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Count- -Crotchula
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:16:00 -
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is the people complaining about it.
every now and then I may get lucky, a heavy will come round the corner but I've got him on my scans, I have a triple-complex-damage-modded prof 5 viziam charge shot loaded up.
the heavy is MLT and has roughly 900hp, the charge shot to the head more than depletes shields than 4-5 follow-up shots kill him, 900hp dead in a second, that person has no idea what's going on and complains without knowing just how powerful my gun was, not due to the gun's base stats, but my investment (sp) and my risk (isk) in running it.
those are the kind of people complaining about the scr, the ones too ignorant to acknowledge that, maybe just maybe, you got shot in the head with a gun that does over 100hp of damage to shields per shot because of time and ISK investment and you were in a MLT suit?
remember, some people are just really good, and some people just get lucky. A good SCR fit costs 150k as well! Maybe the person with that much at risk should have the edge? Or should your MLT suit perform just as well, just because it's not fair that somehow, the other person has been playing longer than you.
Sometimes I'm surprised at how heavies can't win in 1v1 VS my Viziam, as they're in CQC with a gun which has no spool time, great efficiency in CQC and high DPS, but if they lose in that situation, it's mostly because...they suck! People need to stop expecting to win based on stats and other variables, just accept your reactions, the lag and what you saw plain and true, don't crunch numbers trying to work out why the situation didn't work when you're only trying to prove the other guy must be cheating or using OP weaponry. crunch numbers to plan your next attack!
It's not OK to say "you just suck" but when it comes to the SCR debate, 99% of the time, you just suck, try another suit, try another weapon, watch the efficiency rating, and TRY AGAIN. Yes your shield suit will be useless, you know this so why use it and then complain about it? Use another suit.
So what you want is for our weapon to be ineffective VS other people, because they may be new, have a lot less health, the problem there is the new player being in the same match as the vet, but we can't fix this, because the player count isn't high enough!
It's too little, too late, DUST isn't big enough to stop these stomps so:
1) accept that this is how it is
2) accept that it probably won't change
3) play the game for what it is, not what it isn't.
4) as hopelessly addicted as I and other people are, no matter how matured they are into the "bitter-vet" portion of their life, there ARE other games out there and you CAN put this one down.
5) realise that the player count is too low to find appropriately-skilled people within an acceptable time-frame and that the separation of players may have a huge effect on wait times, encouraging people to leave, meaning you just killed your own game! We need to be together not apart! |
Z Vatican
Hentai Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:41:00 -
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Question... Were you using an Amarr Assault? I mean... you could of have been using a GK.0 assault for all I care.
I personally don't like the Scrambler rifle since it literally eats through armor/shield. Its not about the charge shots that annoy me as a Cal player. Its on how fast you can hit your trigger button and thats how fast your scrambler rifle will shoot.
I've tried the Amar assault with a Viz with 3 complex damage mods. Its ridiculous how many kills you can rack up with it.
I've seen so many people run the scrambler rifle on a MK.0 Assault. and even watched a Assault C-1 use an Assault Scrambler.
For a person such as myself I like to keep things racial and all but obviously we don't have to do that and thats just my preference. I will always stay playing as a Caldari assault. Of course its obvious to change suits and play but I won't change from that.
I pulled out a Amarr Assault A-1 and threw a Carthum assault SCR on it and literally ran around racking up points. At the end of the match I realized I went 93/11/9 and had a total of 5055 WP. They people I was up against were just militia users. There were quite a few proto stompers but were put in their place with just a Scrambler rifle.
Try talking with other players. Some even stopped using the scrambler rifle since it was no fun using anymore. Told me that it killed too quickly and was just OP.
These are players who've played the AK.0 Assault with the SCR with damage mods and have claimed it was boring.
I'm not going to say that what you're saying is wrong. It does take skill to use certain weapons. But some people have modded controllers and can shoot the scrambler rifle insanely fast.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:54:00 -
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Z Vatican wrote:Question... Were you using an Amarr Assault? I mean... you could of have been using a GK.0 assault for all I care.
I personally don't like the Scrambler rifle since it literally eats through armor/shield. Its not about the charge shots that annoy me as a Cal player. Its on how fast you can hit your trigger button and thats how fast your scrambler rifle will shoot.
