I agree with the OP, currently Light Attack Vehicles see little use because they are massively overshadowed by the heavy vehicles. As he says, they can do everything an LAV can do and better. They're also hardly slouches in the speed department when they want to make a quick getaway.

Making them tougher isn't really the answer as then they're just Heavy attack vehicles with a smaller profile, but turning them into something else than an attack vehicle is an excellent idea.

1: You could have truly mobile spawn points with the vehicle acting as a spawn point. A way to co-ordinate an attack and quickly flank an enemy that had pushed you back to limited spawn locations.

2: Mobile cover generation - Vehicles that could enter a hardened mode where they become completely immobile but are virtually indestructible as cover for people behind them and providing resupply.

3: Counter-measure deployment - support for larger tanks where the LAV has Chaff or some other form of countermeasure to neutralise tank-buster weapons. Allow them to act in concert with the bigger tanks.

4: Mobile e-war - Semi-Permanent active scanning/scanning protection etc.

There are probably other uses that could be found for them, but there are four. Obviously care would need to be taken to ensure that you couldn't use them to block off objectives and the like, but as the OP says, they are currently just not worth taking if you can take a tank instead.

The first one is the LDS's role.

the second one is something Marauders will be doing, and the resupply would be something more for MAV's, particularrly a Logistic one.

That's something the HAV itself could have, although being able to jam signals out or straight up being a mobile force field would be kinda sweet.

The last one isn't EWAR, its scanning. Actual vehicle EWAR would be a role of SLAV's though.

LLV's were great for repping vehicles, their remote reps were just great. it becoming a thing again would be just wonderful.

Bottom line is that they need to do things that HAV's won't be good at, but LAV's as a platform will be. Just giving them anything and everything is not the thing to do.

The MAV doesn't exist in the game at present and nor do SLAV's or LLV's in terms of game UI separation. Why create new classifications when they could be done under the LAV and Advanced LAV banner.

I'm not suggesting giving them everything and anything, much like a medium suit that comes in Assault and Logistics flavours doesn't suddenly get everything. They are discrete roles under the medium suit banner. Nor am I making any concrete "this is how you must fix them" statements.

They were suggestions of possibilities and rather than add anything constructive, you decided it would be better to suggest one is added to HAV's, thus further marginalising LAV's, and stating that the rest would be the roles of vehicle classifications that currently don't exist in the game that I can find, or to argue nomenclature and terminology minutiae. Scanning IS electronic warfare. It's using electronics and the EM spectrum (in this case electronic scanning) to gain an advantage on the battlefield. That's pretty much a textbook example of e-war.

The problem is, as the OP stated, that there is nothing that the LAV can currently do that the HAV cannot do better and with more staying power, which renders LAV's obsolete. This is the problem, I was just suggesting some roles that LAV's could do that HAV's currently don't.

In another vein, what the hell is with the use of all the Acronyms, not everyone understands every acronym used, MAV is fairly obvious, but what the hell is an LDS? What the hell is an LLV?

Nerf tank speed. Then LAVs become viable.

Buff tank durability somewhat to compensate.

Hehe.

Look, the problem with tanks and (DSes) is that they get popped super fast when confronted by multiple AVs. Alpha damage right? The vehicles have little time to respond. They are either looking at the AVers and can try to kill them, or, and this is far more common, they run. Then AVers complain that they can't kill tanks, and tanks complain that AV is OP.

So, reintroduce skill.

Slow down tanks. Make them more durable. Then a tank can sit and have a full on fight with an AVer. However, if the tank driver isn't very good then they aren't escaping. Then AVers can have more epic fights with Tanks. Tanks can have epic fights with AVers, and skill is reintroduced.

And I don't mean tank top speed. I mean acceleration. Make em take more time to get to speed so they can't just run away at will.

Then speed up LAVs a bit. They are soft as it is, but you can't buff LAV toughness without reintroducing murder taxi BS that ultimately got LogiLAVS removed from game. But, if they are fast, then driver skill becomes a thing. Missles can be outrun. ETC.

This is just my opinion, and I recognize I might be totally wrong, (and the way I worded it was tongue in cheek teasing,) but there is a rationale behind it.

The MAV however is very possible to exist in the future (especially since devs like Ratatti wants to move and improve dust on better platforms), and tying down roles to other vehicles is a bad idea. I seriously don't want another commando to happen. SLAV and LLV's are T II LAV's, so wtf are you getting at?

You pretty much did do just that. You gave them roles that other already made (and are awaiting glorious return) vehicles have and wanted to give them to basic LAV's. And at current medium sized suits have issues with just this as far as I understand, so again, wtf are you getting at?

