DUST Search - Game feels sluggish.

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

HmmmGÇª. I predict this issue will smooth over in time. It isn't like Aim-Assist, where CCP had to get it right first time, or it just won't endure the wave of complaints we know will inevitably come.

As Rattati expressed, this is one component that can be dialed forward or dialed back, until the sweet spot is found. It's not a "Full ON" or "Full OFF" thing we need to be afraid of.

Blink

Yes, "tactical" does imply we should be using cover and sneaking and waiting for ground-support more, not rushing up and dancing our opponent to death as much as we still do. The game needs to make us more nervous and hesitant about "rolling up on him" all the time.

Shocked

BUT, if combat in New Eden is about tactics, the pressure (and our expectations) will fall on our Dropsuit technology to beef up enough to support our tactical actions. So now, if I AM going to hide behind the rock at far range, my Caldari suit better be worth SP I sank into its designGÇª my Amar suit better be good at powering the Hardeners the way I need, etc.
This combat is now REALLY becoming a story about "suiting up" correctly. Can't bet your money on nimble feet anymore.

I think CCP is well aware of thatGÇª and it's why they are perfecting suit characteristics at the same time as these strafe-tweaks they are doing.
In spite of all our bantering,GÇª they do know their stuff.

When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.

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Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 770	Posted - 2015.07.02 02:05:00 - [61] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: So much bullshit from the anti-strafers itt. Let's put it this way: if hit detection could handle any strafe speed perfectly, would you want a higher strafe? I sure as hell would because i love the challenge of trying to handle the strafe/gungame of the best players in the game. Not a universal sentiment, it appears. Looks like the congregation has killed rock'n'roll. GG 'tactical players'. P.S. Adapting isn't the problem, tbh it's trivial. KDR will go up. White knuckled back-alley fights will go down. This only counts to the scouts and Minmatar assault really since they're the strafe units of dust. Because no matter how good you are at this game, if they are faster by a huge margin they will strafe circles around you. No longer the case now Click me
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 162	Posted - 2015.07.02 02:11:00 - [62] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: So much bullshit from the anti-strafers itt. Let's put it this way: if hit detection could handle any strafe speed perfectly, would you want a higher strafe? I sure as hell would because i love the challenge of trying to handle the strafe/gungame of the best players in the game. Not a universal sentiment, it appears. Looks like the congregation has killed rock'n'roll. GG 'tactical players'. P.S. Adapting isn't the problem, tbh it's trivial. KDR will go up. White knuckled back-alley fights will go down. Let's put it this way: It can't handle it, so there's no point in trying to figure that out. Also, someone actually hurt over their balanced strafe speed? If you can out DPS someone all because of wiggle strafe, then there's something clearly wrong, no TACTICAL SHOOTER should ever allow massive strafe speed's to be actual skill, maybe small amount's of strafe, but nothing that ACTUALLY effect's the entire game system. So get used to it, and like what armor player's tell us shield player's: GIT GUD. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 02:57:00 - [63] - Quote hahaha... someone had my post deleted, so I'll say it again. only scrubs are crying about the strafe nerf.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 574	Posted - 2015.07.02 04:53:00 - [64] - Quote HmmmGÇª. I predict this issue will smooth over in time. It isn't like Aim-Assist, where CCP had to get it right first time, or it just won't endure the wave of complaints we know will inevitably come. As Rattati expressed, this is one component that can be dialed forward or dialed back, until the sweet spot is found. It's not a "Full ON" or "Full OFF" thing we need to be afraid of. Yes, "tactical" does imply we should be using cover and sneaking and waiting for ground-support more, not rushing up and dancing our opponent to death as much as we still do. The game needs to make us more nervous and hesitant about "rolling up on him" all the time. BUT, if combat in New Eden is about tactics, the pressure (and our expectations) will fall on our Dropsuit technology to beef up enough to support our tactical actions. So now, if I AM going to hide behind the rock at far range, my Caldari suit better be worth SP I sank into its designGÇª my Amar suit better be good at powering the Hardeners the way I need, etc. This combat is now REALLY becoming a story about "suiting up" correctly. Can't bet your money on nimble feet anymore. I think CCP is well aware of thatGÇª and it's why they are perfecting suit characteristics at the same time as these strafe-tweaks they are doing. In spite of all our bantering,GÇª they do know their stuff. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 05:03:00 - [65] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: hahaha... someone had my post deleted, so I'll say it again. only scrubs are crying about the strafe nerf. Couldn't agree with you more. I was sick and tired of trying to shoot someone while ADS while they just Eddy Gordo'd me. Especially with the Bolt Pistol. Four shots should have landed as head shots to the Minmatar Assault? Nah. Blue shields, no damage. GG Seraphim. -.- I'm having similar (or better) KDR since the update. Don't know why all the scrubs are crying over this. Filled three barrels of tears already. Achura Bloodline Loyalist of the State Reclaim Caldari Prime!
