DUST Search - that power core thing is stupid bro

G Clone wrote:

Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote:

Makuta Miserix wrote:

You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right?

i realize that i see a bunch of armchair game developers and programmers throwin around hot new trendy dust 514 forum buzz words like "free up the memory" having all these grandiose visions of sugar plum faries

i realize that up until recent changes performance was better than what it is now

i realize there is a bunch of trash added recenly into the game ( acquistion game mode. awful new maps and sockets. apex bpos out the ass. skins) which totally flies in the face of this power core idea of taking a handful of suit models out the game

As an actual developer with few decades of experience (incl things like OpenGL), I'm having issues with the "Power Core" idea as it is proposed - I cannot see precisely what problem it assumes to fix.
It isn't that I'm opposed to changes, I even tried to understand the "gameplay" side [docs.google.com] of the changes, but until someone shows me a post from CCP that specifies the problem/root issue this specific topic is a fix for, then I'm squarely in the "WTF" camp.

'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.

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Michael-J-Fox Richards The Scope Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:02:00 - [1] - Quote on the reals. fix actual problems instead of implementing some awful noob friendly crutch. they already put the "proto" bpos (apex) in the game. now we can even modify them what more do you butt holes want. just ask for full free proto bpos already quit beating around the bush alts are for sissies. too legit, too legit to quit.
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 543	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:07:00 - [2] - Quote You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? Proud supporter of Scouts. Makuta Miserix the Assault/Logi part time Scout. Private Beta Veteran Dust 514/Starhawk
Michael-J-Fox Richards The Scope Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:34:00 - [3] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? i realize that i see a bunch of armchair game developers and programmers throwin around hot new trendy dust 514 forum buzz words like "free up the memory" having all these grandiose visions of sugar plum faries i realize that up until recent changes performance was better than what it is now i realize there is a bunch of trash added recenly into the game ( acquistion game mode. awful new maps and sockets. apex bpos out the ass. skins) which totally flies in the face of this power core idea of taking a handful of suit models out the game alts are for sissies. too legit, too legit to quit.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 643	Posted - 2015.05.24 14:02:00 - [4] - Quote I thought you were a troll until that second post of yours. They are fixing stuff in the background working on it they're just doing this as a main project. Besides who would want new fixes with the inability to add new content, that just makes the game more interesting. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.05.24 14:03:00 - [5] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? i realize that i see a bunch of armchair game developers and programmers throwin around hot new trendy dust 514 forum buzz words like "free up the memory" having all these grandiose visions of sugar plum faries i realize that up until recent changes performance was better than what it is now i realize there is a bunch of trash added recenly into the game ( acquistion game mode. awful new maps and sockets. apex bpos out the ass. skins) which totally flies in the face of this power core idea of taking a handful of suit models out the game You're a sugar plum fairy
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 537	Posted - 2015.05.24 14:03:00 - [6] - Quote Go fix them then. Click me
