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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 16:30:00 -
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Apex suits, LAV spam infront of a red blaster, jumping with BPO suits into a pit etc. All this is way to easy to exploit the payout system in FW. Heck i even got a match where i earned 750k ISK+LP by just spamming LAV's infront of a red blaster installation.
In my opinion the system should not be a insurance but rather a bounty system for killing mercs that are playing on the opposing faction.
Cause at the moment its like this:
-Insurance:
redline enemy team and spam LAV BPO's and apex suits to earn 40% of your losses (20% on a loss)
How it should be:
-bounty system:
You get 40% of the ISK worth of what you kill (20% on a loss)
This way agressive playstyle is beeing rewarded instead of scrubby BPO LAV spam at the redline/red blaster installation.
It would make exploiting the system harder to do. I know that CCP Ratatti basically copy pasted the Ship insurance system from eve but what he overlooked is the fact that on PVE missions the Pirates have a bounty on them.
In eve you basically kill NPC pirates who have a bounty on them to earn ISK and then accomplish the mission to get the LP as reward. That way it would be more appealing to keep fighting as just go "oh well time to throw LAV's at em". Insurance is a bad idea for PVP while bounty payouts would be more encouraging.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Patt MaCrotch
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.28 16:59:00 -
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Why can't people just play the the game the way it is supposed to be played? Why the need to find every little nook and cranny for some kind of exploit, or cheat, or glitch. Do people really have that hard of a time playing this game that they need to cheat? Is cheating just an inherent quality in this player base?
Not calling you out Bright Cloud, just making a statement in general. |
Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.05.28 17:14:00 -
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Patt MaCrotch wrote:Why can't people just play the the game the way it is supposed to be played? Why the need to find every little nook and cranny for some kind of exploit, or cheat, or glitch. Do people really have that hard of a time playing this game that they need to cheat? Is cheating just an inherent quality in this player base?
Not calling you out Bright Cloud, just making a statement in general.
Because they need cheats, xploids, glitch etc.. to WIN.
#FairPlayDust
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Knightshade Belladonna
Kentucky Fried Clones
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Posted - 2015.05.28 17:26:00 -
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complain of an exploit , that you admittedly even exploited.. got enough of your fill already? |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2015.05.28 17:31:00 -
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Or just remove the ISK value of BPO's?
We want cake and tea.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.28 17:32:00 -
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Patt MaCrotch wrote:Why can't people just play the the game the way it is supposed to be played? Why the need to find every little nook and cranny for some kind of exploit, or cheat, or glitch. Do people really have that hard of a time playing this game that they need to cheat? Is cheating just an inherent quality in this player base?
Not calling you out Bright Cloud, just making a statement in general.
Because isk. It's a PAINFUL grind obtaining it. Nobody wants to spend a majority of their game time grinding away in pubs just to run better stuff.
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hails8n
DEATH BY DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2015.05.28 18:07:00 -
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It should be based on enemy losses,not my own. Some matches I dont die, so no isk 4 me.
Petition to ban the trainyard map.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 18:08:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Or just remove the ISK value of BPO's?
Then your average pub payout would be 100k ISK. Cause the value of the stuff lost in pubs is counted in what is beeing payd at the end of the match.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Patt MaCrotch
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
131
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Posted - 2015.05.28 18:13:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Patt MaCrotch wrote:Why can't people just play the the game the way it is supposed to be played? Why the need to find every little nook and cranny for some kind of exploit, or cheat, or glitch. Do people really have that hard of a time playing this game that they need to cheat? Is cheating just an inherent quality in this player base?
Not calling you out Bright Cloud, just making a statement in general. Because isk. It's a PAINFUL grind obtaining it. Nobody wants to spend a majority of their game time grinding away in pubs just to run better stuff.
But, isn't exploiting these "faults" just ruining the game? I mean, now CCP will have to spend time fixing this issue rather than putting that time into something more beneficial. Sure the grind sucks, but what else is there to do? Ultimately we are fighting a battle one way or another, just snipe or run cheap suits. The argument that people can't make money by following the rules of the game is erroneous. The real problem is that people do not know how to play without running proto, or expensive suits, for whatever reason. And really there is only one reason for that, they cannot compete otherwise.
Now, I will be the first to admit I have tried running militia or some blueprint suits and cannot do it. But I seem to always have money to run proto when I want to and I achieve this without cheating. What is everybody else's excuse? |
Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
855
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Posted - 2015.05.28 18:20:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Or just remove the ISK value of BPO's? Then your average pub payout would be 100k ISK. Cause the value of the stuff lost in pubs is counted in what is beeing payd at the end of the match.
Really? I always thought pub match payouts were based entirely off WP & time in match (x ISK/sec). Maybe that changed and I missed the memo, though.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Kentucky Fried Clones
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Posted - 2015.05.28 18:34:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Or just remove the ISK value of BPO's? Then your average pub payout would be 100k ISK. Cause the value of the stuff lost in pubs is counted in what is beeing payd at the end of the match. Really? I always thought pub match payouts were based entirely off WP & time in match (x ISK/sec). Maybe that changed and I missed the memo, though.
that's correct for a base pay , and also used for skill points earned..but a larger chunk comes from isk destroyed. |
Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.28 19:21:00 -
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Patt MaCrotch wrote:
But, isn't exploiting these "faults" just ruining the game? I mean, now CCP will have to spend time fixing this issue rather than putting that time into something more beneficial. Sure the grind sucks, but what else is there to do? Ultimately we are fighting a battle one way or another, just snipe or run cheap suits. The argument that people can't make money by following the rules of the game is erroneous. The real problem is that people do not know how to play without running proto, or expensive suits, for whatever reason. And really there is only one reason for that, they cannot compete otherwise.
