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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 16:30:00 -
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Apex suits, LAV spam infront of a red blaster, jumping with BPO suits into a pit etc. All this is way to easy to exploit the payout system in FW. Heck i even got a match where i earned 750k ISK+LP by just spamming LAV's infront of a red blaster installation.
In my opinion the system should not be a insurance but rather a bounty system for killing mercs that are playing on the opposing faction.
Cause at the moment its like this:
-Insurance:
redline enemy team and spam LAV BPO's and apex suits to earn 40% of your losses (20% on a loss)
How it should be:
-bounty system:
You get 40% of the ISK worth of what you kill (20% on a loss)
This way agressive playstyle is beeing rewarded instead of scrubby BPO LAV spam at the redline/red blaster installation.
It would make exploiting the system harder to do. I know that CCP Ratatti basically copy pasted the Ship insurance system from eve but what he overlooked is the fact that on PVE missions the Pirates have a bounty on them.
In eve you basically kill NPC pirates who have a bounty on them to earn ISK and then accomplish the mission to get the LP as reward. That way it would be more appealing to keep fighting as just go "oh well time to throw LAV's at em". Insurance is a bad idea for PVP while bounty payouts would be more encouraging.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 18:08:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Or just remove the ISK value of BPO's?
Then your average pub payout would be 100k ISK. Cause the value of the stuff lost in pubs is counted in what is beeing payd at the end of the match.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 19:31:00 -
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Just change it from ISK lost to ISK destroyed. That would be way more balanced then the shenanigans you can do with the insurance system we have today. Insurance fraud aswell happends in real life, take a car, drive like a absolute **** so that the guy behind you has to bump into your car and then claim the insurance fee for fixing the car. but instead of having proper repairs you just do a shoddy paint job and do it again.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 22:22:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Value a BPO lav at 1000 isk and that equates to 400 isk on a win and 200 isk for a loss. Assuming you win the match it would take net you 20,000 isk for losing 50 LAV's. Hardly worth anybodies time, as they could easily just run a pub and make far more than that. Blood Raidar's Saga LAV BPO = 30,000 ISK worth every time its dropped. 50 LAV's x 30,000 isk per drop = 1,500,000 divided by 40% is 600,000 isk. That's a really good 5000wp pub payout for doing nothing.....
Wrong the Bloodraiders Saga is worth more then that cause it comes aswell with a AUR missile launcher.
LAV itself= 30k ISK
Brimstone missile launcher (pre fit on it)= 24k ISK (Aur turrets are for some reason worth that much)
total: 54k ISK for each LAV, 40% of that is 21,6K ISK.
You can boost this even further cause the old militia vehicle BPO modules still have their old cost attached to them. So if you put a militia heavy shield extender BPO, 2Xmilitia light shield booster BPO and a militia power upgrade BPO the ISK worth of just one LAV goes up to 83k ISK a pop. So 40% of that milita BPO fitted LAV has a cost equivalent of ~33k ISK.
So by your example if i loose 50 of the LAV's with sayd fit on them i get 1.65 million ISK (33K X 50= 1.65 mil). Just think about it that you could earn that by beeing the biggest scrub and do nothing at all and still earn just as much ISK like playing a PC match. And even if your team manages to loose you would still get 825k ISK.
That alone is the reason why it should be changed from ISK lost to ISK destroyed.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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