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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2015.06.23 22:49:00 -
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Ccp being silent on this issue had me look at anarticle on kotaku about game development costs being 20 million dollars and upwards of one hundred million dollars depending on what game it was
So i am very pessimistic about the chances of ccp investing this level of money for either a pc or a PlayStation four port
Looking at the silence on legion leaves me wondering if perhaps ccp will invest 2.5 to five million dollars for a dust 514 port to
Mobile?
I have my doubts
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.06.23 22:57:00 -
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I thought the possibility of any kind of port died when the community shat on legion during the great fanfest reveal?
Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$.
GreatestCPMOFAllTime
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.06.23 22:57:00 -
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I thought the possibility of any kind of port died when the community shat on legion during the great fanfest reveal?
Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$.
GreatestCPMOFAllTime
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:03:00 -
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Because it's made with the same kind of code a three year old would type on a mac?
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:04:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:I thought the possibility of any kind of port died when the community shat on legion during the great fanfest reveal?
Legion wasn't a port.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:06:00 -
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I don't typically trust Koataku from a credibility standpoint. Did they detail their calculation or otherwise how they arrived at those numbers?
Have a pony
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:09:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:I don't typically trust Koataku from a credibility standpoint. Did they detail their calculation or otherwise how they arrived at those numbers?
They asked shunei yoshida and a bunch of other development studios executives .
Also they added development studios investor reports information on the issues of game development costs
And contracts i.E. Destiny cost 140 million dollars._._._._ouch |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:29:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:I thought the possibility of any kind of port died when the community shat on legion during the great fanfest reveal?
Nope
I think dust 514 port died when hilmar ran a 20 million dollars to 140 million dollars budget past investors |
Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:45:00 -
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toprekt
"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:24:00 -
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You are comparing AAA games to all others...
That is like comparing the costs of the Yankees with that of a Minor League team.
It might be the same sport, but you are talking different levels.
I don't think you understand the variety of different development scales.
Destiny has hundreds of people working on one game. Dust has a handful.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:29:00 -
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The majority of DUST funds went into their new pet project Valkyrie.
Perhaps they'll surprise us all, but I'm starting to think that maybe imprisoning their bankers wasn't the best idea haha. Feels like they're struggling for ISKies. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:30:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:You are comparing AAA games to all others...
That is like comparing the costs of the Yankees with that of a Minor League team.
It might be the same sport, but you are talking different levels.
I don't think you understand the variety of different development scales.
Destiny has hundreds of people working on one game. Dust has a handful.
laser focused AAA shooter said CCP
The budgets were from AAA to basic Budget game hence the 140 million to 20 million Budget spread with a few costing ten million dollars
mobilie runs from a hundred thousand to a few million
whats worrisome is that not even a dust 514 port to mobile has been announced
Think on that. |
Russel Mendoza
Klandatu
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:32:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:You are comparing AAA games to all others...
That is like comparing the costs of the Yankees with that of a Minor League team.
It might be the same sport, but you are talking different levels.
I don't think you understand the variety of different development scales.
Destiny has hundreds of people working on one game. Dust has a handful.
to op
please dont shoot down a dust514 port to another platform. i want dust to live on.
I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!!
Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu"
Vehicle request accepted.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:36:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:One Eyed King wrote:You are comparing AAA games to all others...
That is like comparing the costs of the Yankees with that of a Minor League team.
It might be the same sport, but you are talking different levels.
I don't think you understand the variety of different development scales.
Destiny has hundreds of people working on one game. Dust has a handful. laser focused AAA shooter said CCP The budgets were from AAA to basic Budget game hence the 140 million to 20 million Budget spread with a few costing ten million dollars mobilie runs from a hundred thousand to a few million whats worrisome is that not even a dust 514 port to mobile has been announced Think on that.
Those numbers are laughable.
You think the guy who made Flappy Bird all by himself spend a hundred thousand dollars?
You think the guys that came up with Goat Simulator over the course of a few hours spent tons of money polishing it?
CCP made a lot of promises but I never recall them calling Dust a AAA game.
