Question... Were you using an Amarr Assault? I mean... you could of have been using a GK.0 assault for all I care.

I personally don't like the Scrambler rifle since it literally eats through armor/shield. Its not about the charge shots that annoy me as a Cal player. Its on how fast you can hit your trigger button and thats how fast your scrambler rifle will shoot.

I've tried the Amar assault with a Viz with 3 complex damage mods. Its ridiculous how many kills you can rack up with it.

I've seen so many people run the scrambler rifle on a MK.0 Assault. and even watched a Assault C-1 use an Assault Scrambler.

For a person such as myself I like to keep things racial and all but obviously we don't have to do that and thats just my preference. I will always stay playing as a Caldari assault. Of course its obvious to change suits and play but I won't change from that.

I pulled out a Amarr Assault A-1 and threw a Carthum assault SCR on it and literally ran around racking up points. At the end of the match I realized I went 93/11/9 and had a total of 5055 WP. They people I was up against were just militia users. There were quite a few proto stompers but were put in their place with just a Scrambler rifle.

Try talking with other players. Some even stopped using the scrambler rifle since it was no fun using anymore. Told me that it killed too quickly and was just OP.

These are players who've played the AK.0 Assault with the SCR with damage mods and have claimed it was boring.

I'm not going to say that what you're saying is wrong. It does take skill to use certain weapons. But some people have modded controllers and can shoot the scrambler rifle insanely fast.

I pulled out a Amarr Assault A-1 and threw a Carthum assault SCR on it and literally ran around racking up points. At the end of the match I realized I went 93/11/9 and had a total of 5055 WP. There were quite a few proto stompers but were put in their place with just a Scrambler rifle.

I personally don't like the Scrambler rifle since it literally eats through armor/shield.

The problem as I see it is people comparing the tactical rifle class against that of say the Breach Class and then insisting the weapon itself is 'OP by comparison' while not including the Tactical Assault Rifle in their statements.

1164 Anti Shield DPS [1164 is an Amarr Assault with the maximum Proficiency and 3x Complex Damage Modules] is the number thrown around most by detractors of the weapon which is often claimed to be incredibly unbalanced. Putting aside whether it is or isn't for a moment take at look at the Tactical Assault Rifle.


Viziam Scrambler Rifle = 1164 DPS
vs
Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle = 1090 DPS [greater anti armour DPS]

Both weapons in the line and fairly well balanced against one another. Outside of the that line? Perhaps not.

Compare this to the Burst Rifle Class of weapons assuming full proficiency and the same 3x Complex Light Damage Module model.

Boundless Combat Rifle = 927.31 DPS
vs
Allotek Burst Assault Rifle = 925.81

Still fairly well balanced against the other rifle in the Burst line.... but outside of that?

Rather than nerfing a specific outlier it strikes me more practical to balance the rifles against other examples from within their own variation/line and then once done homogenise the rifle variations so that no one rifle variation is clearly superior than the others.

is the people complaining about it.

every now and then I may get lucky, a heavy will come round the corner but I've got him on my scans, I have a triple-complex-damage-modded prof 5 viziam charge shot loaded up.

the heavy is MLT and has roughly 900hp, the charge shot to the head more than depletes shields than 4-5 follow-up shots kill him, 900hp dead in a second, that person has no idea what's going on and complains without knowing just how powerful my gun was, not due to the gun's base stats, but my investment (sp) and my risk (isk) in running it.

those are the kind of people complaining about the scr, the ones too ignorant to acknowledge that, maybe just maybe, you got shot in the head with a gun that does over 100hp of damage to shields per shot because of time and ISK investment and you were in a MLT suit?

remember, some people are just really good, and some people just get lucky. A good SCR fit costs 150k as well! Maybe the person with that much at risk should have the edge? Or should your MLT suit perform just as well, just because it's not fair that somehow, the other person has been playing longer than you.

Sometimes I'm surprised at how heavies can't win in 1v1 VS my Viziam, as they're in CQC with a gun which has no spool time, great efficiency in CQC and high DPS, but if they lose in that situation, it's mostly because...they suck! People need to stop expecting to win based on stats and other variables, just accept your reactions, the lag and what you saw plain and true, don't crunch numbers trying to work out why the situation didn't work when you're only trying to prove the other guy must be cheating or using OP weaponry. crunch numbers to plan your next attack!

It's not OK to say "you just suck" but when it comes to the SCR debate, 99% of the time, you just suck, try another suit, try another weapon, watch the efficiency rating, and TRY AGAIN. Yes your shield suit will be useless, you know this so why use it and then complain about it? Use another suit.

