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jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.08 07:46:00 -
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I find it quite odd that many people say that you must squad up so you can murder derps playing by themselves, It is game after all and I do what is enjoyable, I love ganging up on the enemies in PVE but it just does not appeal in PvP. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2015.06.08 08:02:00 -
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1. So squad or not? 2. Team fight or not? (even in squad)
Not much time left...
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jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.08 08:11:00 -
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Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) |
S3dINS Destiva
Casket Stuffers
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Posted - 2015.06.08 09:20:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:I find it quite odd that many people say that you must squad up so you can murder derps playing by themselves, It is game after all and I do what is enjoyable, I love ganging up on the enemies in PVE but it just does not appeal in PvP. Yup
jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) Yup again.
I run lone wolf 99% of the time and I enjoy it. I can choose exactly how I want to play. I don't feel ganged up on. I just get on with what I think I need to do for the greater good of the team.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:26:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads.
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jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:58:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads.
I play solo because I don't want to gang up on loners , I don't think any loners actually feel bad about being ganged up on, they would either squad up or quit the game.
, Don't kid yourself about it being a team based game, If a squad finds a good spot to murder loners it will totally ignore the objective.
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Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:21:00 -
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Squads are all about rapage. If you observe their behavior, most (especially the proto stompers) work like amoebas. They rove the land and as soon as one of them spots a victim, you can tell that they call in support from their buddies, because the entire squad comes to their aid and surrounds the isolated enemy.
In this way it's all about the numbers. The angle of attack doesn't even matter much at that point.
But isn't that how it should be? The counter balance to a squad is an opposing squad. If a team has one or more squads, and the opposing team has zero squads, then the opposing team will spend the match being eaten alive, one by one.
As a lone player, it is best to avoid enemy squads. If you get caught by a squad, you are most likely going to die, so at least take one of the buggers out with you and bleed him out if you can.
Squads and lonewolves play two separate games. It's too bad that there has never been a no-squad battle mode. I would have played that exclusively as I prefer the challenge of 1 vs 1, or 1 vs a group of non-communicating enemies. |
VikingKong iBUN
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:35:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads. This.
I would like a Gallente SMG.
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jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:00:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads. This.
I agree with the very last point , however it is not my point.
Also I really don't get when people say it is a team game, Football is team game and people actually go after the ball and not gang up on the people that are easy to gang up on. |
jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:04:00 -
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Clone D wrote: Squads and lonewolves play two separate games. It's too bad that there has never been a no-squad battle mode. I would have played that exclusively as I prefer the challenge of 1 vs 1, or 1 vs a group of non-communicating enemies.
I would like a no squad mode say one day a week , militia only in special contracts.
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IVIaster LUKE
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:09:00 -
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Besides PC, I would like Corps battles back so we could at least have a full 16v16 in a game.
Just bypass 'Scotty's' punk @ss altogether. o7
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:36:00 -
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Well. Let's put that in this way.
Squads in skirmish : cool. That's what they're for.
Squads in other game modes : camping, nothing else. 4 guys on double reps, spamming cores, using fits without regen to gain more hp and speed.
Ps. As to why loners can be annoyed. Alone, you cannot really do much because enemy is under constant reps, always begs for help from their buddies. You can always use a tank of course. No matter how many AVs they'll pull, maddy should survive just fine.
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Guildo Crow
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:42:00 -
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If you want Dust to be a team based game, players should be forced into a squad, and not be able to play solo.
Since Dust does not force you to play as a team, the option to play solo should be an enjoyable experience.
After all, this is still just a video game.
I say, have a non-squad game mode, or if you really want to try something different; A free-for-all mode. |
Akamandon
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:56:00 -
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I run solo 100% of the time mostly because I enjoy the challenge, but running with a squad is the way the game is meant to be played. It is a team game but seeing any teamwork when not in a squad is actually kind of rare, when it does happen it is a beautiful thing. I've seen my team with no squads on it but full of vets got up against 2 full squads and some randoms and we cloned them in 10-15 mins. At this point in this game mostly everyone should be somewhat proficient on the battlefield, like if you see a lack of uplinks you bring some, if you see a tank dominating the map bring some av even if it's just grenades, and so on. We could all benefit from a little more teamwork, it makes the matches better and keeps me from rupturing a blood vessel from the rage I have towards my blue dots when your being ******* dumb. |
Scheneighnay McBob
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:02:00 -
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Lynn Beck
Delta Vanguard 6
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:52:00 -
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When i'm in a squad that is usually the last thing we do, is call on each other to gang up on one guy.
We just actually communicate and stay moderately near each other to begin with, so we all "take A together"
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:02:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads. I play solo because I don't want to gang up on loners , I don't think any loners actually feel bad about being ganged up on, they would either squad up or quit the game. , Don't kid yourself about it being a team based game, If a squad finds a good spot to murder loners it will totally ignore the objective.
The problem there is the loners. If they weren't loners they would be able to coordinate to take the objective while the enemy team was off chasing kills.
