Part of why Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades are so deadly is because in most cases the HAV user who dies to them is stopped in order to aim accurately with his turret. With a separate gunner the driver can keep the HAV moving while the gunner engages targets.

Not at all.

The reason why lai dais are so powerful is because they are homing nuclear baseballs with enough alpha to wipe things out in a three pack.

Now tell me why someone with two types of homing weapons should be not only able to annihilate my ride, but also why I now have to depend on my turret operator to save my ISK. How is that engaging gameplay for me, as the vehicle purchaser?

Sorry, I'm not in favor of any system that makes the large majority of my sp useless to me.

As it is you need to have an incredibly stupid amount of SP into vehicles, particularly fitting optimization skills to mount a fit that's even ****ing remotely okay. I've tried nurturing a community for vehicle users, and between dropship nerfs, sweeping tank changes (that started as far back as 1.7), and how powerful av feels to go up against... the vehicular community is essentially ****ing dead.

Perhaps, allow swarm's to be shot down, more often, by small turret's and give the top small turret more damage VS aerial vehicles and the bottom one more damage versus infantry? Seem's, also give blasters increased range, and give it back it's accuracy, that inverted dispersal isn't balancing the weapon, and it's more in-line with MIN weapon's, like the HMG. Just my 2 isk.

Also because i'm a gunner not a vehicle specialist all the weapon's are made to function horribly and need to be re-thought of, or perhaps add variant's that give the turrets more capability in reduction of damage, so that 1 turret may be best against vehicles and another vs infantry, but small turret variant's would be mixed, they'd have the same damage to vehicles that they do infantry, but the variant's would be more, well, variable, fully auto small rocket shooter, charge variant small turret for major damage to vehicles and infantry, but may be best vs vehicles given their size, but like the CSR would 1 shot (the charge sniper rifle would 1 shot headshot anything with an EHP of 1.2k+) most individuals with an ehp below 600, and a burst ion blaster with blast radius.

Once more i'd like to state I hate vehicle pilot's/driver's, their haughty attitude and self belief that their entitled to always be right when their clearly wrong, irritates me beyond measure, but naturally fairness is what I want to strive for, both for infantry and vehicles, also here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2807246#post2807246 a point about vehicle's vs swarms were made, be sure to read it,

And Echo, if this was COD, vehicles would be easy mode, jump right in and be unstoppable (like back in chromosome), I truly despise your ignorance over this fact, and you would know if you ever played a COD game that vehicles would be an unstoppable force with hardly anyway to actually kill them, this game relates more to BF3-4 in terms of where vehicles are, not too hard, not too easy, which is the way I prefer. And I swear to god echo if you only read 1 part of this I would disown you of even being a tanker and see you as an out right troll.

Gonna give this one bump to see if anyone else has anything to add.

make shield tanks more OP please.

They're OP right now? As far as I've seen they fold instantly up against perma-repping blaster tanks.

I want them more OP for me

As a hardcore pilot and hobby tanker since closed beta I would be cool with separating the gunner and driver into different roles if the vehicles/turrets were made much more powerful. Some of my favorite times in dust was flying Soul around in my myron while he racked up the kills.

I'm not sure that I'd say that, but we have certainly become rather divided as a result of our displeasure with the current Meta.

Disagree, I like soloing in my ADS plus it's my hard work and dedication I shouldn't need another player in my ADS. Soz