I've tried the Amar assault with a Viz with 3 complex damage mods. Its ridiculous how many kills you can rack up with it.
I've seen so many people run the scrambler rifle on a MK.0 Assault. and even watched a Assault C-1 use an Assault Scrambler.
For a person such as myself I like to keep things racial and all but obviously we don't have to do that and thats just my preference. I will always stay playing as a Caldari assault. Of course its obvious to change suits and play but I won't change from that.
I pulled out a Amarr Assault A-1 and threw a Carthum assault SCR on it and literally ran around racking up points. At the end of the match I realized I went 93/11/9 and had a total of 5055 WP. They people I was up against were just militia users. There were quite a few proto stompers but were put in their place with just a Scrambler rifle.
Try talking with other players. Some even stopped using the scrambler rifle since it was no fun using anymore. Told me that it killed too quickly and was just OP.
These are players who've played the AK.0 Assault with the SCR with damage mods and have claimed it was boring.
I'm not going to say that what you're saying is wrong. It does take skill to use certain weapons. But some people have modded controllers and can shoot the scrambler rifle insanely fast.
I completely agree with this statement for the sole reason that even the mlt ScR can destroy any suits and I have even seen AK.0 using it why use a proto ScR when the mlt one is just as good as any other proto weapon on other suits
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:18:00 -
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Believe me When I say I only play Amarr tech most of the time and well the the ScR is a bit overpowered, it can use a nerf which I sure don't mind,will add more flavour to my playstyle. heck why I even like the ScR is its unique compared to other guns where you just hold R1 and aim. ScR lost its flavour to me when everyone started using its spammy capabilities for CQC.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:23:00 -
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Oh stop it dude. The SCR is OP. Get from behind your armor defense and then talk after a weeks worth of playing.
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Darkstalker Astrea
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:31:00 -
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I agree BURN THESE FOOLS AHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:32:00 -
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So much qq. Know what people? Nerf ScR already.
I mean.. it's gonna be double nerf. Or triple nerf actually.
ScR, assault speed, strafe speed.
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:38:00 -
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Lemme get this straight. Everybody is wrong, cause your gun is OP? Man, you gotta get your priorities right
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DAAAA BEAST
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:09:00 -
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Scheherazade VII from his real name.
I do agree you should have the edge over someone , but this weapon got out of hand with the trigger fire rate and ability at CQC. It has been fixed , it's more balanced now.
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Carnage , and it must have felt wrong that most of the kills were so easy to obtain at CQC.
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Boot Booter
Eat Your Cookies INC
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:18:00 -
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OK fine my shield suit should be useless against scr. So let's make your armor suit useless against cr. Let's change cr to -20%/+20% and see all you armor scrubs come to the forums and cry. Don't talk about **** you don't understand.
Just today I came across a good player in with a viziam and proto amarr assault. I got the drop on him, cooked a standard grenade and started hitting him with a basic Ar. However I was in a shield tanked cal assault and he turned and killed me in less than a second without a charge. I barely hit his armor. No single weapon should nullify a playstyles. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:20:00 -
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Z Vatican wrote: I pulled out a Amarr Assault A-1 and threw a Carthum assault SCR on it and literally ran around racking up points. At the end of the match I realized I went 93/11/9 and had a total of 5055 WP. There were quite a few proto stompers but were put in their place with just a Scrambler rifle.
I require pictures.
Otherwise I'm afraid I don't believe you.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:36:00 -
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The problem as I see it is people comparing the tactical rifle class against that of say the Breach Class and then insisting the weapon itself is 'OP by comparison' while not including the Tactical Assault Rifle in their statements.
1164 Anti Shield DPS [1164 is an Amarr Assault with the maximum Proficiency and 3x Complex Damage Modules] is the number thrown around most by detractors of the weapon which is often claimed to be incredibly unbalanced. Putting aside whether it is or isn't for a moment take at look at the Tactical Assault Rifle.
Viziam Scrambler Rifle = 1164 DPS vs Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle = 1090 DPS [greater anti armour DPS]
Both weapons in the line and fairly well balanced against one another. Outside of the that line? Perhaps not.
