much hp as possible and hope you live through the firefight.

I can't support a turning speed change, I remember having no recourse as a heavy and it also messes up people who play multiple roles, needing to adjust to them.

Is fine, can we go back to chrome turn
speeds now?