DUST Search - Why use an LAV over a tank?

Krias Thracian wrote:

In addition you went from telling me that I couldn't use IRL terms in a game (something that is demonstrably fallatious as the entire game is an abstract of various real-world concepts, most tellingly a battlefield/war scenario) because it's silly (something I provided a reasoned rebuttal to) to telling me I "Fail at understanding context" with no actual argument.

You do understand that telling me that words can have different meanings isn't an argument? It's a statement. It doesn't back up your argument in any way as I was talking to you about common conceptual frameworks for cultures, not the definitions of words. You once again come across as a petulant child who can't think of a reasoned argument and resorts to dictionary definitions and insults.

I will however warn you for the only time, I'm fed up of the insults. There is no need for them. If you want to have a reasoned discussion/argument then fine, I have no issues with that, but your entire attack is based on the assumption that I think LAV's should be given all the roles in my initial post. I don't. I was suggesting some roles they could be considered for, as I have said repeatedly. However, if you persist in the insults (asterisking out the insulting profanity doesn't change the intent) then I will report you for it. Give me reasoned argument, not crazy insults and I'll engage with you on that level.

That said, some of the ideas you've had on other posts are very interesting, I particularly like the bubble rep idea. The LAV is weak enough that I don't think it would be OP and it would make the LAV an instant target, which could bring some interesting metrics. I think they would have to be careful to make sure they couldn't get to certain areas of the map or they could create severe imbalances in the right location. But then again the reps would be probably about the same as current reppers and damage can happily penetrate through them to kill someone.