This is actually something that plagues many PC teams. Players are used to pubs where they can run off chasing kills. Against good PC teams people are trying to get you to chase, when you do someone comes in to take the point behind you.
It's not much better in pubs to squad up. The plethora of loners in matches usually just means that the side with a squads gets the loners that suck. So you run in as a squad and find yourself camped from every roof (despite having at least 5 snipers on your team), vehicles, and whatever else.
I find squad play in pubs more frustrating than solo play. But that's mostly because I will leave a battle more quickly if solo. If my squad is trying to do stuff then I'll stay. If people in my squad are only factoring into the ineffectiveness of the blueberries then I'll just leave squad and bounce.
I don't get to play much, I'll try to find a match with a majority of people who realized they logged into a FPS game. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:03:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads. Great idea!
Dust's player base isn't small enough, lets marginalize a significant if not majority of the players!
That is how you grow a game right?
I mean, it would be too hard to try and acknowledge both play styles as legitimate and needing to make room for both.
Let's just oversimplify the game to one perspective. Sounds like a recipe for success!
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:04:00 -
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Akamandon wrote:I run solo 100% of the time mostly because I enjoy the challenge, but running with a squad is the way the game is meant to be played. It is a team game but seeing any teamwork when not in a squad is actually kind of rare, when it does happen it is a beautiful thing. I've seen my team with no squads on it but full of vets got up against 2 full squads and some randoms and we cloned them in 10-15 mins. At this point in this game mostly everyone should be somewhat proficient on the battlefield, like if you see a lack of uplinks you bring some, if you see a tank dominating the map bring some av even if it's just grenades, and so on. We could all benefit from a little more teamwork, it makes the matches better and keeps me from rupturing a blood vessel from the rage I have towards my blue dots when your being ******* dumb.
If a squad is willing, they can really put up a fight and donate a bunch of clones to the cause. Sometimes the blues see this and actually spawn on the uplinks and contribute. It's rare, but it happens. |
thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:12:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads. Great idea! Dust's player base isn't small enough, lets marginalize a significant if not majority of the players! That is how you grow a game right? I mean, it would be too hard to try and acknowledge both play styles as legitimate and needing to make room for both. Let's just oversimplify the game to one perspective because we are lazy, lack the creativity, or are just plain too full of ourselves to care. Sounds like a recipe for success!
Solo play has won out. It's been this way for a long time. This combined with the fear of asset loss and the lack of incentives to win has created a very boring and frustrating environment.
The "sandbox" play is so prevalent in Dust that there isn't room for team oriented play in pub matches. You either immediately scare off the enemy team with a show of organized force or your teammates are immediately scared off.
The players that have taken the tools provided by the Dust development team to multiply their effectiveness are leaving in droves. Solo players have nothing to fear, pretty soon that's all that'll be left. |
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:37:00 -
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Currently on my phone and can't type out all my thoughts on how wrong some of you are. Will try to type it all out when I get home.
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jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.09 09:39:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Currently on my phone and can't type out all my thoughts on how wrong some of you are. Will try to type it all out when I get home.
How can people be very wrong? There is no description of what people should do there is only a description of what a large section of the community actually does. People might be exaggerating and overstating but what specifically is flat out wrong? |
Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.06.09 10:25:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:jane stalin wrote:Squads would be great if there won't loners that hate being ganged up on but the that is not the case so I aint squadding up. (this is not true for PC but I am not good enough for PC) so people want to play solo in a team based game, they also don't want to be ganged up by people in said team based game. I think these loners should go play another game if they are so heavily offended by people playing in squads. I play solo because I don't want to gang up on loners , I don't think any loners actually feel bad about being ganged up on, they would either squad up or quit the game. , Don't kid yourself about it being a team based game, If a squad finds a good spot to murder loners it will totally ignore the objective.
And win by clones. Get over yourself in your self righteous honor based means of downgrading the fights. You want 1v1? Go play street fighter. Any and all "play how you want" logic must be prepped to take it in Uranus by organized team play and accept any and all consequences. This is exactly why Barry Sanders never won a championship.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.09 10:41:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:I find it quite odd that many people say that you must squad up so you can murder derps playing by themselves, It is game after all and I do what is enjoyable, I love ganging up on the enemies in PVE but it just does not appeal in PvP.
PC and FW I can understand finding squads since one is a highly competitive mode and the other is semi competitive. That being said I take FW more seriously than any other game mode. Not my problem if no one else does.
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jane stalin
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Posted - 2015.06.09 10:47:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:[quote=jane stalin]
And win by clones. Get over yourself in your self righteous honor based means of downgrading the fights. You want 1v1? Go play street fighter. Any and all "play how you want" logic must be prepped to take it in Uranus by organized team play and accept any and all consequences. This is exactly why Barry Sanders never won a championship.
how do people define "organized team play", To me "organized team play" means american football . it would be great if dust was like that but it's not, It is common for me to not even see the enemy when I am near the objective even though the enemy is getting more kills (Not enough to win by cloning)
I don't know why you are talking about honor, My actions have got nothing to do with what I think is honorable,
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