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deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:23:00 - [1] - Quote why on earth would you do that?, it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits?, everyone running about in a bpo or proto would just ruin the battlefield entirely, i might as well play battlefield, i can see some pro points to it in an fps, but simply why tiered suits is what seperates dust from other fps, do this and you'll stand a good chance of killing your game too busy playing
Sergeant Sazu Mantodea MC 585	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:30:00 - [2] - Quote "This prevents me from stomping noobs and Dust will die because of it" thread #4582 [60.8m SP - Next skill: Minmando 5] "Sazu is the best logi. I shall not insult the Minmatar around him." -Thal Vadam
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:35:00 - [3] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that?, it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits?, everyone running about in a bpo or proto would just ruin the battlefield entirely, i might as well play battlefield, i can see some pro points to it in an fps, but simply why tiered suits is what seperates dust from other fps, do this and you'll stand a good chance of killing your game Agree. People seem to want what they know, even if what they know is uninteresting and uninspiring. PSN: RationalSpark
Magnus Belmont Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:36:00 - [4] - Quote They'll do what ever they want and those of us who have played for so long will keep playing no matter what they do to the game. Since it's free to play, all your complaints are rendered pointless on the large scale beyond just griping to yourself. Also, basic to proto you will still have the huge gap in CPU and PG, making it so you can't fit your basic like you can your proto still. This will allow newer guys to have a chance to compete against others when they play, how about you make a new character and run up against someone with 50+mil sp? Or 80mil+... Heck, we'll go as low as 20 mil. Point is, it's like using a whack-a-mole bat to take down a brick wall.
DDx77 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 310	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:40:00 - [5] - Quote I disagree B/c I think this will actually make basic and adv stronger What I'm most worried about is balancing all this insanity.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:44:00 - [6] - Quote Magnus Belmont wrote: They'll do what ever they want and those of us who have played for so long will keep playing no matter what they do to the game. Since it's free to play, all your complaints are rendered pointless on the large scale beyond just griping to yourself. Also, basic to proto you will still have the huge gap in CPU and PG, making it so you can't fit your basic like you can your proto still. This will allow newer guys to have a chance to compete against others when they play, how about you make a new character and run up against someone with 50+mil sp? Or 80mil+... Heck, we'll go as low as 20 mil. Point is, it's like using a whack-a-mole bat to take down a brick wall. With tiered matchmaking this isn't as much of an issue anymore - if a vet with a .8 kdr is running proto in the lower mu bracket he's still not much of a threat to a competent noob. With the rate at which the game hands out skillpoints now that competent noob is in advanced gear inside of a couple of weeks and starting to build up his core skills. PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:47:00 - [7] - Quote DDx77 wrote: I disagree B/c I think this will actually make basic and adv stronger What I'm most worried about is balancing all this insanity. It will definitely make vet's basic and advanced stronger, since vets have the core skills trained up and get more out of each module/weapon. PSN: RationalSpark
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:51:00 - [8] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: "This prevents me from stomping noobs and Dust will die because of it" thread #4582 More like, there is no economic purpose of earning ISK if you can't buy upgrades. Without ISK this game is not unique. Why not just play a triple A game for the PS4. Where is all the things i wanted to play this game for in the beta where is the uniqueness and stand out quality instead of expanding them and making them better we are just shrinking and downgrading to a lobby shooter. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. CBM In the CPM Get Dust ISK Here
deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:03:00 - [9] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: "This prevents me from stomping noobs and Dust will die because of it" thread #4582 okay, first of all, i usually run adv or a fw bpo, cause i'm making isk for me and SVER, so i'm not really what you call a 'proto stomper', i'm primarily a logi to allow my squad and team to perform better, if i'm in a full proto assault suit it means either i'm chasing down someone who has been trolling me, or cause it's a close fight and my team need more shooters too busy playing
Indianna Pwns TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 141	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:27:00 - [10] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: "This prevents me from stomping noobs and Dust will die because of it" thread #4582 More like, there is no economic purpose of earning ISK if you can't buy upgrades. Without ISK this game is not unique. Why not just play a triple A game for the PS4. Where is all the things i wanted to play this game for in the beta where is the uniqueness and stand out quality instead of expanding them and making them better we are just shrinking and downgrading to a lobby shooter. The problem with the current slot layout of STD suits is that they are almost impossibly gimped against higher tier suits and equipment. Take for example the STD min assault, sure a competent player can can tank it to a respectable level and be reasonably competitive, however the problem arises for example if the enemy starts using scanners or dampened scouts. You simply are too limited in the amount of slots you have at your disposal to counter those tactics without gimping your ehp levels to the point where you are unable to compete in firefights. However a STD suit with proto slot layouts will give players at that level a lot more choice and freedom. And to those saying this method of tiercide will make progression pointless are just plain wrong. Higher PG/CPU levels will allow players in adv and proto to equip better modules. I've always believed its the modules and the way you fit your suit that should give you an advantage in game, not having a dropsuit with a huge power disparity that will make you almost unkillable to newer players. A Proto weapon for example with 10% more damage over a STD weapon in most of FPS's would be considered a massive advantage already, having double the slots as well was overkill and we all know it!!!

deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:32:00 - [11] - Quote Magnus Belmont wrote: They'll do what ever they want and those of us who have played for so long will keep playing no matter what they do to the game. Since it's free to play, all your complaints are rendered pointless on the large scale beyond just griping to yourself. Also, basic to proto you will still have the huge gap in CPU and PG, making it so you can't fit your basic like you can your proto still. This will allow newer guys to have a chance to compete against others when they play, how about you make a new character and run up against someone with 50+mil sp? Or 80mil+... Heck, we'll go as low as 20 mil. Point is, it's like using a whack-a-mole bat to take down a brick wall. well either you or i have seriously misunderstood the term 'tiericide' , my understanding of the term is that ALL tiers are removed leaving ONLY 1 level of suit to choose, as to what level i cannot say, but there will be NO STANDARD, ADVANCED or PROTO, it will be 1 level with only the modules seperating suits, and you believe this will help newer players, on no my friend it will not, it will more than likely be worse, cause the vets will always be in the same suit level as new players, but with way more hp and firepower, whereas of right now a new player can get a proto suit with minimal skills (fw/aurum) fight a 100mill sp vet, but with the vet in a adv or basic bpo say, and win easily, put everyone in the same suit, and, wellit'll be feeding time at the zoo for the vets and the newer players will be dinner. I have said this before: The only way you can make the game better for new players is to have a 'starter fit only' battle mode where our suit upgrades DONOT COUNT, this would be great for new players and those wanting to grind isk, and allow progression to the other modes when and IF they want, to do this i would merge skirm with fw, keep ambush and dom the same, and make acqusistion the starter fit mode, yes it really is that simple, and it would allow new players to build isk, sp, and battle experience, without getting 'proto stomped', This really is the only way tohelp newer players and this game, because in the 'starter fit mode', the only difference between the players would be themselves, also there would have to be no vehicles in this mode, DONE (much better than 'tiericide') too busy playing
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:41:00 - [12] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that? it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits? The lower tiered suits would have less CPU/PG. There is still progression, there would be more fitting variety for STD and ADV dropsuits. That's a good thing considering that prior to tiericide your options for a STD dropsuit were: eHP or die instantly. Advanced was slightly better than that. You might fit one extra module that wasn't for tanking. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:45:00 - [13] - Quote It seems there is still massive, functional incomprehension of what Rattati's doing. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:46:00 - [14] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that? it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits? The lower tiered suits would have less CPU/PG. There is still progression, there would be more fitting variety for STD and ADV dropsuits. That's a good thing considering that prior to tiericide your options for a STD dropsuit were: eHP or die instantly. Advanced was slightly better than that. You might fit one extra module that wasn't for tanking. THERE WILL BE NO 'LOWER TIERED SUITS', THEY WILL ALL BE THE SAME WITH ONLY THE MODULES SEPERATING THEM. read the dev's posts, 'tiericide' means to get rid of all levels of suits, no proto, no adv, no standard ALL THE SAME too busy playing
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 230	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:49:00 - [15] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: Magnus Belmont wrote: They'll do what ever they want and those of us who have played for so long will keep playing no matter what they do to the game. Since it's free to play, all your complaints are rendered pointless on the large scale beyond just griping to yourself. Also, basic to proto you will still have the huge gap in CPU and PG, making it so you can't fit your basic like you can your proto still. This will allow newer guys to have a chance to compete against others when they play, how about you make a new character and run up against someone with 50+mil sp? Or 80mil+... Heck, we'll go as low as 20 mil. Point is, it's like using a whack-a-mole bat to take down a brick wall. well either you or i have seriously misunderstood the term 'tiericide' , my understanding of the term is that ALL tiers are removed leaving ONLY 1 level of suit to choose, as to what level i cannot say, but there will be NO