DUST Search - Sgt Kirk: On Community

Zatara Rought wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Zatara Rought wrote:

This thread originated with tasteless intentions ...

1. Kirk proclaims -- repeatedly -- that the majority of the Community are idiots, then asks that Community to elect him as their representative.

2. A Community member looks into a CPM candidate's post history, then shares his findings and concerns.

^ Which of these is tasteless?

Because it is inflamatory, instead of constructive.

You're intentions couldn't be clearer.

It was always extremely clear to me when I was running for CPM those people who were here only to attempt to showcase my flaws and find any avenue in order to attempt to damage my candidacy and those who honestly came to me with concerns about who I was and what i was about.

Almost every people who was truly interested in figuring out if I was worthy of their vote despite my frailties came to me privately with constructive criticism and meaningful concerns, not lambasting posts in a public arena that were obviously seeking to highlight my weaknesses.

When people did come to me in public with questions of my candidacy they weren't accusatory and nefarious in nature eg:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2239781#post2239781

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2261631#post2261631

I was contacted by over 30 people on skype and email with a far range of concerns.

When sincere people used to forums to determine if i was someone they wanted to support they asked me why they should vote for me, checked out my vote match, and many other things.

But what of the ones who were obviously only there to bring me down? Look at Sota's comments as a prime example on my CPM campaign thread. He wasn't sincerely inquiring....he was there to be a stumbling block.

At worst the least you could do is simply promote the candidates you feel are worth your time, at best be open minded enough to get past your bias.

But simply targeting a candidate you don't like trying to showcase flaws? Ugh

If you can't see the difference between "Why should I vote for you, I am really concerned about X" vs "This is who this guy is and **** he did, yeah **** him as a candidate"

Kirk is so much more than the one dimensional flaws you purposed this thread to highlight and put put him on blast about.