Compare this to the Burst Rifle Class of weapons assuming full proficiency and the same 3x Complex Light Damage Module model.
Boundless Combat Rifle = 927.31 DPS vs Allotek Burst Assault Rifle = 925.81
Still fairly well balanced against the other rifle in the Burst line.... but outside of that?
Rather than nerfing a specific outlier it strikes me more practical to balance the rifles against other examples from within their own variation/line and then once done homogenise the rifle variations so that no one rifle variation is clearly superior than the others.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:46:00 -
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No dispersion: consequentially, less SP needs to be invested in scramblers than ARs or CBRs Long range Semi auto is actually easier to use in CQC than burst fire is Large magazine for having a low (intended) RoF
I say cut the mag size first and see what happens.
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nelo kazuma
Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415
278
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Posted - 2015.06.16 22:28:00 -
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Lets see u say the same when they do nerf it lol youll do one of the following 1 complain cuz its actually balanced 2 switch to new weapon 3 quit game lol my favorite 4 reskill See I can make lists to doesnt change the fact this weapon is faulty n needs to be changed u know it I know it community knows it. You n other scr users just afraid your weapon will be turned in the assault rifle which is a great weapon n the most balanced in my opinion because its great against shields but not as great against armor which is why community doesnt use hell even gallente whose bonus is for it use scr n rr or cr
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.16 22:38:00 -
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I'm just waiting till they nerf it again. Been using this gun for over a year and another nerf isn't gonna stop me. Get it over with it already!
AmarrFTW
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.17 09:09:00 -
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We'll have to see how much of a nerf and buff will ScR and AR get.
After changes [after foxtrot], minmatar commando with CR will be spotted more often.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:40:00 -
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Z Vatican wrote: I personally don't like the Scrambler rifle since it literally eats through armor/shield.
Literally?
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The problem as I see it is people comparing the tactical rifle class against that of say the Breach Class and then insisting the weapon itself is 'OP by comparison' while not including the Tactical Assault Rifle in their statements.
1164 Anti Shield DPS [1164 is an Amarr Assault with the maximum Proficiency and 3x Complex Damage Modules] is the number thrown around most by detractors of the weapon which is often claimed to be incredibly unbalanced. Putting aside whether it is or isn't for a moment take at look at the Tactical Assault Rifle.
Viziam Scrambler Rifle = 1164 DPS vs Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle = 1090 DPS [greater anti armour DPS]
Both weapons in the line and fairly well balanced against one another. Outside of the that line? Perhaps not.
Compare this to the Burst Rifle Class of weapons assuming full proficiency and the same 3x Complex Light Damage Module model.
Boundless Combat Rifle = 927.31 DPS vs Allotek Burst Assault Rifle = 925.81
Still fairly well balanced against the other rifle in the Burst line.... but outside of that?
Rather than nerfing a specific outlier it strikes me more practical to balance the rifles against other examples from within their own variation/line and then once done homogenise the rifle variations so that no one rifle variation is clearly superior than the others. My anger is not rifle v rifle but a rifle v suit scr tear through my shields in seconds and thats what we're discussing.
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:51:00 -
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hands down the best and worst weapon. 1. sheilds die even faster and armour melts like butter(hail the scarmbler) 2.its a scrub move to use a viziam or the adv version of it.
well at least i can get the drop on these scrubs with my shotgun,oh wait im permascanned.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:35:00 -
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The AScR is a bit on the OP side. It's why I'm using the ones that come from the boxes. |
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Raven-747
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.06.17 17:26:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:is the people complaining about it.
every now and then I may get lucky, a heavy will come round the corner but I've got him on my scans, I have a triple-complex-damage-modded prof 5 viziam charge shot loaded up.
the heavy is MLT and has roughly 900hp, the charge shot to the head more than depletes shields than 4-5 follow-up shots kill him, 900hp dead in a second, that person has no idea what's going on and complains without knowing just how powerful my gun was, not due to the gun's base stats, but my investment (sp) and my risk (isk) in running it.
those are the kind of people complaining about the scr, the ones too ignorant to acknowledge that, maybe just maybe, you got shot in the head with a gun that does over 100hp of damage to shields per shot because of time and ISK investment and you were in a MLT suit?
remember, some people are just really good, and some people just get lucky. A good SCR fit costs 150k as well! Maybe the person with that much at risk should have the edge? Or should your MLT suit perform just as well, just because it's not fair that somehow, the other person has been playing longer than you.