STANDARD, ADVANCED or PROTO, it will be 1 level with only the modules seperating suits, and you believe this will help newer players, on no my friend it will not, it will more than likely be worse, cause the vets will always be in the same suit level as new players, but with way more hp and firepower, whereas of right now a new player can get a proto suit with minimal skills (fw/aurum) fight a 100mill sp vet, but with the vet in a adv or basic bpo say, and win easily, put everyone in the same suit, and, wellit'll be feeding time at the zoo for the vets and the newer players will be dinner. I have said this before: The only way you can make the game better for new players is to have a 'starter fit only' battle mode where our suit upgrades DONOT COUNT, this would be great for new players and those wanting to grind isk, and allow progression to the other modes when and IF they want, to do this i would merge skirm with fw, keep ambush and dom the same, and make acqusistion the starter fit mode, yes it really is that simple, and it would allow new players to build isk, sp, and battle experience, without getting 'proto stomped', This really is the only way tohelp newer players and this game, because in the 'starter fit mode', the only difference between the players would be themselves, also there would have to be no vehicles in this mode, DONE (much better than 'tiericide') Not sure if I missed this in that wall of text, but I believe tiericide means that there WILL still be Basic, Advanced, and Proto. However, the tiers will instead be based on CPU/PG via cores, each tier keeping the same amount that they currently have. I personally have never really supported it, but right now I see the pros outweighing the cons. I was following you until you said something about a newb proto beating a vet adv/basic. Not true at all, any vet will mop the floor with a newbie, it'll just cost the newbie more to "stand a chance" as you say. I can, and have, gone with my Quafe fit against proto users and have killed them. As for the "starter fit only" mode, have you maybe considered that skills play a part in the large gap between players? If i fight against Newbie Prime, both of us running Ion Pistols only in our militia Gallente fits, I'll still have an advantage because I can charge 25% faster, reload 15% faster, hit his shields 15% more, have a whole clip and 1/4 more shots in it than him, and not to mention have 15% less dispersion, making me hit him MUCH easier than he can hit me. It STILL won't come down to "skill only". Wanna remove the bonuses? Congrats, you just removed the feeling of progression for skilling into something. Your "solution" isn't very sound in that case. NOT DONE. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
Indianna Pwns TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 141	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:50:00 - [16] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: well either you or i have seriously misunderstood the term 'tiericide' , my understanding of the term is that ALL tiers are removed leaving ONLY 1 level of suit to choose, as to what level i cannot say, but there will be NO STANDARD, ADVANCED or PROTO, it will be 1 level with only the modules seperating suits, and you believe this will help newer players, on no my friend it will not, it will more than likely be worse, cause the vets will always be in the same suit level as new players, but with way more hp and firepower, whereas of right now a new player can get a proto suit with minimal skills (fw/aurum) fight a 100mill sp vet, but with the vet in a adv or basic bpo say, and win easily, put everyone in the same suit, and, wellit'll be feeding time at the zoo for the vets and the newer players will be dinner. I have said this before: The only way you can make the game better for new players is to have a 'starter fit only' battle mode where our suit upgrades DONOT COUNT, this would be great for new players and those wanting to grind isk, and allow progression to the other modes when and IF they want, to do this i would merge skirm with fw, keep ambush and dom the same, and make acqusistion the starter fit mode, yes it really is that simple, and it would allow new players to build isk, sp, and battle experience, without getting 'proto stomped', This really is the only way tohelp newer players and this game, because in the 'starter fit mode', the only difference between the players would be themselves, also there would have to be no vehicles in this mode, DONE (much better than 'tiericide') From what I understand you are right and wrong. There WILL be just one suit per race and role and all suits will have a proto slot layout, however there will be an insertable power core that will come in STD, ADV and PRO forms that will increase your PG/CPU accordingly. Say for example you want to save a bit of ISK you take your chosen dropsuit (gal assualt for example) and insert a STD power core. You then fill your slots with modules within the PG/CPU limit the STD powercore will allow. If however you decide that your current setup could do with a bit more 'oomph' you can swap out the STD powercore for an ADV one (for an added ISK cost of course). You can then equip better weapons and modules with the additional PG/CPU that the ADV powercore has given your dropsuit. I hope this makes sense, I'm kind of tired.