I would be happy to look at any evidence you have to the contrary.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:37:00 -
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Russel Mendoza wrote:One Eyed King wrote:You are comparing AAA games to all others...
That is like comparing the costs of the Yankees with that of a Minor League team.
It might be the same sport, but you are talking different levels.
I don't think you understand the variety of different development scales.
Destiny has hundreds of people working on one game. Dust has a handful. to op please dont shoot down a dust514 port to another platform. i want dust to live on.
so do i bro
but when CCP is reluctant to even consider and talk about a mobile port thats a worry flag
i mean a low ball hundred grand for a mobile port and still no news on a dust 514 port?
theres kickstarter i.e. Shenmue 3 got two million in a few hours
Star Citizen got seventy million
But CCP?
No Word
So it looks like its milk the aurum sales?
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:41:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:CCP made a lot of promises but I never recall them calling Dust a AAA game.
FAQ
"DUST 514 marks a first for consoles as a AAA free-to-play FPS" |
Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:42:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:One Eyed King wrote:You are comparing AAA games to all others...
That is like comparing the costs of the Yankees with that of a Minor League team.
It might be the same sport, but you are talking different levels.
I don't think you understand the variety of different development scales.
Destiny has hundreds of people working on one game. Dust has a handful. laser focused AAA shooter said CCP The budgets were from AAA to basic Budget game hence the 140 million to 20 million Budget spread with a few costing ten million dollars mobilie runs from a hundred thousand to a few million whats worrisome is that not even a dust 514 port to mobile has been announced Think on that. Those numbers are laughable. You think the guy who made Flappy Bird all by himself spend a hundred thousand dollars? You think the guys that came up with Goat Simulator over the course of a few hours spent tons of money polishing it? CCP made a lot of promises but I never recall them calling Dust a AAA game. I would be happy to look at any evidence you have to the contrary.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/04/29/dust-514-promises-to-be-a-game-changer-an-interview-with-ccp-games-ceo-hilmar-petersson/
DUST 514 Is A New Kind Of Shooter - An Interview With CCP Games CEO Hilmar P+¬tursson
Why did CCP decide to make DUST a Sony PlayStation exclusive title, and are there any plans for a PC version? Is there any concern that PC gamers who play EVE will feel betrayed by the lack of a PC port?
Doing this on the PS3 has really helped make DUST 514 a AAA console product with all the good things that brings. Easy to get into, intuitive, etc. I am pretty certain we would have ended up with something much more complicated if we would have done this on a PC, so this has made for a game that is much closer to reaching our goals of making a product for people which were not finding themselves in the current EVE Online. DUST allows us to grow the EVE Universe and make it more interesting without having to change the core gameplay of something that people love with a passion
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:57:00 -
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Kotaku? That same place with the corrupt game journalism? Not a very reliable place for info if you ask me. Journalist over there will write horseshit just for some ass. But I will take your word for it. For now anyways
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2015.06.24 01:06:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Kotaku? That same place with the corrupt game journalism? Not a very reliable place for info if you ask me. Journalist over there will write horseshit just for some ass. But I will take your word for it. For now anyways
my Word counts for nothing
on the other hand the Word of Shunei Yoshida and other Game Development Executives counts for a lot |
Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.24 01:12:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Kotaku? That same place with the corrupt game journalism? Not a very reliable place for info if you ask me. Journalist over there will write horseshit just for some ass. But I will take your word for it. For now anyways my Word counts for nothing on the other hand the Word of Shunei Yoshida and other Game Development Executives counts for a lot i.e. Ubisoft Ives Gullemot or however its spelled on how much a game Ubisoft developed cost
This is Ubisoft we're talking about, surely they will have much higher costs than ccp but then again, Hilmar doesn't give a damn about this game I'm sure. If he did, Rat man and his small team won't shoulder all this work alone.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.24 01:45:00 -
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Well he did describe it as AAA.
Clearly he is delusional.
That being said, I am confident he learned a few things since then.
People always have certain ideas of how a project will go, and amend those expectations all the time.