Sometimes I'm surprised at how heavies can't win in 1v1 VS my Viziam, as they're in CQC with a gun which has no spool time, great efficiency in CQC and high DPS, but if they lose in that situation, it's mostly because...they suck! People need to stop expecting to win based on stats and other variables, just accept your reactions, the lag and what you saw plain and true, don't crunch numbers trying to work out why the situation didn't work when you're only trying to prove the other guy must be cheating or using OP weaponry. crunch numbers to plan your next attack!
It's not OK to say "you just suck" but when it comes to the SCR debate, 99% of the time, you just suck, try another suit, try another weapon, watch the efficiency rating, and TRY AGAIN. Yes your shield suit will be useless, you know this so why use it and then complain about it? Use another suit.
So what you want is for our weapon to be ineffective VS other people, because they may be new, have a lot less health, the problem there is the new player being in the same match as the vet, but we can't fix this, because the player count isn't high enough!
It's too little, too late, DUST isn't big enough to stop these stomps so:
1) accept that this is how it is
2) accept that it probably won't change
3) play the game for what it is, not what it isn't.
4) as hopelessly addicted as I and other people are, no matter how matured they are into the "bitter-vet" portion of their life, there ARE other games out there and you CAN put this one down.
5) realise that the player count is too low to find appropriately-skilled people within an acceptable time-frame and that the separation of players may have a huge effect on wait times, encouraging people to leave, meaning you just killed your own game! We need to be together not apart! I completely agree with you. Don't care about people who calculate some dps crap and post and then cry about how op scr is. Scr is strong weapon agreed but it needs skill and and it involves risk (Overheating) Also the cost of fitting is pretty high. I'm happy that there are people who actually support the scr. (Ignore them dumb caldari assault ck.0 who prob lost to a MLT scr and are raging on the forums)
You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
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Raven-747
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.06.17 17:33:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:OK fine my shield suit should be useless against scr. So let's make your armor suit useless against cr. Let's change cr to -20%/+20% and see all you armor scrubs come to the forums and cry. Don't talk about **** you don't understand.
Just today I came across a good player in with a viziam and proto amarr assault. I got the drop on him, cooked a standard grenade and started hitting him with a basic Ar. However I was in a shield tanked cal assault and he turned and killed me in less than a second without a charge. I barely hit his armor. No single weapon should nullify a playstyles. So you are saying you caught a proto armor tanked suit with a weapon effective on shield of the std tier. Also with a cal assault lol. No wonder he fried you and now you are angry because you lost to a proto with Std gear especially a dropsuit weak to laser.
You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2015.06.17 17:53:00 -
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Put 3 damage mods with a Carthum AScR I felt dirty. Went back to using my RR and CR since I prof 5 on them anyway
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Z Vatican
Hentai Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.18 11:30:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Z Vatican wrote: I pulled out a Amarr Assault A-1 and threw a Carthum assault SCR on it and literally ran around racking up points. At the end of the match I realized I went 93/11/9 and had a total of 5055 WP. There were quite a few proto stompers but were put in their place with just a Scrambler rifle.
I require pictures. Otherwise I'm afraid I don't believe you.
I wrote down my score when I got this score. I also was playing with a Gods Among Men player who can vouch since he was the only person in my squad. Then I disconnected from dust.
I don't see the point of why I would lie about something like this. Its my personal best record. But I won't force you to believe me.
