I would say this is completely abusable. Ok Tim, its your turn to go die and get picked up, Bob fire away, here I come to pick you up Tim, my turn next, Bob you have your backup ready to pick you up?

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you can build in a timer, as Kallas said, or make a finite number of revives, say 3, so the maximum revives 3 or 30 WP. At any time the other team could just shot the body a few more times or grenade the body.

Maybe cut the points earned reviving them in half each time, so 60, 30, 15, dead, Proto would be 90, 45, 22, dead; Militia and basic Injectors only get 2 passes, 30, 15, dead. This reduces the incentive to rush into fire and save that clone though.


The abuse can happen, but requires some help from the other team.


Maybe try it in Ambushes or just 50 person Ambushes and see if folks do abuse it. The main point is the total number of clones matters. In 50 person matches even more so. Give some WP for saving that clone.

Thanks for reading this.

I would say this is completely abusable. Ok Tim, its your turn to go die and get picked up, Bob fire away, here I come to pick you up Tim, my turn next, Bob you have your backup ready to pick you up?

What you're describing can happen right now.

So you're essentially saying

-- we should get rid of reviving completely, because somebody could abuse it somewhere, and here is a way to do it.

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I am not pro-cheating.

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There are players out there, trying to maximize their kill total, their WP, their Assists, etc. But there are people all over the place not trying to win the match.

This game is like a team sport. Individuals can excel and do great, but you're team can still lose. Is the team more important or the individual?


Thanks for reading this

I would say this is completely abusable. Ok Tim, its your turn to go die and get picked up, Bob fire away, here I come to pick you up Tim, my turn next, Bob you have your backup ready to pick you up?

I would say this is completely abusable. Ok Tim, its your turn to go die and get picked up, Bob fire away, here I come to pick you up Tim, my turn next, Bob you have your backup ready to pick you up?

What you're describing can happen right now.

So you're essentially saying

-- we should get rid of reviving completely, because somebody could abuse it somewhere, and here is a way to do it.

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I am not pro-cheating.

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There are players out there, trying to maximize their kill total, their WP, their Assists, etc. But there are people all over the place not trying to win the match.

This game is like a team sport. Individuals can excel and do great, but you're team can still lose. Is the team more important or the individual?


Thanks for reading this

I do not see this as being true.

Running out into fire to die and then having a logi to go out into fire makes it pretty protected.

For FW the damage dealt would cause the players to be kicked.

For PC matches this is the least of the ways to farm a no show.


I can totally agree with this idea because some people just do not even consider the call for help button these days. I have watched my team burn through an amazing amount of clones even with several needle users running around randomly picking up anyone that called for help.

Well there are also a lot of people running around in BPO suits or having too much bloody money and they don't care, just want wp and KDR, which is in line with the value of winning a match in PUBS, you want to play in PC if you want to have people evaluating the value of spamming for a needle, FW serves no defining reason at all to be in the game other than another mode, it doesn't affect sov in Lowsec, it doesn't even affect anything other than corporate and personal coffers winning in PC so harden up, play better and get in with those guys doing PC if you want players who care, this is really a no-brainer. You want to win matches because it affect something, your WL ratio right? Or is it the missions? I don't understand how giving people 10 wp for spamming a button when they get shot will improve their in game performance or help you win a match? People need a reason to care about a win or a loss, team deploy would be a reason, because we are better than you...but that we don't have.

Obviously people need incentive to win but it has been well proven that you have to give newbies and randoms some extra incentive to take actions that affect the match but they do not even realize the out come of their actions.

Just look at how objective defense points changed what blue berries do until matchmaking got all jacked up.

I do not care about winning for ISK or W/L as I have plenty of the first and the second is a joke of a stat in this game. What I do care about is being able to have fun in a match and other people being able to have fun in a match so that just maybe we can stop the slow painful death that Dust is suffering.

That's the best answer I can give to what I took away from

What we need to do is have deaths not count if you are revived.

There we go great idea! That rewards the team and the individual, both in saving a clone and benefiting a person's kdr while giving 60 wp for the medic risking their clone

That is a really awesome and well thought out solution

Wait do you mean kills and deaths or just deaths? So players getting revived are not dead and the other player still gets rewarded for killing them --- this sounds fair.

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You're just reacting.

You're not sure what he means, but it's "great", "well thought out" and "awesome."

I would say this is completely abusable. Ok Tim, its your turn to go die and get picked up, Bob fire away, here I come to pick you up Tim, my turn next, Bob you have your backup ready to pick you up?

Interesting...I like it...but I'd also want to provide an incentive to an enemy team to terminate the clones...so maybe +5-10 for terminating a hostile clone as well as a +10 for saving your clone (By asking to be picked up)

...I'd also want to provide an incentive to an enemy team to terminate the clones...so maybe +5-10 for terminating a hostile clone as well as a +10 for saving your clone (By asking to be picked up)

There we go great idea! That rewards the team and the individual, both in saving a clone and benefiting a person's kdr while giving 60 wp for the medic risking their clone

That is a really awesome and well thought out solution

Wait do you mean kills and deaths or just deaths? So players getting revived are not dead and the other player still gets rewarded for killing them --- this sounds fair.