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 05:26:00 - [66] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: hahaha... someone had my post deleted, so I'll say it again. only scrubs are crying about the strafe nerf. Couldn't agree with you more. I was sick and tired of trying to shoot someone while ADS while they just Eddy Gordo'd me. Especially with the Bolt Pistol. Four shots should have landed as head shots to the Minmatar Assault? Nah. Blue shields, no damage. GG Seraphim. -.- I'm having similar (or better) KDR since the update. Don't know why all the scrubs are crying over this. Filled thrirteen swimming pools of tears already. Fixed Tech ohm remembers the replication disco dance and the qq when the insane strafe speeds were dialed down
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 58	Posted - 2015.07.02 06:04:00 - [67] - Quote This change is most positive since Chromosome, sometimes when engaging "8" moving matar assault i was just giving up, like "ah, just a game f@## this moonwalker". So, thanks, at least for me as solo player i have a chance against dancing logi + heavy combo. o7 The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 775	Posted - 2015.07.02 11:11:00 - [68] - Quote Lol the min will be enslaved again now they can't strafe their way out of whips' Click me
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 171	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:17:00 - [69] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: HmmmGÇª. I predict this issue will smooth over in time. It isn't like Aim-Assist, where CCP had to get it right first time, or it just won't endure the wave of complaints we know will inevitably come. As Rattati expressed, this is one component that can be dialed forward or dialed back, until the sweet spot is found. It's not a "Full ON" or "Full OFF" thing we need to be afraid of. Yes, "tactical" does imply we should be using cover and sneaking and waiting for ground-support more, not rushing up and dancing our opponent to death as much as we still do. The game needs to make us more nervous and hesitant about "rolling up on him" all the time. BUT, if combat in New Eden is about tactics, the pressure (and our expectations) will fall on our Dropsuit technology to beef up enough to support our tactical actions. So now, if I AM going to hide behind the rock at far range, my Caldari suit better be worth SP I sank into its designGÇª my Amar suit better be good at powering the Hardeners the way I need, etc. This combat is now REALLY becoming a story about "suiting up" correctly. Can't bet your money on nimble feet anymore. I think CCP is well aware of thatGÇª and it's why they are perfecting suit characteristics at the same time as these strafe-tweaks they are doing. In spite of all our bantering,GÇª they do know their stuff. Lol finally, someone who actually get's the idea. There has always been one critical issue for me and this game, it's not the hit detection, it's not the lack of content, and it's not the OP weapon's. It's the fact that I sink most if not ALL my SP into something and I hardly get my SP's worth, In most game's your awarded greatly and powerfully when you specialize your character in a certain form or style, be it uniquely magic or stealth, or being a straight up bad ass with a giant sword on your back, you the player, in this game, is not rewarded, even if you use the FOTM it's not a true reward, it's just another thing you skilled into. I'd love to have a much more in depth model of the Skill tree, where I can actually skill into the specific part's of the suit itself, and not just skill into basic to level 3 and assault to level 5 and be done with it, and then move on, that take's away from one's own personality, if you just skill into the next thing, be done with it, and move on. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:22:00 - [70] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Clone D wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: ... cover ... to gain an advantage. Cover is obsolete for the most part. 1. People jump over it and shoot down at you. 2. We can no longer strafe out from behind cover and back faster than ttk. 3. Can't walk forward and back over hilltops faster than ttk. This game is a slow turning rate flying circus. walking in and out of gunfire, the fact that you used to survive WALKING around hilltops and not get shot... and you saw nothing wrong with that.... Which way do we look at this.... Are we truly in super far futuristic beast mode suits of armour with nanites that repair and overshields that can deflect huge munitions.... Or are we using weapons so advanced that its as if we are without armour anyway (i.e headshot kills, couple of chest shots kill etc like battlefield or cod..) You can't have it both ways. Put another way, what is ideal TTK and in what situation. (For example - A CR that kills an average suit with 1 bullet is clearly OP however a PLC that takes say 2 or more shots to kill that same suit would be pathetically UP) "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa

Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:27:00 - [71] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Guys,it's lousy 10%!!! How can that tiny nerf have suck impact in your gameplay? Improvise Adapt Overcome Really,i feel like Clint Eastwood in this movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWCYv40Ur1g if it's just 10% then how come it makes such a big damn difference going from ADV to Proto? I warned people of this, lol.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:28:00 - [72] - Quote V1RONXSS wrote: This change is most positive since Chromosome, sometimes when engaging "8" moving matar assault i was just giving up, like "ah, just a game f@## this moonwalker". So, thanks, at least for me as solo player i have a chance against dancing logi + heavy combo. o7 throw a grenade scrub.
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 172	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:28:00 - [73] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Clone D wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: ... cover ... to gain an advantage. Cover is obsolete for the most part. 1. People jump over it and shoot down at you. 2. We can no longer strafe out from behind cover and back faster than ttk. 3. Can't walk forward and back over hilltops faster than ttk. This game is a slow turning rate flying circus. walking in and out of gunfire, the fact that you used to survive WALKING around hilltops and not get shot... and you saw nothing wrong with that.... Which way do we look at this.... Are we truly in super far futuristic beast mode suits of armour with nanites that repair and overshields that can deflect huge munitions.... Or are we using weapons so advanced that its as if we are without armour anyway (i.e headshot kills, couple of chest shots kill etc like battlefield or cod..) You can't have it both ways. Wait so... If you went both ways..... That would make you Bi. Being serious though, we already do have beast mode suits of armor and shield's that can deflect huge munition's? That was a thing back in CB but let's not bring up old shield wound's. However we already have 1 shot head shot killing weapon's and a couple of chest shot type game play, most of which are in the form of scout's/logi's/ and non-tanked assault's, or the common academy player. So I don't really understand your comment, please elaborate. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:32:00 - [74] - Quote The tears, oh the tears. They are indeed delicious AND nutritious. Lucent Echelon Chat Channel is fixed
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 844	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:36:00 - [75] - Quote I havent run into any wiggle wiggle since the patch, but that might be because of my non confrontational play style (I much prefer to confront your butthole with my naughty bits). In any case wiggle wiggle is boring and annoying, I cant imagine anyone having fun doing it.
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 824	Posted - 2015.07.03 05:23:00 - [76] - Quote I've not experienced the speed/strafe Nerf however it does concern me for paperscouts especially shield based. Can anybody tell me how this has impacted them? (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs Retired 62mil sp, z platoon vet, og shotty
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.03 05:35:00 - [77] - Quote Oh the tears! The wonderful tears! They sustain me oh so much. More! QQ more!
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 627	Posted - 2015.07.03 06:51:00 - [78] - Quote Played a bit yesterday, didn't feel that much of a difference. I still can run left and right and avoid bullets, that's fine by me! WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 60	Posted - 2015.07.03 09:30:00 - [79] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: V1RONXSS wrote: This change is most positive since Chromosome, sometimes when engaging "8" moving matar assault i was just giving up, like "ah, just a game f@## this moonwalker". So, thanks, at least for me as solo player i have a chance against dancing logi + heavy combo. o7 throw a grenade scrub. lol O' The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.07.03 09:43:00 - [80] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Guys,it's lousy 10%!!! How can that tiny nerf have suck impact in your gameplay? Improvise Adapt Overcome Really,i feel like Clint Eastwood in this movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWCYv40Ur1g 10% is the difference between std and proto weapons... Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. I'm kind of a big deal. Get Dust ISK Here

Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 318	Posted - 2015.07.03 11:15:00 - [81] - Quote I didn't feel any change to the game speed. You must have been a Minmaturd user stacking Kinkats and Ferroscales. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST


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