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Spaceman-Rob
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.18 12:25:00 -
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This thread is stupid, the scrambler is suppose to be the best weapon in the game, it's supposed to destroy both shield and armor equally. There's no way the other weapons should be able to compete with my scrambler. I'm not playing this game anymore if it gets a nerf because all the other guns are rubbish. |
Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.18 13:35:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:This thread is stupid, the scrambler is suppose to be the best weapon in the game, it's supposed to destroy both shield and armor equally. There's no way the other weapons should be able to compete with my scrambler. I'm not playing this game anymore if it gets a nerf because all the other guns are rubbish. I think its the lack of Tactical variants that makes it hard to balance the ScR. Of course this is just my opnion
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.18 15:43:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:is the people complaining about it.
every now and then I may get lucky, a heavy will come round the corner but I've got him on my scans, I have a triple-complex-damage-modded prof 5 viziam charge shot loaded up.
the heavy is MLT and has roughly 900hp, the charge shot to the head more than depletes shields than 4-5 follow-up shots kill him, 900hp dead in a second, that person has no idea what's going on and complains without knowing just how powerful my gun was, not due to the gun's base stats, but my investment (sp) and my risk (isk) in running it.
those are the kind of people complaining about the scr, the ones too ignorant to acknowledge that, maybe just maybe, you got shot in the head with a gun that does over 100hp of damage to shields per shot because of time and ISK investment and you were in a MLT suit?
remember, some people are just really good, and some people just get lucky. A good SCR fit costs 150k as well! Maybe the person with that much at risk should have the edge? Or should your MLT suit perform just as well, just because it's not fair that somehow, the other person has been playing longer than you.
Sometimes I'm surprised at how heavies can't win in 1v1 VS my Viziam, as they're in CQC with a gun which has no spool time, great efficiency in CQC and high DPS, but if they lose in that situation, it's mostly because...they suck! People need to stop expecting to win based on stats and other variables, just accept your reactions, the lag and what you saw plain and true, don't crunch numbers trying to work out why the situation didn't work when you're only trying to prove the other guy must be cheating or using OP weaponry. crunch numbers to plan your next attack!
It's not OK to say "you just suck" but when it comes to the SCR debate, 99% of the time, you just suck, try another suit, try another weapon, watch the efficiency rating, and TRY AGAIN. Yes your shield suit will be useless, you know this so why use it and then complain about it? Use another suit.
So what you want is for our weapon to be ineffective VS other people, because they may be new, have a lot less health, the problem there is the new player being in the same match as the vet, but we can't fix this, because the player count isn't high enough!
It's too little, too late, DUST isn't big enough to stop these stomps so:
1) accept that this is how it is
2) accept that it probably won't change
3) play the game for what it is, not what it isn't.
4) as hopelessly addicted as I and other people are, no matter how matured they are into the "bitter-vet" portion of their life, there ARE other games out there and you CAN put this one down.
5) realise that the player count is too low to find appropriately-skilled people within an acceptable time-frame and that the separation of players may have a huge effect on wait times, encouraging people to leave, meaning you just killed your own game! We need to be together not apart! You pretty much just told us to get used to a broken game? You just told us to stop trying to fix the game and not fix it cause YOU don't want to get you broken gun fixed? Your something else you need to fix your priorities.
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Jammer Jalapeno
Dox You. Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2015.06.18 16:23:00 -
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Errrrmaaaaagawd Not another one of these threads
Everything is OP in their own way atm....and for once things actually feel a bit balanced...well maybe not nova knives but who cares.
Believe it or not you actually need half decent aim to be effective with an ScR...I get that it rips through shields in no time but maybe it is because Caldari is in need of a serious SHIELD BUFF yarrrr
Come on peoples quit yer bitchin!!!
It's nice to have variety in this game, every race needs to have their own badass gun otherwise we would all be running around in gKo's with RR's
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Z Vatican
Hentai Federation
37
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Posted - 2015.06.19 13:03:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:Errrrmaaaaagawd Not another one of these threads
Everything is OP in their own way atm....and for once things actually feel a bit balanced...well maybe not nova knives but who cares.
Believe it or not you actually need half decent aim to be effective with an ScR...I get that it rips through shields in no time but maybe it is because Caldari is in need of a serious SHIELD BUFF yarrrr
Come on peoples quit yer bitchin!!!
It's nice to have variety in this game, every race needs to have their own badass gun otherwise we would all be running around in gKo's with RR's
YUSH YUSH YUSH! Give me some buffs! Or.... let me be able to hold 1300 shield like the amarr can hold 1300 armor! :D
I cry when I see a GK.0 with a RR. But you got to love it. xD
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