Now might be a good time to stop thinking of Dust as a AAA game if you hadn't done that already.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.06.24 01:54:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:People always have certain ideas of how a project will go, and amend those expectations all the time.
*cough cough* Ten Year Plan *cough cough hack wheeeezzzeeeee* |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.24 02:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:One Eyed King wrote:People always have certain ideas of how a project will go, and amend those expectations all the time.
*cough cough* Ten Year Plan *cough cough hack wheeeezzzeeeee*
Precisely my point.
They no longer have long term plans because they can't right now.
They are buying more time with game improvements, and the better they do, the more time we get.
Rattati is making the most of what he was given, and if anyone still holds on to words and articles two or three years old, after all that has happened since, then that is on them.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.06.24 02:13:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:One Eyed King wrote:People always have certain ideas of how a project will go, and amend those expectations all the time.
*cough cough* Ten Year Plan *cough cough hack wheeeezzzeeeee* Precisely my point. They no longer have long term plans because they can't right now. They are buying more time with game improvements, and the better they do, the more time we get. Rattati is making the most of what he was given, and if anyone still holds on to words and articles two or three years old, after all that has happened since, then that is on them.
I agree completely.
I have absolutely no expectations from this game and I honestly have never felt better about it. I don't think about it, I don't play it, and I just come here to get my daily dose of laughs. Honestly, it's the best way I can honor all the time I wasted listening to CCPs sales pitch.
If DUST ever gets a dev team and is put on a platform worth mentioning, I might return. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2015.06.24 02:15:00 -
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Which I have commenting about for a few years now. CCP cut the fat out of the devs. And the meat. And some organs. At least two of the limbs and has a skeleton crew left. They are making a profit. Making a new game (aka Legion) requires a full team. Even a port to the new consoles is horribly expensive.
If they need a CCP/PC/FPS game, well CCP had one. The prototype for Dust was on their own engine and ran significantly better, from what I understood.
Right now Valkyrie has the focus. Once that sinks or swims, then CCP might take another look. But, expect that look to be named Legion.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.06.24 04:25:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:I thought the possibility of any kind of port died when the community shat on legion during the great fanfest reveal? Legion wasn't a port.
Semantics imo.
It was recycling alot of dust assets and everyone including ccp was talking about porting over dust stats and isk. They even used the exact same developers they had working on dust to start creating legion. Saying that was or was not a port is only a matter of opinion. Even whatever CCP tries to declare it as would only be their opinion. I say that legion was as close of a port to dust as we would ever get. It was a remake/redesign granted but it was still a port in my eyes.
Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$.
GreatestCPMOFAllTime
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.06.24 04:37:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Ccp being silent on this issue had me look at anarticle on kotaku about game development costs being 20 million dollars and upwards of one hundred million dollars depending on what game it was
So i am very pessimistic about the chances of ccp investing this level of money for either a pc or a PlayStation four port
Looking at the silence on legion leaves me wondering if perhaps ccp will invest 2.5 to five million dollars for a dust 514 port to
Mobile?
I have my doubts
Maybe we should have a 'bake sale' or host a 'bikini car wash' to help CCP raise money for this.
I can make some awesome cookies.  |
Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:31:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Ccp being silent on this issue had me look at anarticle on kotaku about game development costs being 20 million dollars and upwards of one hundred million dollars depending on what game it was
So i am very pessimistic about the chances of ccp investing this level of money for either a pc or a PlayStation four port
Looking at the silence on legion leaves me wondering if perhaps ccp will invest 2.5 to five million dollars for a dust 514 port to
Mobile?
I have my doubts
Maybe we should have a 'bake sale' or host a 'bikini car wash' to help CCP raise money for this. I can make some awesome cookies.
All Ccp needs to do is create a kickstarter to guage real interest via a deliberate funding goal
No risk either |
Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:52:00 -
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*sees another port thread*
*leaves forever*
If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident.
probably.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2015.06.24 22:22:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:*sees another port thread*
*leaves forever*
All due respect but are you one those Ccp adherents who thinks this game will still be on ps3 twenty years from now?
Spoiler the ps3 hardware sales are dying spoiler |
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