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KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2015.05.21 07:56:00 -
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I am sorry but the entire idea of a 'glass cannon' tank makes no sense. Well, it might be worth thinking about except for the very actions of CCP. Specifically how can you shoot at range when there is no range in the game anymore? Tanks and turrets have gotten repeatedly ganked by the shank masters. FG and AV can get close enough to the red line that CCP's idea just cost anyone silly enough to listen to them a tank. Not to mention these forums and the chats are filled with QQs about red line tanks (but CCP likes it doesn't stem the tide of QQs).
My alt got in a tank fight tonight (UTC morning) and the Red tank fired from extreme (okay, Dust's pizz ant) range. I backed up, put on the hardener, enabled the missile damage mod, rolled forward and dumped a clip. Dead shield tank (C/1). I suspect that target acquisition focus cost them their tank (that a bad fit). With the exception of the blaster tanks both missile and rail guns have effective damage at exactly the same range. With hardeners coming with 2 second delays waiting until you see the shields dropping is too late. Once I have blasted through their shields they are dead.
It is rare that a shield tank can get away from my Maddies. They have, but not many. Not saying my Maddies are perfect. Losing them happens more than I like and it is much too expensive. One of the reason not to play Dust too long, this game is so weird in that playing costs game currency. Win or lose, you lose.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:15:00 -
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Magnus Belmont wrote:Caldari isn't Galente enough, serious problem yo.
What does that mean?
Non-EVE player.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:28:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Missiles are almost absolutely pointless against an armor tank. Also, the blaster turret can probably dig through 2000-3000 of my shields before the shield hardener is up (My primary defense) which is a major issue. Armor tanks get a warning because they have shield as a buffer. Their majority of HP is Armor so they have plenty of time to turn on hardeners. Not fair.
Sorry, I run XTs more than any other turret (I have yet to adjust to the heat reduced rail guns). I pop more armor tanks than shields. There are more armor on the field, so that is normal. But I can eat through their shields in just a few missiles and most of their armor in one clip. Fast reload and I can get enough back in the magazine to finish it off, even with hardeners and with repair going constantly. Every now and then I find a tanker that neither can get the edge over. Quite funny when it happens and we both have back off. Hoping for AV support or another tanker (or our side).
You are correct on their shield warning. I use Maddy shields as a I got shot flag.
To survive in a shield you must enter the fight with at least one hardener active. They reduce missile strikes by a significant amount. For blasters, you simply cannot get close to them. Armor or shield. Turning on a hardener after you get hit will usually be fruitless, as in you get no apple today - cause you're dead. 2 second delays are lethal. Two hardeners take 4-5 seconds to be active.
The great TANK SHANK of 1.7/1.8 redesigned tank warfare. It is quite a bit simpler, easier to understand, less rewarding and it moved me from shields to armor. As designed by CCP. That is what they stated they wanted to accomplish. Shields are glass cannons, meant to hit and run. Or come in close and die.
It worked. Of course, I have very few of my friends left here down in the dust.
Possibly not as they planned. 
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Magnus Belmont wrote:Caldari isn't Galente enough, serious problem yo. What does that mean? Non-EVE player. They mean people are complaining that caldari aren't good at using fittings and tactics that the gallente are meant to use. It works with just about every complaint about the caldari To be fair though Shields are not well depicted in Dust nor are the Caldari. They are essentially the Amarr of Shields.
Thanks you two.
So the Caldari shields would be equal to Amarr armor then?
Well, Dust shields have been a problem since before Chromosome. And they only got worse with the actual game release. Something to do with the physics and how damage is applied is off. They only seem to be effective against missiles and with one or more hardeners active.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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