Now, I will be the first to admit I have tried running militia or some blueprint suits and cannot do it. But I seem to always have money to run proto when I want to and I achieve this without cheating. What is everybody else's excuse?
Exploits will be exploited in EVERY game. I get what you are saying though, but if there's an easy way to generate isk, people WILL exploit it regardless of how you feel about it. I honestly don't see it as wrong or right, it's there and whether you choose not to use it or not.
I assure you though, this will be fixed. I'm amazed they didn't see this comin as it's painfully obvious that BPO's could be used to exploit the system.
Though I think it does point to a larger problem when it comes to isk generation in dust. There IS a clear and obvious difference between proto and STD gear. But more to the point, why should I have to run lesser gear when I DO have the best of the best and those I'm going against (due to matchmaking) have the same.
Honestly we should be encouraged to use our better gear in some way, especially when it comes to FW. The current system does encourage that, but there is the problem of the free BPO items that have isk values comparable to STD counterparts.
I would suggest lowering the value of BPO, perhaps just in FW if possible. Considering that the suit, or vehicle, is essentially free to the user, isk value should reflect this.
Value a BPO lav at 1000 isk and that equates to 400 isk on a win and 200 isk for a loss. Assuming you win the match it would take net you 20,000 isk for losing 50 LAV's. Hardly worth anybodies time, as they could easily just run a pub and make far more than that.
Now considering doing that to BPO suits as well and you won't be making much of a profit at all running nothing but free stuff in FW. Sure you will make a little isk but is 50K isk really worth the time investment in the match to lose the amount of gear you need to even turn a very marginal profit.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 19:31:00 -
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Just change it from ISK lost to ISK destroyed. That would be way more balanced then the shenanigans you can do with the insurance system we have today. Insurance fraud aswell happends in real life, take a car, drive like a absolute **** so that the guy behind you has to bump into your car and then claim the insurance fee for fixing the car. but instead of having proper repairs you just do a shoddy paint job and do it again.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Dementia Maniaclease
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Posted - 2015.05.28 19:52:00 -
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Personally I think people need to quit complaining about trivial matters such as these
So a team is losing
So they figured a way to make their money back
Big deal!
I do enjoy this game with ALL. Its faults
But its seems a majority of the playerbase is a bunch of whiney kids
Waa waa these guys found an exploit
Waa waa there is a glitch on this map
Waa waa i don't like dying so much
Waa waa redline snipers
Waa waa this is op
Waa waa this is up
Waa
Waa
This is all I see on the forums anymore
Beware the mighty chinchillasaurus rex!
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Michael Epic
Horizons' Edge
No Context
931
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Posted - 2015.05.28 21:30:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Value a BPO lav at 1000 isk and that equates to 400 isk on a win and 200 isk for a loss. Assuming you win the match it would take net you 20,000 isk for losing 50 LAV's. Hardly worth anybodies time, as they could easily just run a pub and make far more than that.
Blood Raidar's Saga LAV BPO = 30,000 ISK worth every time its dropped.
50 LAV's x 30,000 isk per drop = 1,500,000 divided by 40% is 600,000 isk.
That's a really good 5000wp pub payout for doing nothing.....
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 22:22:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Value a BPO lav at 1000 isk and that equates to 400 isk on a win and 200 isk for a loss. Assuming you win the match it would take net you 20,000 isk for losing 50 LAV's. Hardly worth anybodies time, as they could easily just run a pub and make far more than that. Blood Raidar's Saga LAV BPO = 30,000 ISK worth every time its dropped. 50 LAV's x 30,000 isk per drop = 1,500,000 divided by 40% is 600,000 isk. That's a really good 5000wp pub payout for doing nothing.....
Wrong the Bloodraiders Saga is worth more then that cause it comes aswell with a AUR missile launcher.
LAV itself= 30k ISK
Brimstone missile launcher (pre fit on it)= 24k ISK (Aur turrets are for some reason worth that much)
total: 54k ISK for each LAV, 40% of that is 21,6K ISK.
You can boost this even further cause the old militia vehicle BPO modules still have their old cost attached to them. So if you put a militia heavy shield extender BPO, 2Xmilitia light shield booster BPO and a militia power upgrade BPO the ISK worth of just one LAV goes up to 83k ISK a pop. So 40% of that milita BPO fitted LAV has a cost equivalent of ~33k ISK.
So by your example if i loose 50 of the LAV's with sayd fit on them i get 1.65 million ISK (33K X 50= 1.65 mil). Just think about it that you could earn that by beeing the biggest scrub and do nothing at all and still earn just as much ISK like playing a PC match. And even if your team manages to loose you would still get 825k ISK.
That alone is the reason why it should be changed from ISK lost to ISK destroyed.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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