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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2015.05.24 17:09:00 - [1] - Quote Posted: 2015.02.28 17:21 the fact that shield dropsuits take more intelligence to fit and play properly puts it at odds with most of the DUST community Posted: 2014.12.01 05:33 have to use some intelligence, which we have seen the DUST community severely lacks Posted: 2014.11.21 02:18 first two responses are examples of just how stupid the DUST community is Posted: 2014.10.25 16:25 want something to laugh about? The poor half-assed thought processes of this community is something to laugh about Posted: 2014.10.19 15:01 the community wasn't intelligent enough to put two and two together Posted: 2014.10.02 20:28 the simpleton thinking of the DUST 514 community Posted: 2014.08.30 23:54 People have different Ideas of Fun. My idea is challenging my brain and trying to win. Other people's idea of fun is derping around eating glue. This is where the community is divided. Posted: 2014.07.04 21:30 DS in himself is a good example of why this Community Sucks Posted: 2014.02.15 18:19 I knew most tankers were cancer but that can be said about 80% of the forum community Posted: 2013.12.31 13:46 90% of this community are slack-jawed idiots Posted: 2013.12.05 20:00 Because 80% of this community are idiots Posted: 2013.11.26 17:45 This is why I say this community is 90% idiots Posted: 2013.11.25 23:52 This community is pretty damn stupid Posted: 2013.10.08 03:51 Yeah, I think a major issue with the community is that they are incredibly stupid Posted: 2013.10.06 15:15 Once again another idiot that did not read the OP. I present to you the DUST community Posted: 2013.10.06 14:40 as always the poor DUST community can't get it through their tiny minds Posted: 2013.09.30 00:31 Dude that's 80% of the DUST community in a nutshell [horrifyingly stupid] Posted: 2013.09.05 11:37 If your ever see the townspeople in a show called parks and recreation, that's a good portion of the dust forum community. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=community&postedby=Sgt+Kirk "90% of this community are slack-jawed idiots." - Sgt Kirk "This community is so great" - Sgt Kirk (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Ah, I see a lot of those are from last year. I've been working on my coming to the forum after getting pissed after a bad match with blues for about three months now. I thought I've been doing pretty good. But, yeah. If that's you're only gripe with me is my anger issues which I'm working on then id say that's pretty good. You have your own personal problem with me and its pretty known, but it should stay between you and me only. On top of that a lot of these post are when I was and 18. That's a dramatic jump from where I am now at 20. Last year, this year, the year prior ... I didn't pay attention to the timeline honestly. I just copied/pasted the lines where you called us idiots. If you've recently changed your mind about us being idiots, I'm very happy to hear it. When did that happen, and why? Thrilled to hear that you're working on those anger issues, by the way. If elected to CPM, you'll need quite a deep well of patience, I'm afraid. Without patience, just imagine how frustrating it'll be having to deal with us in an official capacity, eating glue and derping about as we do. shudders "90% of this community are slack-jawed idiots." - Sgt Kirk "This community is so great" - Sgt Kirk for CPM2
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.05.29 16:58:00 - [3] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Ah, I see a lot of those are from last year. I've been working on my coming to the forum after getting pissed after a bad match with blues for about three months now. I thought I've been doing pretty good. But, yeah. If that's you're only gripe with me is my anger issues which I'm working on then id say that's pretty good. You have your own personal problem with me and its pretty known, but it should stay between you and me only. On top of that a lot of these post are when I was and 18. That's a dramatic jump from where I am now at 20. I don't know the history between you two, but I have to say that this was as good a response to a critical post as I have seen. A measured and respectful response. I have to give you props for that Sgt Kirk. We disagree from time to time, but as far as I know, there is not much history between Kirk and I. I've only recently posted concerns about him and only as it relates his candidacy. I'd express the same concerns about any other candidate who openly and repeatedly calls his constituents idiots. There's a chance he's grown up and suddenly developed a lesser sense of self. There's also a chance he actually believes what he's been saying about us for the past 3 years. I, for one, am not buying sudden change in disposition. And after Zatara and Judge, I think we as a Community would do well to better vet those we'd elect to speak for us. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.05.29 18:43:00 - [4] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Well, everyone has to grow up sometime. Between 18 and 20 is a common time frame for it to happen. Although I have seen it happen to some people as early as 12 (usually due to very challenging circumstances), and have seen others in their late 30's who have not grown up yet (often due to being spoiled and still living at home). The posts were returned on the search word "community". There are likely dozens (possibly hundreds) of other posts to the same effect which happen to lack the word "community". Assuming we had a complete record of all the instances where Sgt Kirk calls other people idiots (or the equivalent) we could take those instances and plot them over time. If Sgt Kirk grew up instantly, we'd be able to see exactly when that happened. If he is growing up gradually, we'd see a gradual decline over time. It'd also be pretty cool to see this behavioral trend line plotted against those of other candidates. Fun! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:52:00 - [5] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: This thread originated with tasteless intentions ... Which is more tasteless? 1. Kirk proclaims -- over and over again -- that the majority of us are idiots; then he asks us to elect him as our representative. 2. Looking into and sharing concerns over a CPM candidate's post history. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.03 19:31:00 - [6] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: This thread originated with tasteless intentions ... 1. Kirk proclaims -- repeatedly -- that the majority of the Community are idiots, then asks that Community to elect him as their representative. 2. A Community member looks into a CPM candidate's post history, then shares his findings and concerns. ^ Which of these is tasteless? Because it is inflamatory, instead of constructive. You're intentions couldn't be clearer. It was always extremely clear to me when I was running for CPM those people who were here only to attempt to showcase my flaws and find any avenue in order to attempt to damage my candidacy and those who honestly came to me with concerns about who I was and what i was about. Almost every people who was truly interested in figuring out if I was worthy of their vote despite my frailties came to me privately with constructive criticism and meaningful concerns, not lambasting posts in a public arena that were obviously seeking to highlight my weaknesses. When people did come to me in public with questions of my candidacy they weren't accusatory and nefarious in nature eg: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2239781#post2239781 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2261631#post2261631 I was contacted by over 30 people on skype and email with a far range of concerns. When sincere people used to forums to determine if i was someone they wanted to support they asked me why they should vote for me, checked out my vote match, and many other things. But what of the ones who were obviously only there to bring me down? Look at Sota's comments as a prime example on my CPM campaign thread. He wasn't sincerely inquiring....he was there to be a stumbling block. At worst the least you could do is simply promote the candidates you feel are worth your time, at best be open minded enough to get past your bias. But simply targeting a candidate you don't like trying to showcase flaws? If you can't see the difference between "Why should I vote for you, I am really concerned about X" vs "This is who this guy is and ** he did, yeah ** him as a candidate" Kirk is so much more than the one dimensional flaws you purposed this thread to highlight and put put him on blast about. You're incorrect to assume that I dislike Kirk, or that this thread has anything to do with disliking Kirk. Kirk and I have had very few dealings, and I've no reason to dislike him. I do, however, dislike some of things he has said about our Community. The fact that some of Kirk's comments might be considered inflammatory is all the more reason to bring them to light. Kirk's comments were made here, publicly, on the Forums. His comments were not exchanged privately or in confidence, nor are they being misrepresented in any way. These are Kirk's thoughts, and these are Kirk's words. Verbatim. As I see it, the Community has every right to call into question the post histories of those running for CPM. These are people we are picking to represent us; getting to know them better is constructive, productive and absolutely pertinent to the election process. There is nothing inflammatory about vetting candidates, and without our vetting, all we have to go on are the pretty words candidates part with during election season. Does the Community not have the right (and responsibility) to call into question the past behavior of those running for CPM? Where is written that candidates should be challenged and/or vetted privately via back-channel? PS: This thread is not about you, but I do find it curious how frequently you refer to back-channel and/or private communications. We've a free framework here courtesy of CCP which provides for us a public and permanent written record. Why it is that you prefer to communicate where there is no public or permanent record, I can only speculate. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.17 12:33:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Lastly, for those of you jumping the gun on OP. Bother to reads the comments please, context is fundamental which Nothi is notorious for screwing Context out of place to his own advantage and manipulating others onto his side, targeting people who especially don't know the whole story. If I were in the business of twisting words, I wouldn't have to twist yours. There is no possible story or context wherein your past statements might be excused, justified or deemed anything other than inappropriate. Especially for someone running for a position as community representative. These are your actions and your words, Kirk. These are your mistakes. Big Boys own their mistakes. Be a Big Boy, Kirk. Own your mistakes; don't try to pin them on other people. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.17 13:38:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ad Hominem "... responding to arguments by attacking a person's character" Should character play no part in the vetting of potential CPM? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.17 14:30:00 - [9] - Quote Right. Let's not hold people accountable for their actions. If for some reason we have to sum one another up, we should do so in 6 month intervals. And in private. Don't want to leave a trail or impact political aspirations. Solid precedent. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)