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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 00:27:00 -
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In a changing game where you plan your skilling carefully just to get punished by nerfs then double punished by having to use aurum if you have a useless character if you have a newer character or only between 10-20 million SP and got unlucky, there should be a hefty on price isk option, i'd clock it at 50 million isk for an isk respect because players shouldn't be punished by devs because say the bolt pistol gets nerfed next week and 6 months ago somone started playing saw it used and used the next 3 months to skill it out, get a decent suit and have a few mods, his character just got killed by the BP getting nerf batted and CCP is asking 30 bucks or another 6 months, it's obvious the choice, quit dust, that is why we need an isk variant because even i feel it's a pure pay to win with eventual nerf bats or game rebalancing
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 00:32:00 -
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At least state why, because way i see it as long as all items are subject to change devs are just punishing players without and isk skill rsset
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 01:31:00 -
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Chimichanga66605 wrote:But it only takes a few days of grinding to Proto your new OP toy. Need that newly OP suit? Only takes a couple weeks to Proto. The new flavor is not that time consuming to chase. So, to answer your question, NO. You don't need an ISK respec. Proto, yes. Skill it out, no. I said skill it out, not proto, you know, the fitting, reload, ammo and proficiencies you are forgetting
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 08:35:00 -
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Player trading isn't the originally promised market and is insecure for the most part
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 08:41:00 -
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Chimichanga66605 wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Chimichanga66605 wrote:But it only takes a few days of grinding to Proto your new OP toy. Need that newly OP suit? Only takes a couple weeks to Proto. The new flavor is not that time consuming to chase. So, to answer your question, NO. You don't need an ISK respec. Proto, yes. Skill it out, no. I said skill it out, not proto, you know, the fitting, reload, ammo and proficiencies you are forgetting You mean the the stuff you skill to level 5? Add a couple more weeks. Still not much of a grind if you ask me... ...but I've only been here for 2 years so what do I know... edit: The answer is still "NO" You missed the new player part, it's not easy for a new player to just grind out lots of SP, please just read and i've been here over 3 years but what do i know :P
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 08:43:00 -
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Chimichanga66605 wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Player trading isn't the originally promised market and is insecure for the most part Its actually the building blocks to whatever market we were promised. I know, just saying but they have a lot of years old promises to fully fulfill before i cut them slack
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.29 11:11:00 -
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Ok let me be clear, i am a fully skilled minmatar character with all min suits proto and weapons proto and all weapons except the mass drivers skilled out to near LV5 on even fitting, it's just an example of what a new player would deal with and face, i don't use the BP myself
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.30 04:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Chimichanga66605 wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Player trading isn't the originally promised market and is insecure for the most part Its actually the building blocks to whatever market we were promised. I know, just saying but they have a lot of years old promises to fully fulfill before i cut them slack Just to be absolutely clear, the OLD dev team made those promises a long time ago under DIFFERENT leadership. After Fanfest 2014, that team changed along with the leadership. CCP Jian is no longer in charge (he left CCP) and the team has changed to focus on other projects while Dust is left with only a handful of developers. As a result, as you should know this is how businesses worldwide usually operate, priorities have changed as well as the plans. We were promised Project Legion, but what happened to it? [hint: that is a rhetorical question] Now we see that Dust is the one getting the trade feature that only Project Legion was suppose to get in addition to new updates that Dust is receiving to which we were "promised" that only Legion would be getting after Fanfest 2014. Again, priorities change especially now that Rattati is charge of Dust development and so far he has been running his team effectively enough to help Dust recover. Now to your point regarding the market. I understand that the trade feature we have now is not safe for traders because of scammers. But there is something you need to know first before asking for something like Trade Windows, Buy/Sell Order Market Windows, Contracts, etc. Those advanced features for trade are NOT scam proof. Just look at Eve Online. Scammers have figured out how to work the system in Eve. Ever heard of Margin Trade scams that take advantage of the Buy/Sell Order Market? There are also Trade Window scams that can be pulled off even if the buyer or seller both have instant access to the information as all you need is to be savvy enough to pull it off. Contract scams are often designed to take advantage of stupidity. What's my point? Simple. Nothing is scam proof. That has been a proven fact in Eve Online and will be in Dust. As for the ISK-variant of the respec that you are requesting, that is something that can be possible already with the flip of a switch from CCP. It's called "making skillpoint reset services tradable items". Just keep in mind that brokers are always available to you. I'm a corporate broker for Dust University and I provide this service to my corp mates for a nominal fee of 1% of the seller's ISK profits. I already helped a handful of players recently who can vouch for me. Player-operated brokers help you secure the transaction by acting as a middle man for high-value trades. But yeah, add respecs to the trade feature and you got yourself a win-win-win situation. Win for the buyer looking to spend a boatload of ISK for a respec, win for the seller looking to cash in his/her respec for ISK, and a win for CCP because of increased sales. This has worked before and is still working to this day. It's called the PLEX system in Eve Online. But even then, even if you trade it through a seemingly secure contract or through a live trade window with another player or through the seemingly secure buy/sell order market, it's never 100% safe from scammers. You forget PvE, CCP's biggest feature promised and never given at the start of the game in open and closed beta and is a feature that we all know of and is shown in original trailers, so no not even CCP's first promise was kept
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.05.30 05:09:00 -
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Anyway the point still is CCP tells us to plan out and skill carefully and a nerf can make a set of skills we acquired can be rendered useless by a choice by CCP or make something we liked undesirable to us, by them asking we be careful and many of us are i then asked we not be punished by a nerf or adjustments and have an isk means to respec because i carefully plan out my skills but if my combat rifle gets nerfed too hard i'll be screwed till i prof. V another rifle and my suits will all need readjusting, and CCP sometimes just makes drastic changes to items without much notice or if repair tools get nerfed i'll need to build or skill into an entirely new logi and that one is looking quite possible
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