So what you want is for our weapon to be ineffective VS other people, because they may be new, have a lot less health, the problem there is the new player being in the same match as the vet, but we can't fix this, because the player count isn't high enough!

It's too little, too late, DUST isn't big enough to stop these stomps so:

1) accept that this is how it is

2) accept that it probably won't change

3) play the game for what it is, not what it isn't.

4) as hopelessly addicted as I and other people are, no matter how matured they are into the "bitter-vet" portion of their life, there ARE other games out there and you CAN put this one down.

5) realise that the player count is too low to find appropriately-skilled people within an acceptable time-frame and that the separation of players may have a huge effect on wait times, encouraging people to leave, meaning you just killed your own game! We need to be together not apart!

OK fine my shield suit should be useless against scr. So let's make your armor suit useless against cr. Let's change cr to -20%/+20% and see all you armor scrubs come to the forums and cry. Don't talk about **** you don't understand.

Just today I came across a good player in with a viziam and proto amarr assault. I got the drop on him, cooked a standard grenade and started hitting him with a basic Ar. However I was in a shield tanked cal assault and he turned and killed me in less than a second without a charge. I barely hit his armor. No single weapon should nullify a playstyles.

I require pictures.

Otherwise I'm afraid I don't believe you.

This thread is stupid, the scrambler is suppose to be the best weapon in the game, it's supposed to destroy both shield and armor equally. There's no way the other weapons should be able to compete with my scrambler. I'm not playing this game anymore if it gets a nerf because all the other guns are rubbish.

is the people complaining about it.

every now and then I may get lucky, a heavy will come round the corner but I've got him on my scans, I have a triple-complex-damage-modded prof 5 viziam charge shot loaded up.

the heavy is MLT and has roughly 900hp, the charge shot to the head more than depletes shields than 4-5 follow-up shots kill him, 900hp dead in a second, that person has no idea what's going on and complains without knowing just how powerful my gun was, not due to the gun's base stats, but my investment (sp) and my risk (isk) in running it.

those are the kind of people complaining about the scr, the ones too ignorant to acknowledge that, maybe just maybe, you got shot in the head with a gun that does over 100hp of damage to shields per shot because of time and ISK investment and you were in a MLT suit?

remember, some people are just really good, and some people just get lucky. A good SCR fit costs 150k as well! Maybe the person with that much at risk should have the edge? Or should your MLT suit perform just as well, just because it's not fair that somehow, the other person has been playing longer than you.

Sometimes I'm surprised at how heavies can't win in 1v1 VS my Viziam, as they're in CQC with a gun which has no spool time, great efficiency in CQC and high DPS, but if they lose in that situation, it's mostly because...they suck! People need to stop expecting to win based on stats and other variables, just accept your reactions, the lag and what you saw plain and true, don't crunch numbers trying to work out why the situation didn't work when you're only trying to prove the other guy must be cheating or using OP weaponry. crunch numbers to plan your next attack!

It's not OK to say "you just suck" but when it comes to the SCR debate, 99% of the time, you just suck, try another suit, try another weapon, watch the efficiency rating, and TRY AGAIN. Yes your shield suit will be useless, you know this so why use it and then complain about it? Use another suit.

So what you want is for our weapon to be ineffective VS other people, because they may be new, have a lot less health, the problem there is the new player being in the same match as the vet, but we can't fix this, because the player count isn't high enough!

It's too little, too late, DUST isn't big enough to stop these stomps so:

1) accept that this is how it is

2) accept that it probably won't change

3) play the game for what it is, not what it isn't.

4) as hopelessly addicted as I and other people are, no matter how matured they are into the "bitter-vet" portion of their life, there ARE other games out there and you CAN put this one down.

5) realise that the player count is too low to find appropriately-skilled people within an acceptable time-frame and that the separation of players may have a huge effect on wait times, encouraging people to leave, meaning you just killed your own game! We need to be together not apart!

Errrrmaaaaagawd Not another one of these threads


Everything is OP in their own way atm....and for once things actually feel a bit balanced...well maybe not nova knives but who cares.

Believe it or not you actually need half decent aim to be effective with an ScR...I get that it rips through shields in no time but maybe it is because Caldari is in need of a serious SHIELD BUFF yarrrr

Come on peoples quit yer bitchin!!!

It's nice to have variety in this game, every race needs to have their own badass gun otherwise we would all be running around in gKo's with RR's