G Clone Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2015.05.24 15:13:00 - [7] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? i realize that i see a bunch of armchair game developers and programmers throwin around hot new trendy dust 514 forum buzz words like "free up the memory" having all these grandiose visions of sugar plum faries i realize that up until recent changes performance was better than what it is now i realize there is a bunch of trash added recenly into the game ( acquistion game mode. awful new maps and sockets. apex bpos out the ass. skins) which totally flies in the face of this power core idea of taking a handful of suit models out the game As an actual developer with few decades of experience (incl things like OpenGL), I'm having issues with the "Power Core" idea as it is proposed - I cannot see precisely what problem it assumes to fix. It isn't that I'm opposed to changes, I even tried to understand the "gameplay" side [docs.google.com] of the changes, but until someone shows me a post from CCP that specifies the problem/root issue this specific topic is a fix for, then I'm squarely in the "WTF" camp.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.24 15:26:00 - [8] - Quote G Clone wrote: Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? i realize that i see a bunch of armchair game developers and programmers throwin around hot new trendy dust 514 forum buzz words like "free up the memory" having all these grandiose visions of sugar plum faries i realize that up until recent changes performance was better than what it is now i realize there is a bunch of trash added recenly into the game ( acquistion game mode. awful new maps and sockets. apex bpos out the ass. skins) which totally flies in the face of this power core idea of taking a handful of suit models out the game As an actual developer with few decades of experience (incl things like OpenGL), I'm having issues with the "Power Core" idea as it is proposed - I cannot see precisely what problem it assumes to fix. It isn't that I'm opposed to changes, I even tried to understand the "gameplay" side [docs.google.com] of the changes, but until someone shows me a post from CCP that specifies the problem/root issue this specific topic is a fix for, then I'm squarely in the "WTF" camp. In a nutshell, there are 120(?) suit models that pre-load every time you start a match. The idea behind power cores is to drop that number to around 20. If you have ever played eve online, you should know that deleting your caches (chat logs, avatars, ect) improves performance after time. This is basically the same idea, but for dust. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.24 15:53:00 - [9] - Quote It may be confusing for another developer to understand because of how poorly the original dev team created this game. Take the Caldari medium frame for example. It is used for many different suits. Militia Caldari Medium Frame Caldari Medium Frame C-1 Caldari Medium Frame C/1-Series Caldari Medium Frame ck.0 Caldari Assault C-1 Caldari Assault C/1-Series Caldari Assault ck.0 'Neo' Caldari Assault C-1 'Neo' Caldari Assault C/1-Series 'Neo' Caldari Assault ck.0 State Caldari Assault C-1 State Caldari Assault C/1-Series State Caldari Assault ck.0 Caldari Logistics C-1 Caldari Logistics C/1-Series Caldari Logistics ck.0 'Neo' Caldari Logistics C-1 'Neo' Caldari Logistics C/1-Series 'Neo' Caldari Logistics ck.0 State Caldari Logistics C-1 State Caldari Logistics C/1-Series State Caldari Logistics ck.0 Plus many BPO'S That's over 22 different suits. Now logically you'd think they all use the same asset and should only have to go into the memory once, right? But nope, the original developers were so incompetent that all the suit details and animations need to be loaded over 22 times. With the powercore we work with known capabilites and reduce it down to just three (Basic, Assault , Logistics) given that slot modification is not a known capability. Also is lie if I said part of it wasn't to Trojan horse tiericide into the game. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
G Clone Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2015.05.24 16:55:00 - [10] - Quote (The FSCKING TLS bug on these forums dropped my reply) P14GU3 (Piagub?) and Aero, I appreciate what you're saying about redundant stuff, and I note that both your replies fail on one area: I asked for a pointer to where CCP said what the specific issue is. Basically, you're both pointing to redundant data being the issue, but not what type of data, why it is redundant, what memory in the PS3 (there's 2 types...) is being impacted, or what set of memory is being used at what levels. Fixing this type of issue requires quite a bit of insight, and I'm not saying that the community doesn't have it, or that we couldn't randomly find a fix (1000 blind chickens and 1000 typewriters), just that before backing an idea, proper information is required :) I'll try to do a write-up with some questions/concerns - with a bit of a lot of very much luck, perhaps CCP will answer with more details. As for the Trojan horse, I understand that ... but you're just moving tiering from suits to power-cores, achieving largely nothing but making the game more complex :(