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 241	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:52:00 - [17] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that?, it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits?, everyone running about in a bpo or proto would just ruin the battlefield entirely, i might as well play battlefield, i can see some pro points to it in an fps, but simply why tiered suits is what seperates dust from other fps, do this and you'll stand a good chance of killing your game Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the idea that a power core that goes to the suit be militia to proto thus giving your suit the capabilities as such? If someone rocks a suit with a proto power core against an opponent with a militia grade one its the same thing.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:54:00 - [18] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that? it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits? The lower tiered suits would have less CPU/PG. There is still progression, there would be more fitting variety for STD and ADV dropsuits. That's a good thing considering that prior to tiericide your options for a STD dropsuit were: eHP or die instantly. Advanced was slightly better than that. You might fit one extra module that wasn't for tanking. THERE WILL BE NO 'LOWER TIERED SUITS', THEY WILL ALL BE THE SAME WITH ONLY THE MODULES SEPERATING THEM. read the dev's posts, 'tiericide' means to get rid of all levels of suits, no proto, no adv, no standard ALL THE SAME they're replacing the tiered suits with tiered power cores that go into the suits and determine your fitting capacity. You need to either learn to read, or become a better troll. You're proving to be bad at one, try the other next time. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:56:00 - [19] - Quote Commander Noctus wrote: deo volente2 wrote: Magnus Belmont wrote: They'll do what ever they want and those of us who have played for so long will keep playing no matter what they do to the game. Since it's free to play, all your complaints are rendered pointless on the large scale beyond just griping to yourself. Also, basic to proto you will still have the huge gap in CPU and PG, making it so you can't fit your basic like you can your proto still. This will allow newer guys to have a chance to compete against others when they play, how about you make a new character and run up against someone with 50+mil sp? Or 80mil+... Heck, we'll go as low as 20 mil. Point is, it's like using a whack-a-mole bat to take down a brick wall. well either you or i have seriously misunderstood the term 'tiericide' , my understanding of the term is that ALL tiers are removed leaving ONLY 1 level of suit to choose, as to what level i cannot say, but there will be NO STANDARD, ADVANCED or PROTO, it will be 1 level with only the modules seperating suits, and you believe this will help newer players, on no my friend it will not, it will more than likely be worse, cause the vets will always be in the same suit level as new players, but with way more hp and firepower, whereas of right now a new player can get a proto suit with minimal skills (fw/aurum) fight a 100mill sp vet, but with the vet in a adv or basic bpo say, and win easily, put everyone in the same suit, and, wellit'll be feeding time at the zoo for the vets and the newer players will be dinner. I have said this before: The only way you can make the game better for new players is to have a 'starter fit only' battle mode where our suit upgrades DONOT COUNT, this would be great for new players and those wanting to grind isk, and allow progression to the other modes when and IF they want, to do this i would merge skirm with fw, keep ambush and dom the same, and make acqusistion the starter fit mode, yes it really is that simple, and it would allow new players to build isk, sp, and battle experience, without getting 'proto stomped', This really is the only way tohelp newer players and this game, because in the 'starter fit mode', the only difference between the players would be themselves, also there would have to be no vehicles in this mode, DONE (much better than 'tiericide') Not sure if I missed this in that wall of text, but I believe tiericide means that there WILL still be Basic, Advanced, and Proto. However, the tiers will instead be based on CPU/PG, each tier keeping the same amount that they currently have. I personally have never really supported it, but right now I see