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Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3178	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:15:00 - [31] - Quote Krias Thracian wrote: In addition you went from telling me that I couldn't use IRL terms in a game (something that is demonstrably fallatious as the entire game is an abstract of various real-world concepts, most tellingly a battlefield/war scenario) because it's silly (something I provided a reasoned rebuttal to) to telling me I "Fail at understanding context" with no actual argument. You do understand that telling me that words can have different meanings isn't an argument? It's a statement. It doesn't back up your argument in any way as I was talking to you about common conceptual frameworks for cultures, not the definitions of words. You once again come across as a petulant child who can't think of a reasoned argument and resorts to dictionary definitions and insults. I will however warn you for the only time, I'm fed up of the insults. There is no need for them. If you want to have a reasoned discussion/argument then fine, I have no issues with that, but your entire attack is based on the assumption that I think LAV's should be given all the roles in my initial post. I don't. I was suggesting some roles they could be considered for, as I have said repeatedly. However, if you persist in the insults (asterisking out the insulting profanity doesn't change the intent) then I will report you for it. Give me reasoned argument, not crazy insults and I'll engage with you on that level. That said, some of the ideas you've had on other posts are very interesting, I particularly like the bubble rep idea. The LAV is weak enough that I don't think it would be OP and it would make the LAV an instant target, which could bring some interesting metrics. I think they would have to be careful to make sure they couldn't get to certain areas of the map or they could create severe imbalances in the right location. But then again the reps would be probably about the same as current reppers and damage can happily penetrate through them to kill someone. I didn't say you couldn't use irl terms in a game, I said you couldn't use them for specific terms. Again, the little ** doesn't get something, that's okay though, as you seem to not understand much of jack . It's not that words have different meanings, it's that words can in different contexts have nothing to do with each other, only being similar by a thread. RR's aren't rifles for example, because they don't have rifling, like at all. Yet, they are based on Dust standards, and pretty much by New Eden standards, a rifle. They have two clear attributes, but share the same name. But of course, you again don't understand that. This is New Eden, gambling, pirating, cheating, and in general is a place full of merry drunk *** trying to constantly people over in a blazing glory and sweet and salty tears. GET ANGRY ***. Then, go murder people. It's your job. ISK don't make itself in any efficient manner. Also, it seems like you've never been properly introed into our wonderland. Welcome to New Eden scrub. Git Gud, or get slain. Anyways, I never said that you specifically wanted those specific ones, I simply said any of those. All was added simply because of your ass poor explanation, which again you didn't understand. Those ideas are for those specific hulls, not for T I LAV's. Even if they were to use those modules (if they even could), it wouldn't be nearly as good using them due to not being bonused for said items, which they shouldn't be, as it's not their role. I've explained this at least twice in this thread now, simply giving whatever a bonus that something else already has as a role doesn't work. As I sidenote, never join a corp with hardcore players, you're going to meet people that's going to enrage you if you can't handle me. Although, someone soundclouding your rage fits would be just great Top lel
Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.05.16 09:02:00 - [32] - Quote Giving away someone's position in an FPS where position is not generally known is a hindrance. They have to move from what was previously a safe location. Knowing the enemy position is a hindrance to that enemy. It tells you that you have been scanned, if it didn't tell you, it would still be a hindrance but you just wouldn't know.. The same as in Eve where combat scanning someone down and then being able to warp to them is time to get the hell out of dodge [the closest equivalent in eve]. It's a hindrance to the other player because it affects the decisions they have to make in the game going forward. Don't flatter yourself, you aren't enraging me, your insults are unnecessary and tiresome and a sign of a lack of maturity. As I have already explained, CCP don't generally remove items from people that already have them, but their not existing on the market for general consumption means that they don't exist outside of a select few individuals so they don't exist for the vast majority of the players. The radar/map is generally terrible [by design] and unless you have insane bonuses to passive scanning, you can't spot much of anything on it without an active scan from someone, it's one of the things I had to very quickly learn when I started playing a couple years ago, don't trust the bloody radar. I stopped playing for some time due to the buggy as feck nature and the P2W nature of the game and have come back a few times since. Whatever has been promised by devs and might happen in the future is not relevant to this discussion. What might theoretically be returned, or added to the game has no bearing on this. There is no point whatsoever to adding (or returning) specific items to a game where basic items are broken with no purpose. All that will do is further marginalise the broken items and see further declines in their use. Whatever has been promised by devs isn't worth anything to this discussion either and as you say yourself, the word "try" is the important one in the promise. If it can't be made to work, they won't put it back in. I will reiterate, if it still exists in code but noone can use it, then it doesn't exist in the game defacto and when you don't actually bother explaining yourself in any meaningful fashion - for example I've been playing since Beta but really couldn't give a flying monkeys about using vehicles myself, I've never skilled into them and never used them. My comments are based out of the observation that LAV's usage by other people have basically dropped through the floor. It is unreasonable to expect me to know things that have been removed from the game by CCP because they were considered OP and CCP didn't know how to fix them at the time. The fact that you may or may not have been promised a return (which again, you can't prove and forum posts don't mean anything as they aren't binding) is irrelevant as the discussion is general LAV's. As I said earlier, if you want to compartmentalise them into different discrete roles, Scout/Logistics/Assault, whatever, then fine, that solves the issue just as well because LAV's are then not useless. As for looking up something in Eve. I have no need to, based on a guess of your maturity in this conversation so far, I've been playing Eve for about a third of your life, but eve uni is out and out the best teaching corp in the game for teaching new players how to play the game and they have a dust uni as well. Webbing is casually referred to by some as e-war. It is not considered e-war by CCP (when discussing e-war it is always the four on the e-uni page) and it is not considered e-war by the majority of Eve players. As I said, Active Scans hinder your opponent because they give away their position, that is a tactical advantage to you and a disadvantage to them as knowing someone's position on a battlefield is powerful. Sensor dampening makes it harder for your position to be given away, it hinders your opponent as it makes it harder for them to find your position other than visually and gives you an advantage over them. By any definition it is E-War. There are numerous posts on this forum defining it as such, yet you seem to be the only one claiming otherwise. Pistols aren't rifles either, yet modern pistols and shotguns have barrel rifling, what's your point? That doesn't mean anything or have any bearing at all on what's being discussed. You once again claim I fail to understand something without a proper explanation of what you're referring to and using ad hominem to try and make your point. It would appear that you don't understand the evolution of language. Rifle doesn't just refer to a gun with rifling any more, it's moved beyond that to encompass a specific shape and size of weapon. Tank turrets also have rifling. Most weapons do because it improves the accuracy of the weapon, so by your logic all weapons are rifles. That simply isn't the case as it's not here. E-War absolutely does affect you [the person engaging in it], it makes it harder for the enemy to shoot you, therefore it makes you safer. That is an effect on you.
Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.05.16 09:12:00 - [33] - Quote I don't think we are getting anywhere with this and we have derailed this thread enough. All we are now doing is repeating the same arguments while you resort to ad hom and insults. I don't intend to continue this discussion with you, I have better things to do with my time. Apologies for derailing the thread.
Oswald Rehnquist 1553	Posted - 2015.05.16 09:13:00 - [34] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yA92oJXM5k LAV's can move faster than tanks can track. Below 28 dB
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3178	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:27:00 - [35] - Quote Krias Thracian wrote: I don't think we are getting anywhere with this and we have derailed this thread enough. All we are now doing is repeating the same arguments while you resort to ad hom and insults. I don't intend to continue this discussion with you, I have better things to do with my time. Apologies for derailing the thread. Because you simply refuse to understand a single thing I say, because you one ignant sumbitch. This thread is a mess in the first place. Top lel
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3178	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:33:00 - [36] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yA92oJXM5k LAV's can move faster than tanks can track. This looks like **** pilots using **** builds and refused to actually fight back, or put themselves in a position where they can't. Top lel
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1064	Posted - 2015.05.16 18:00:00 - [37] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yA92oJXM5k LAV's can move faster than tanks can track. Bad pilot with an armour tank refused to shoot back at the LAV... Possible lack of damage notification? Either way, proves nothing. If you try to drive around a shield tank, it can blow you to pieces... Also how many times is that guy gonna overheat the rail, that is some bad turret control! BLOOD Ruler wrote: It is cheaper. It is debatable... If you run a **** fit LAV, it'll blow up a lot... If you run around in free LAV with free suit, you're gonna get nowhere against mildly competent opponents. If you build a decent Saga-II, I'd suggest it could cost more than a capable militia tank.
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3178	Posted - 2015.05.17 03:25:00 - [38] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yA92oJXM5k LAV's can move faster than tanks can track. Bad pilot with an armour tank refused to shoot back at the LAV... Possible lack of damage notification? Either way, proves nothing. If you try to drive around a shield tank, it can blow you to pieces... Also how many times is that guy gonna overheat the rail, that is some bad turret control! BLOOD Ruler wrote: It is cheaper. It is debatable... If you run a **** fit LAV, it'll blow up a lot... If you run around in free LAV with free suit, you're gonna get nowhere against mildly competent opponents. If you build a decent Saga-II, I'd suggest it could cost more than a capable militia tank. Most fits I can make with a LAV (note It's a freefit, but still, pink Methana) are meh at that. Although if I don't get ganked by AV or a HAV (fair enough, it's a LAV, it needs to keep moving), it's a really good platform for a full plate Templar Sent. I was able to gun down 14 people with it, blasters are actually halfway decent now (although chromo ones were still just better). Top lel


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