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.24 17:06:00 - [11] - Quote G Clone, I'm not "just moving tiers from suits to powercores." This proposal removes slot progression all together. That is the main aspect of tiericide all the supporters wanted. Also I'm not a tech guy and I'm not sure which type of memory is being eaten up, and I'm not going to dig for Rattati's old posts explaining the problem, but clearly cutting down the number of suits is a good guess at improving performance and Rattati, who has a lot more information than me, seems to agree. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.24 17:06:00 - [12] - Quote To answer your question about the memory, I believe it is the RAM. I don't have time to find any of the post, but the devs have stated we have hit the cap basically for RAM. There are multiple assets ready to be put in the game (we have had a gallente RDV since beta iirc,] but there simy isn't enough RAM left to implement these new models. Using Aeros example above, 22 caldari suits can be turned into 3, freeing up much needed RAM. Modules do not use this memory as they don't need to be rendered in battle, therefore power cores can give us the other 19 varients of the suits, without using the much needed RAM. (BTW it is pronounced "plague" ) 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H No Context 762	Posted - 2015.05.24 17:13:00 - [13] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? i realize that i see a bunch of armchair game developers and programmers throwin around hot new trendy dust 514 forum buzz words like "free up the memory" having all these grandiose visions of sugar plum faries i realize that up until recent changes performance was better than what it is now i realize there is a bunch of trash added recenly into the game ( acquistion game mode. awful new maps and sockets. apex bpos out the ass. skins) which totally flies in the face of this power core idea of taking a handful of suit models out the game https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE The CPM candidate we need, not the one we want. The candidate for the rest of us.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:11:00 - [14] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: implementing some awful noob friendly crutch This is stupid on oh so many levels... Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:26:00 - [15] - Quote I know school is out, and you feel the need to release the relentless 5th grade rage upon the internet, but that's for Facebook. Now, just allow things to fall into place like they always have. *Official Forum Bird* "Agony is the body cleansing itself." - Viktor Revon
Kaughst Nyain San 822	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:57:00 - [16] - Quote Esplain powercores to me pleese, been away from the game to long. mang Don't think about that, think about all the money.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:59:00 - [17] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Esplain powercores to me pleese, been away from the game to long. mang https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202616&find=unread 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 470	Posted - 2015.05.24 21:21:00 - [18] - Quote The stupid hurts. BRB, looking for socks PSN: tommygunboy2080 I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Kaughst Nyain San 823	Posted - 2015.05.24 21:43:00 - [19] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Kaughst wrote: Esplain powercores to me pleese, been away from the game to long. mang https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202616&find=unread zthe idea sounds elegant...I wonder if it could be applied to Legion in some way. Don't think about that, think about all the money.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.24 21:51:00 - [20] - Quote Kaughst wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Kaughst wrote: Esplain powercores to me pleese, been away from the game to long. mang https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202616&find=unread zthe idea sounds elegant...I wonder if it could be applied to Legion in some way. That is, if legion is still in the works. I imagine if powercores/teiricide works, and improves dust vastly, it will probably be ported to PC/PS4 as is, or rebranded in some way. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.24 22:11:00 - [21] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: on the reals. fix actual problems instead of implementing some awful noob friendly crutch. they already put the "proto" bpos (apex) in the game. now we can even modify them what more do you butt holes want. just ask for full free proto bpos already quit beating around the bush every one point at this freeloading ponce right here. You sir should hit the switch on your backhead to enable your brain capacity. Cause you obviously where not thinking when writing that post. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.05.24 22:13:00 - [22] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? Going to laugh really hard when it has no impact whatsoever. Usually banned for being too awesome.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.24 22:33:00 - [23] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? Going to laugh really hard when it has no impact whatsoever. Even if it makes to difference what's the harm in cutting out the ridiculous number of assets and replacing them with a more simplistic system that augments the SKIN System. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.24 22:33:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? Going to laugh really hard when it has no impact whatsoever. Why do you get off on failure? I'll never understand people like you. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Vicious Minotaur 2	Posted - 2015.05.24 22:36:00 - [25] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? Going to laugh really hard when it has no impact whatsoever. Why do you get off on failure? I'll never understand people like you. For some, sexual gratification is hard to come by. So, they get off on weird things. Like feet. Like fe+ºes. Or failure. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.05.24 23:30:00 - [26] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: You realize that a big part of that idea is to improve the games performance. Right? Going to laugh really hard when it has no impact whatsoever. Why do you get off on failure? I'll never understand people like you. For some, sexual gratification is hard to come by. So, they get off on weird things. Like feet. Like fe+ºes. Or failure. Prolly all three in Himiko's case. not there's anything wrong with that, per say... Sometimes I THINK you're r-tarded, most times I KNOW you're r-tarded. I less than three you DUST forums.
Scotty AI MatchMaker The Templis Dragonaurs 19	Posted - 2015.05.25 12:56:00 - [27] - Quote Selling attention for 100k a pop. Seriously, if they had read half a thread about it they would already know, if they were PC programmers and read half a thread on power cores they would know. Either way the idea is a possible break through and could triple today's features as well as sort out old issues. Rattati's looking into it and hopefully we'll get an idea whether or not it can be implemented in future updates, 'War is simply the galaxies hygiene.'
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.05.25 13:56:00 - [28] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: on the reals. fix actual problems instead of implementing some awful noob friendly crutch. they already put the "proto" bpos (apex) in the game. now we can even modify them what more do you butt holes want. just ask for full free proto bpos already quit beating around the bush This is a poor troll post. 1/10. Not fooling anyone WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.05.25 14:17:00 - [29] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: on the reals. fix actual problems instead of implementing some awful noob friendly crutch. they already put the "proto" bpos (apex) in the game. now we can even modify them what more do you butt holes want. just ask for full free proto bpos already quit beating around the bush You are the first person to criticize that "power core" idea, yet you lack any substance why. Yes, I think too that the fitting becomes simpler and duller and as a fitting enthusiast that reallly saddens me - but perfomance is really paramount here! Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.


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