the pros outweighing the cons. I was following you until you said something about a newb proto beating a vet adv/basic. Not true at all, any vet will mop the floor with a newbie, it'll just cost the newbie more to "stand a chance" as you say. I can, and have, gone with my Quafe fit against proto users and have killed them. As for the "starter fit only" mode, have you maybe considered that skills play a part in the large gap between players? If i fight against Newbie Prime, both of us running Ion Pistols only in our militia Gallente fits, I'll still have an advantage because I can charge 25% faster, reload 15% faster, hit his shields 15% more, have a whole clip and 1/4 more shots in it than him, and not to mention have 15% less dispersion, making me hit him MUCH easier than he can hit me. It STILL won't come down to "skill only". Wanna remove the bonuses? Congrats, you just removed the feeling of progression for skilling into something. Your "solution" isn't very sound in that case. NOT DONE. in 'starter fit mode', NO SKILLS from your character would be applied, we would all be the same except for what suit you choose (starter fits of course) too busy playing
Indianna Pwns TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 141	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:56:00 - [20] - Quote deo volente2 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that? it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits? The lower tiered suits would have less CPU/PG. There is still progression, there would be more fitting variety for STD and ADV dropsuits. That's a good thing considering that prior to tiericide your options for a STD dropsuit were: eHP or die instantly. Advanced was slightly better than that. You might fit one extra module that wasn't for tanking. THERE WILL BE NO 'LOWER TIERED SUITS', THEY WILL ALL BE THE SAME WITH ONLY THE MODULES SEPERATING THEM. read the dev's posts, 'tiericide' means to get rid of all levels of suits, no proto, no adv, no standard ALL THE SAME Yes the STD, ADV, PRO will be gone. There will however be a STD/ADV/PRO powercore instead. Read my earlier post.

deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 8	Posted - 2015.06.16 19:21:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: deo volente2 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: deo volente2 wrote: why on earth would you do that? it removes any and all point of progression through lower suits? The lower tiered suits would have less CPU/PG. There is still progression, there would be more fitting variety for STD and ADV dropsuits. That's a good thing considering that prior to tiericide your options for a STD dropsuit were: eHP or die instantly. Advanced was slightly better than that. You might fit one extra module that wasn't for tanking. THERE WILL BE NO 'LOWER TIERED SUITS', THEY WILL ALL BE THE SAME WITH ONLY THE MODULES SEPERATING THEM. read the dev's posts, 'tiericide' means to get rid of all levels of suits, no proto, no adv, no standard ALL THE SAME they're replacing the tiered suits with tiered power cores that go into the suits and determine your fitting capacity. You need to either learn to read, or become a better troll. You're proving to be bad at one, try the other next time. yeah well in general discussions in the announcement section by the devs in the most recent post by them is the word 'tiericide', no mention of 'power cores' as i am usually playing the game and not digging through all the posts clearly i misinterpreted (only slightly) the changes that are forthcoming, and CLEARLY so have many others, and as usual the dev post was vague as to it's meaning also, like saying 'tiericide', but not mentioning 'power cores', so it's not really 'tiericide' but quite simply changes, as there will still be various tiers according to said power core, so to be pedantic the term 'tiericide' is wholly inaccurate and should be referred to as 'suit modifications' or something as the word 'pesticide' basically means the death of pests, this 'tiericide' is nothing of the like so it's really misleading in what is already probably the most complicated fps around so clear concise descriptions are required and not misleading terminology too busy playing
Void Echo Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 19:31:00 - [22] - Quote There doing this to get rid of over 120 unique dropsuits to free up memory space Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Order. For the Federation, For Freedom, *Till all are Free*.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:03:00 - [23] - Quote rattati is flattening slots ahead of the cores update so that transitioning to the powercore model will be easier. Having tiered but slot-equal suits is a temporary situation to help make his (and his team's) lives easier when making the big swap. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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