DUST Search - If I were to use a KB/M...

Got That Dodi wrote:

No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

You know you can use controller and mouse at same time right?

I am unfortunately not educated in the ways of technology.

I have a laptop that I use for surfing the internet, a phone that I use for surfing the internet when the laptop is too far away, and a game system that I shoot people on. I haven't watched any shows in years, so I barely know how to work a TV remote nowadays. That about covers it.

I can probably give this a try, though. How does a mouse work alongside a controller? Does it take away the use of the right thumbstick entirely, does it only come into play when I actually move the mouse to aim and give back right thumb control when I give it a tap, or what?

I want to say that both KB/M and DS3 remain active, letting you pick your method of control on the fly, with no menu crawling. You could be using your DS3 and simply put it down and start using the KB/M, but I've personally never used a KB/M, and it's been so long since I took part in the control method discussions, I don't remember and I'm unsure of how exactly it works.

I want to say I do remember people saying they would use the DS3 for things like flying a DS, then picking up the KB/M for ground combat.

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No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:39:00 - [1] - Quote Is there anything specifically I should go for? Would any modern wireless work, or would I need to buy a keyboard and mouse specifically for use on the PS3?
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:40:00 - [2] - Quote Just go the extra step and get a pc "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 744	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:43:00 - [3] - Quote Another one joins the ranks of the KB/M tryhards. If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:43:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just go the extra step and get a pc PC doesn't have Dust, though. And I want to see if I'll be any better with a keyboard and mouse than with a controller. Obviously aim will improve, but I'm probably going to be really easy to hit until I get used to a keyboard.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:46:00 - [5] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Another one joins the ranks of the KB/M tryhards. Nah, just wanting to try it out and see if I like it. I'm probably not going to use it too much unless I learn to sit down while playing, or find a desk or table that reaches up to chest height. I'm one of those weird guys that stands up the whole time. I still suck in general and don't usually squad up, so it's not like I'm going to suddenly be stomping everyone.
Louis Domi Tugastroy 949	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:47:00 - [6] - Quote If you're bad with a controller, there's a good chance you'll be bad with KB/M... Of course Idk you so... Yeah... Just my 2 cents on the topic
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 98	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:54:00 - [7] - Quote Get an input device, this will let you take advantage of aim assist and give you increased mobility. in before the ,kbm isnt good, nerds who want to protect their advantage. they will tell you to try it, and then never mention their extra tryhard equipment. good luck.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:55:00 - [8] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: If you're bad with a controller, there's a good chance you'll be bad with KB/M... Of course Idk you so... Yeah... Just my 2 cents on the topic I'm not bad with a controller so much as it's just really difficult to stay on target with the thumbstick. Accidentally brush tap it too far and WHOOPS, SHOOTING THE AIR, NEED TO READJUST BEF- dead. Especially against faster suits. I feel like I'd do better with the precision of a mouse, but it'd balance out because I've never been good with keyboard controls ever, and learning Dust's layout would leave me a really easy target to hit.
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 98	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:58:00 - [9] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Louis Domi wrote: If you're bad with a controller, there's a good chance you'll be bad with KB/M... Of course Idk you so... Yeah... Just my 2 cents on the topic I'm not bad with a controller so much as it's just really difficult to stay on target with the thumbstick. Accidentally brush tap it too far and WHOOPS, SHOOTING THE AIR, NEED TO READJUST BEF- dead. Especially against faster suits. I feel like I'd do better with the precision of a mouse, but it'd balance out because I've never been good with keyboard controls ever, and learning Dust's layout would leave me a really easy target to hit. Use the left stick to adjust aim in small amounts. There is a very helpful thread on this in the rookie section of the forum.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:59:00 - [10] - Quote Petra 222 SoM wrote: Get an input device, this will let you take advantage of aim assist and give you increased mobility. in before the ,kbm isnt good, nerds who want to protect their advantage. they will tell you to try it, and then never mention their extra tryhard equipment. good luck. I want to ask what an input device would be, but then I also feel like it'd come across like I'm asking because I want to use one, rather than just curious about what it is.