I've already given several threads (I think 17 at this point), and a couple google docs over the course of Dust history suggesting what should be done about LAV's. I've been at this for a minute. What have you done?

And scanning =/= EWAR. Scanning has to do with target finding (basically D-scan and things of that nature for Dust), and EWAR has to do with suppressing that said target (webs, sensor damps, ECM, etc.). They often work hand in hand, but they are not the same thing. You can't use irl **** to cover specific game terms, that's silly.

That changes the fact that trying to make them either vastly superior at in general being useful or trying to make them do the exact same **** won't work and is just silly?

If you don't know what a LDS or a LLV is, you're too young to try and tell me **** isn't real. My Limbus is better than your entire collective existence.


EDIT: Let this be a warning to all you scrubs out there trying to roast people: If you don't know what you're talking about, don't try and talk **** like you're all mighty. It won't work. At most, you'll look like a fool.

Lol, I'll admit comparing LAV to tanks was not the best way to go, however in the current state, they do exactly the same thing.

I definitely prefer some of the other approaches being suggested in the replies, the LAV needs a role... Though as good as logistic LAV's would be, I always thought it would be better to add as a separate small turret, as flying in close with an ads would be hellishly fun (and yet equally suicidal.)

Would need to stop a pair of tanks constantly repping each other though, so perhaps a bonus for the other two that make it worth using, or just not allowing them to be fit on tanks...

Coming out and trying to compare a LAV to a HAV was where this went wrong
But I have to say, leaving them as it is is just another pointless item in game..

A Logi LAV would be great, and I'd kill the Scout LAV and make it more of an Assault vehicle (turret bonus)


LAV's should have some purpose other than free bpo's being littered like candy wrappers
Turret LAVs would add another dimension to gameplay, using them now is suicide.

Derpty Derp for CPM2 - Bring back the murder taxi !!

I'm right because I was told those vehicles were coming back, and was also told that if we were able to get proper development and assets, MAV's would eventually be done, and if we just chuck **** at basic ass LAV's, not only will that invalidate all those vehicles, it would give one hull tpe so many roles it's broken. And why do you keep on saying "these things don't exist" when you clearly don't know what they are (note: They aren't ******* fits, they are actual vehicles. Again, my Limbus is better than your entire existence).

If you actually think that, then you fail at understanding the basics of context. A word can mean man different things. Hell, Plex means three different things in EVE. you especially fail at it however, seeing as I explained how they are different, and you still say that. Oh, and tackling is considered EWAR for the most part in EVE. EWAR is skin to every other MMO's debuffing systems. Which is why it becomes separate. You're trying to put several different systems together and mold them into your own definitions. It just doesn't work like that.

I did say why, and I've said why similar **** should occur; I don't want another Commando situation. If you can't see, that's fine though.

Sure doesn't, everyone has an opinion of something. That doens't change the fact that it's an uneducated opinion. If you don't know ****, ask, or shut your bluedot mouth.

I'm not beggin for MAV's, I'm simply saying it'd work better simply as a MAV. That's clear by seeing the actual concept of a MAV.

That statement is fair. What does this have to do with this topic at all?

They cannot, those vehicles already exist, well except for the EDAV, that is simply a new hull I made up to fill the requirement of three T II items, and that naturally fit. The first two are real hulls. You might know that, doesn't change the fact that they are.

When people tend to say silly ****, they either are a child, trolling, or just in general don't know what the **** they are talking about (kinda like how you are now), especially if they don't explain themselves, which is why I respond with equally silly comments. want smart comments? Form and say smart ****. I mean, Breakin knows, I've given him both silly and smart comments about whatever he says.

Who says that I've always posted on this one single account? Also, I highly doubt it even saved every last posting I've done, as this character itself is ******* old. Also, if you show them, people will see them. I know that is arcane is ****, especailly since you typically don't know what in the holy **** you're talking about but you know, it actually works!

It does when they try and argue facts about basic **** that everyone who knows gets.

It is cheaper.

You're not the first to say it, and it's certainly a valid argument. Another is that it is probably easier to skill into it. The point really though is if you have the option and you actually want to kill something, generally take the tank as it'll do the job more efficiently. The LAV doesn't really fit in, the maps are small enough that the transport isn't enough of a thing to give it that any more. So other than ISK/Skill points (though I haven't done the math on SP's, they might be very similar , but something tells me otherwise) there is really no need/desire to have one.

if you want LAVS to be.... well light attack/assault vehicules why not giving them an unique module only usable for them, that can track and shoot at targets selected by the driver, each tier of the module would have more range of target detection and accuracy

as for HAVs speed the only thing thats needed its to change the nitrous from the high slots to the low slots