I don't bother with damage modifiers and you need shield regulators or your one quarter eHP, armor, will be all you're left with. You guys really need to start thinking about what you say before you say it

So your saying that shield's should remain lower in HP value to armor? I can fit recharges and shield extenders and regulator's just fine, and I didn't say AR, I said BREACH AR. The shield suits you speak of: Min assaults don't rely on shield's they rely on armor plates, cal scout has horrible/problematic hit boxes, not an excuse for no shield buff's unless you plan to give caldari broken hit boxes that nobody can hit. Caldari commando is absolute trash, it's most viable simply sniping and defending one's self when someone decides to take out a DS to hunt your ass, if their not in an ADS of course. and Min scout, again, doesn't rely on shield's, they use myrofibs and once more, like all other scout's, have horrible/problematic hit boxes, and once more, not an excuse for no buffing or no rebalancing's, (also the tac ar does pretty well against armor as well my friend's have beaten high HP armor fit's with them). So, what's your next move? Otherwise i'll call checkmate on this (no joke, no troll).

That's your fit that still relies on armor, try not using any armor mods on that min assault, minmatar scouts rely on that speed alone and again have broken hit boxes, agreed commando's are trashed and need to be taken back into dev hell and spat out as something new, cal scout's aren't ment to be assault's, SCR's are broken. Bolt pistols, lack luster, too slow, needs rebalancing. So anything else you want to bring to the table?

Also, we're talking about how shield's are unbelievably weaker than armor, in that I mean how easy they are to kill, especially since this game is so CQC oriented.

That's your fit that still relies on armor, try not using any armor mods on that min assault, minmatar scouts rely on that speed alone and again have broken hit boxes, agreed commando's are trashed and need to be taken back into dev hell and spat out as something new, cal scout's aren't ment to be assault's, SCR's are broken. Bolt pistols, lack luster, too slow, needs rebalancing. So anything else you want to bring to the table?

Also, we're talking about how shield's are unbelievably weaker than armor, in that I mean how easy they are to kill, especially since this game is so CQC oriented.

make shields half of what armor is and everything will be fine

lore wise its supposed to be this way anyway

I'll admit, it gets a bit easier when you get into proto. However, I don't think that it should level off so quickly when you get into proto. Again, all we have to work with is our shields. Basically what Pegasis said, thanks bro, we need a buff to eHP and some resistance to damage, while our shields are rebuilding

Recharges to me would be perfectly fine regardless, so long as I can get to amarr level shield's (as they would in armor). Energizers do take a hefty amount of shields even though its like 6%, so we could do 3%, but we definitely wouldnt reach amarr level with one and go down to gallente level of armor in terms of shields, so I guess there would need to be a buff to shield related modules if thats the case. maybe make it so that basic is 40%+ and go up from 10% there on? and Make energizers give massive amounts of shields? (I'm just throwing **** nit's in at this point but I wanna hear everyone opinion on what they should be, IN YOUR OPINION).

That shield deduction is still pretty incredible, maybe make it 2% 3% and 4%?

It does actually, that's how mod's work in this game, that being said, 6% on shield extended HP is much different than base shield, try fitting proto energizers 1 on 4 shield extenders and 2 with 3 shield extenders, take them off, then re-apply them, you'll then notice it's not based off of base shield without extenders but it's based off of shield's at ANY amount.

Try using a basic or advanced cal, and place 2 energizers, (that 6% is BRUTAL).

Where are you coming up with these numbers? Proto shield energizer a give 65% at -6%. Away from home right now, but was just looking at that. So I know that's the stats, can't at the moment give you the rest of the stats

Alright fags, vet shield tanker here. our shields are fine. our regen is fine, our depleted regen is fine. none of that needs a buff. What does need to be addressed though are some mods used for shields, and some weapons.


1: shield regulators need a buff. A major buff. Or instead of a direct buff to regulators, add in a bonus skill to regulators by upgrading cal assault suits, and scout suits. That alone would help out immensely

2: the combat rifle needs to be a tad adjusted. it is currently better hybrid weapon then the hybrid weapons. making it slightly weaker against shields will help reduce the amount of counter shield tanker face. maybe have be brought down to 85%

3: make any projectile that deals less than 20% of its original damage to our shields not affect our recharge, or having a similar system to our vehicles.

aside from that, you're all just horrible shield tankers who simple don't not know who to ******* run the suit. Each sit has its ply style. Shield tankers are hit and run/ long range fighters. you are not going to last long in CQC, or in prolonged fire fights. your suit is not built that way.

Good day.

Yet they still instantly kill shields

Played a game where I had 30hp/sec of armor regen with 0 recharge delays. That was fun too

Eve: hp Armarr>Caldari>Gallente>minmatar
Speed:Minmatar>Gallente>Caldari>Amarr

Always wondered why dust never followed it.

Also in eve shield has constant regen but armour has bursts. Never understood why they completely changed what was in eve in dust. Like Armarr being dual tankers

S-Seriously?! Armor was/is like Shield in Eve?!

But armor still had more HP than shield's?

Personally, I just specced myself 100% into Caldari Assault, Rail Rifle, and shield tanking.

Using a ck.0 Assault with 3x Complex Extenders, 2x Complex Energizers, and 2x Complex Regulators, I've been having no trouble at all with survivability.

To clarify, that's 522 shield HP with a recharge delay of 2 seconds and a depleted delay of 3 seconds.

The recharge rate is almost 90hp/s.

I played an Ambush last night that put both teams on opposite sides of the bridge on the 5-point bridge map, and even though many people on the other team were using Scramblers and Assault Scramblers, I had no trouble engaging them because every time my shields dropped below 50% I'd drop behind cover, reload, and then jump back out with my shields back up.

Shield mechanics right now seem to work perfectly with the Caldari playstyle.