You mean kinda like in BF4 where if I deal 80-85 % or more of the initial damage, should that enemy get killed the kill is awarded to the top damage dealer?

Yes but an arguably improved version where 80-85% is not the minimum for the kill to be rewarded based on damage, rather there is no minimum, highest damage dealer is rewarded the kill every time.

I love you and your idea..I hate it when I get someone to 20 armor and some loser shoot him once and gets the kill..it makes me want to team kill that player

This was discussed a LONG time ago

It seems like a wonderful solution, but HP is not one simple bar of health that is depleted in the blink of an eye like CoD or Battlefield.

Usually in these games, as soon as the enemy heals back up you no longer get awarded an assist. This makes it super simple to calculate how much damage each player has dealt to the enemy as the HP calculation resets back to 100% in half a second

But how is the game supposed to know when to reset that when shields can come back multiple times in a firefight, armor is slowly repping, and being at "100%" is very rare in a game like Dust.

That means you would have to constantly keep track of damage from all sources for long peroids of time...

It's just not as simple when players don't die before they have time to react (the main reason I hate those other shooters)

I think most people don't like kill stealing

However wouldn't complex solutions cause lag?,

Maybe the following system is easy
"highest damage dealt gets the kill"
since the computer is keeping track of Total damage dealt anyway (because it comes up on the murder victims screen)


Getting the computer to keep track of the % each player damages to shields
The each player %damages armor ,
the amount healed
sounds like to much work for the poor overtaxed ps3

Why? If A has a firefight a loses, B comes and finishes him. Why shouldn't B have the kill? The current mechanic is fine

Why? If A has a firefight a loses, B comes and finishes him. Why shouldn't B have the kill? The current mechanic is fine

If you do this, someone with a weapon with really high damage per shot will steal your kill without you having the points (even if you destroyed 90% of your enemy's health). Snipers, FG, SCR charged shot in HS if the target is weak, grenade, PLC,.. will finish your target dealing more damage than you did to it to reach 90% of their total health.

Don't know if you get what I'm trying to explain, but a % should be recorded when you shoot someone.

OR they can give the kill to both the finisher and the damage dealer. They'll have to record the % anyway^^.

no way. thats a stupid COD kid idea. its anti teamwork, one of the few things dust does well. boo hoo you got a few less war points cause someone on your team was actually helping kill bad guys. terrible idea terrible thread. go ahead and have this thread deleted. you're welcome

Uh-oh someone didn't read the thread and posted based on the title.

If you actually try to refute my points with facts an not senseless BS and COD analogies people might think more of you.

I don't think I'm the only person to wonder about this. Sure kill stealing is a wonderful tear jerking sport as old as time.

However lately, it seems most people are so desensitized to it that they mostly just accept it when it happens to them yet still feel just enough disappointment to fall into a slightly worse mood.

The day when stealing a kill yields no harvest-able tears is the perfect time to swap to a smarter, more unique mechanic.

Not only is the kill stealing tear drought here, but from the standpoint of balance shield weapon users are more likely to get their kill stolen from them than armor weapon users. (please use your pretty brain and don't make me explain that one)

So here's my idea for how the new kill reward mechanic will work:

Each kill is worth 75-90 war points. 50wp for the kill, 25-45wp (depending on how many people help, more people the more wp) for the kill assist.

Damage dealt will be counted as follows: All damage dealt beyond 15 seconds of the targets death does not count (like the current kill assist system). Shield damage and armor damage will be considered separate but counted together. Any shield damage or armor damage that is dealt then subsequently fully recovered from will have only 1/3 value, to encourage players to finish off their targets rather than let a blueberry do it and run the risk of them running off and healing up. This means that if someone reaches full armor, all armor damage before that point is devalued to 1/3, but not shield damage until the target's shields fully recover, and vice versa.

Kills are awarded to the highest damage dealer only if the highest damage dealer achieves at least 51% of dealt damage or greater, encouraging players to deal as much damage as possible to their enemies, rather than last hit with an armor weapon. The person who gets the kill gets the full base 50wp + defense bonus if applicable and squad order modifier if applicable.

The kill assist is divided up among everyone who assisted via dealing damage to the killed target, based on how much damage they dealt compared to the other assistants. So a = assistant 1's damage dealt, b = total damage dealt to the killed target, c = the damage dealt by the one awarded the kill, and x = assistant 1's kill assist wp reward. The Assist wp reward equation will look like this (x will be rounded up):

x = [a / (b-c)]25 + 1

So heres an example: you and 15 blueberries shoot at 1 redberry with 3350hp. You deal 350 damage, and are rewarded the +50wp and the kill for dealing the killing blow. Everyone else deals 200 damage exactly. How much wp is each kill assistant awarded (aka find the value of x)? (they all get the same because they dealt the same damage) So a = 200, b = 3350, and c = 350.


x = [200 / (3350 - 350)]25 +1 = (200 / 3000)25 + 1 = (0.066666666666667)25 +1 = 2.666666666666667

So x (rounded up) = 3wp + objective defense bonus if applicable, multiplied by squad order bonus if applicable .

Like it? No? Feel free to leave some tears about how long and hard to understand this post is :)

PS: Think of it this way, instead of no one QQing about their kill getting stolen, the guy that is trying to deal as much damage as possible to several targets instead of finishing them off gets killed and none of his targets go down, he cries buckets.

COD does not do this..BF does but it's like 80% of the health or something and I don't remember correctly but I thought in the new BF both people got the kill? Kills may not matter to some but what if you get a 200k ISK suit to 5 armor and someone shoots him once and gets that kill? Oh that's right all you get is the assist none of that ISK goes into your pool even though you did all the work

The only CoD game I played (WaW) had this IIRC...
Something I rather liked about that game since I had such terribad aim and would always get an enemy down to barely any health before dying...then someone would take the easy kill. I'd get 80 points, they'd get 20

There have been many times where I have been killed just after I got a red's health down to practically nothing, then died, just to have a blue finish the job.

Likewise, I have finished off a red just after he killed the blue that did most of the damage.

In either instance, in this suggestion, I would have gotten a kill even though the enemy would never have actually died had it not been for teamwork.

I could care less for the KDR and the stat it gives me, BUT I do think that the WP is important.

I think that the person getting the kill should still get the +50, but I also think that the assist should be a percentage base, so if you do 90% of the work, you would get 45 WP instead of 25 WP, and are rewarded for your effort.

I love you and your idea..I hate it when I get someone to 20 armor and some loser shoot him once and gets the kill..it makes me want to team kill that player