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 744	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:00:00 - [11] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Mex-0 wrote: Another one joins the ranks of the KB/M tryhards. Nah, just wanting to try it out and see if I like it. I'm probably not going to use it too much unless I learn to sit down while playing, or find a desk or table that reaches up to chest height. I'm one of those weird guys that stands up the whole time. I still suck in general and don't usually squad up, so it's not like I'm going to suddenly be stomping everyone. Oh, that makes sense. My friend tried using a KB/Controller combo, it worked well for him. I heard that some people use a Controller/Mouse combo, but I'm not really sure how that works out. If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:08:00 - [12] - Quote Petra 222 SoM wrote: Get an input device, this will let you take advantage of aim assist and give you increased mobility. in before the ,kbm isnt good, nerds who want to protect their advantage. they will tell you to try it, and then never mention their extra tryhard equipment. good luck. This. That's the big secret behind KB/M on Dust. If you try to use the regular KB/M support that is built into Dust you will find that it is terrible. That is why you have regular KB/M users out there asking for it to be fixed while others magically have the ability to destroy everything with it. Something like this. The true try hards will even combine this with a keyboard that has custom macros to allow them to build strafe patterns that make them untouchable with a single key stroke. I think you are jumping on this band wagon a little late since this is one of the biggest factors in strafe speed getting nerfed. This is also why I try to explain to people that removing KB/M support from Dust will do absolutely nothing.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:11:00 - [13] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Petra 222 SoM wrote: Get an input device, this will let you take advantage of aim assist and give you increased mobility. in before the ,kbm isnt good, nerds who want to protect their advantage. they will tell you to try it, and then never mention their extra tryhard equipment. good luck. This. That's the big secret behind KB/M on Dust. If you try to use the regular KB/M support that is built into Dust you will find that it is terrible. That is why you have regular KB/M users out there asking for it to be fixed while others magically have the ability to destroy everything with it. Something like this. The true try hards will even combine this with a keyboard that has custom macros to allow them to build strafe patterns that make them untouchable with a single key stroke. I think you are jumping on this band wagon a little late since this is one of the biggest factors in strafe speed getting nerfed. This is also why I try to explain to people that removing KB/M support from Dust will do absolutely nothing. Oh wow. God damn. Well alright, duly noted. I still want to give KB/M a shot, though. It's mainly the use of the mouse I'm after, though, so that I can actually stay on target more easily. Is the mouse any good at all without added support from stuff like this?
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 730	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:13:00 - [14] - Quote You know you can use controller and mouse at same time right? CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:20:00 - [15] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: You know you can use controller and mouse at same time right? I am unfortunately not educated in the ways of technology. I have a laptop that I use for surfing the internet, a phone that I use for surfing the internet when the laptop is too far away, and a game system that I shoot people on. I haven't watched any shows in years, so I barely know how to work a TV remote nowadays. That about covers it. I can probably give this a try, though. How does a mouse work alongside a controller? Does it take away the use of the right thumbstick entirely, does it only come into play when I actually move the mouse to aim and give back right thumb control when I give it a tap, or what?
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 24	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote It's been a while since I've heard any serious discussion about KB/M, but from what I remember there was talks about acceleration limits when moving the mouse to aim. Something about a gradual increase to the momentum of turning the aiming reticle, as well as a cap on the overall speed of moving the aiming reticle. So basically it was nothing like say Unreal or Quake or normal PC FPSs. From what I remember hearing, the KB/M was extremely difficult for most to get acclimated with, but those that could get used to it had a massive advantage in terms of precision. Some pretty heated arguments went down on whether Dust should allow KB/M support back in my prime. Lots of hate on both sides. Fun stuff.
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 24	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:35:00 - [17] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: You know you can use controller and mouse at same time right? I am unfortunately not educated in the ways of technology. I have a laptop that I use for surfing the internet, a phone that I use for surfing the internet when the laptop is too far away, and a game system that I shoot people on. I haven't watched any shows in years, so I barely know how to work a TV remote nowadays. That about covers it. I can probably give this a try, though. How does a mouse work alongside a controller? Does it take away the use of the right thumbstick entirely, does it only come into play when I actually move the mouse to aim and give back right thumb control when I give it a tap, or what? I want to say that both KB/M and DS3 remain active, letting you pick your method of control on the fly, with no menu crawling. You could be using your DS3 and simply put it down and start using the KB/M, but I've personally never used a KB/M, and it's been so long since I took part in the control method discussions, I don't remember and I'm unsure of how exactly it works. I want to say I do remember people saying they would use the DS3 for things like flying a DS, then picking up the KB/M for ground combat.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.28 15:50:00 - [18] - Quote Got That Dodi wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: You know you can use controller and mouse at same time right? I am unfortunately not educated in the ways of technology. I have a laptop that I use for surfing the internet, a phone that I use for surfing the internet when the laptop is too far away, and a game system that I shoot people on. I haven't watched any shows in years, so I barely know how to work a TV remote nowadays. That about covers it. I can probably give this a try, though. How does a mouse work alongside a controller? Does it take away the use of the right thumbstick entirely, does it only come into play when I actually move the mouse to aim and give back right thumb control when I give it a tap, or what? I want to say that both KB/M and DS3 remain active, letting you pick your method of control on the fly, with no menu crawling. You could be using your DS3 and simply put it down and start using the KB/M, but I've personally never used a KB/M, and it's been so long since I took part in the control method discussions, I don't remember and I'm unsure of how exactly it works. I want to say I do remember people saying they would use the DS3 for things like flying a DS, then picking up the KB/M for ground combat. Yes both can be used at the same time. Before they messed up the mouse input I use to snipe with my left hand on the controller for zooming and adjusting where I stand while using the mouse in my right hand for aiming and firing.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 295	Posted - 2015.06.28 16:02:00 - [19] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Another one joins the ranks of the KB/M tryhards. Idiotic logic CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2015.06.28 16:17:00 - [20] - Quote I've pondered the kb/m vs controller question quite a bit. Ive talked to maybe 6 or 7 Dust players that is the Spiltfish mouse / nunchuck with very good success. https://world.splitfish.com "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen

Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.28 16:37:00 - [21] - Quote Dunno where did they come with the idea of adding m/kb support to a console FPS game. They had to be high back then. Loyal to The State Member of : State Protectorate Belongs to : Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline
Got That Dodi RestlessSpirits 24	Posted - 2015.06.28 16:54:00 - [22] - Quote They wanted to draw in the EVE player base
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.28 19:46:00 - [23] - Quote LOL, no one answered the ops original question. Yes, regular USB PC HIDs (human interface devices) work instantly on PS3. Even 10 buck keyboards and mice. However, CCPs abovementioned artificially implemented limitations lessen the mouse usability a lot. This can be mostly, but not entirely, negated by a mouse with adjustable acceleration+speed or DPI. Any device which camouflages (eagle eye etc) the MKB input into pad (controller) input has a HUGE potential for winner's choice. Reader's can figure the reason by reading further... The Barracuda "mouse+nuchuck" item seems nice but in reality is terrible, at least I couldn't set it up so. Now some important comments: - Controller inputs have AA (Auto Ai... Erm, Aim Assist). - Any mouse input apparently disables AA for some time period so mouse users have no AA. - Chances are keyboard inputs won't disable AA but I'm not sure - 360' scannerina scans are still possible on adjustable mice - Some things are utterly undoable/unplayable on MKB: Dropships, choosing your spawn location on map screen(!) etc - Dust accepts all HIDs simultaneously so going hybrid is possible. However there might be a slight pause in changing from mouse to pad. - Hybrid controls are viable in some cases. However, it may be that some button functions become hard to reach, depending if you use pad+mouse or keyboard+pad. - Chances are accomodating to dust MKB takes a lot of effort and any persons kdr will drop during that time, a lot. As a rough generalisation, controller has advantage over MKB. Reasons in the followin posts. KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.28 19:46:00 - [24] - Quote My Background: - First six months of dust I played with pad (DS3) until Autumn 2012 when MKB came along. - After that I did full MKB, then 50-50 hybrid, and finally hybrid which is mostly MKB (80%). - On Autumn 2013 the Aim Assist (AA) was introduced. Some personal experiences: (may vary from person to other that means!) * Before AA: I'd say that as a MKB user I had slight advantage over pad users * After AA: I am at serious disadvantage and short to mid ranges, while retaining some advantages elsewhere (look previous post) * AA is very strong, especially with semi-auto weapons as they seem to calculate hits differently KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.28 19:47:00 - [25] - Quote Chart on which one is better in Dust 514: DS3 (pad, controller) >>> Mouse+keyboard Combat at ranges: very short to mid range (2m to 20m which is 4 to 40 Dust in game meters) Dropship controls Map control (especially choosing where you want to spawn) Mouse+keyboard >>> DS3 (pad, controller) Combat at ranges: Mid long and over ( over 25m which is over 50 dust in game meters) Sniping and forge gunning Tanking, especially missile and rail Balanced or no clear advantage for either: Real CQC meaning knifing distance or the length of the barrel (1m) LAV controls Small turrets: both have annoying weaknesses KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.06.28 20:38:00 - [26] - Quote KB/M is definitely not optimized on Dust. UI navigation is a nightmare, and the controls are pretty ******. Can't customize them either. Not caring about KD
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 424	Posted - 2015.06.28 20:50:00 - [27] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Is there anything specifically I should go for? Would any modern wireless work, or would I need to buy a keyboard and mouse specifically for use on the PS3? try this supported kbm list click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.28 21:05:00 - [28] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Is there anything specifically I should go for? Would any modern wireless work, or would I need to buy a keyboard and mouse specifically for use on the PS3? try this supported kbm list I bet the list is redundant as almost everything works. Curiously, there are some with bugs reported by a person. KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.28 21:31:00 - [29] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Is there anything specifically I should go for? Would any modern wireless work, or would I need to buy a keyboard and mouse specifically for use on the PS3? The correct procedure for using a Mouse is as follows: Step 1: purchase a wired mouse t minimize input lag. Step 2: Connect wired mouse to the PS3. Step 3: Take connected PS3 and shoot it repeatedly with whatever firearm is handy. This is to save the time and frustration of having to discover why you were going to shoot the goddamn thing to begin with. Best to get it over with. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 131	Posted - 2015.06.28 22:39:00 - [30] - Quote Tried out the mouse for a bit, and I was incredibly wrong. The mouse doesn't seem to be better for aiming at all, at least not for me. Slight movements seem to cause jitter, and moving the mouse diagonally, slowly, up and to the right will, instead of smoothly going diagonally up and to the right, will cause you to go mostly diagonal, with occasional slight 'twitches' in one direction or another. Maybe the surface I was using wasn't flat enough (that old plastic Mario Paint mousepad) or maybe the mouse I'm using isn't too great (some logitech thing that came included with a keyboard, cost maybe $40). Or maybe I'm just not used to it and need to give it another shot. But that was not a fun experience.



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