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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 16:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:I like this idea a lot. If it will open up more memory for other things then let's do this!
Going to be a stickler and say I hate the idea of them being called "Power Cores" when they provide both CPU and PG, but maybe we can brainstorm a better name. Like "Arc Reactor"?
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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 16:48:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Joel II X wrote:Awesome idea, but if I have a BPO suit and add a prototype core, wouldn't it be a cheaper BPO since it's a proto fit minus the cost of a STD suit? 3 ISK may seem like nothing, but it adds up eventually.
Other than that, it really is a grand idea. +1 Maybe make it so that with any BPO suit you can't change out the core; it's automatically fitted with a militia or standard BPO core. But this makes me think of other BPOs. What about Apex suits? How do you justify buying (or already having purchased) an Apex when you can simply get a Quafe standard suit that will have the same slot layout and the same type of core? I won't spend all that AUR--or time in FW--just to get BPO modules that can't be used on any other suit. Also, what about Frontline suits? Will they essentially be a standard BPO with a standard or militia core? And won't that deter anyone from buying a handful of standard BPO suits? Just some thoughts that popped up in my head as I digested this great idea. Because every suit would require a Power Core, the suit itself could be "free" since all the cost could be weighted on the Power Core. Therefore, each legacy BPO suit could be converted into: a standard racial frame, a role-specific BPO Power Core and a "collector's edition" skin.
Solved.
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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 17:02:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Maybe you can think of something, Rip, but then how do you justify standard BPO suits with standard BPO cores against Apex BPO suits (with the same slots) with a standard BPO core? Again, the only thing you're gaining between the two are standard BPO mods/weapons that cost very little ISK, if you purchase them outright.
Use that big brain of yours and come up with a solution. Banor, you get that amazing APEX color scheme! I would be comfortable with a special APEX core that is somewhere between a standard and advanced core in PG/CPU. Let's call it Standard+ core. The Standard+ would be designed around allowing the APEX to run it's loadout + 2 - 3 advanced modules or an advanced weapon. We'd be getting rid of over 100 suits... I don't think adding one or two new tiers of Power Cores should be an issue -- militia, standard, advanced, officer, prototype.
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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 17:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Avallo Kantor wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Where are people getting the idea that Aero's post suggested all suits become BPOs?
I don't see that anywhere in there. To be fair it was not stated in the initial idea, although it was suggested elsewhere, and I think it's a fairly strong idea. The original idea was that the suit would be a standard or militia based suit, that then had a powercore slot, with the power cores costing the difference between what a Adv / proto suit costs now, and the cost of the standard / militia frame. However if 100% of the cost was offloaded onto the power core (which isn't that much of a difference) then we could easily make the dropsuit itself a BPO. The main reason I like this is that it makes it just a bit easier to worry about restocks, since it's one less thing to worry about restocking, without reducing any of the economy / important features of buying a suit. I personally think it's a great addition to the concept of powercores. BPO suits would also solve the issue of basic aurum cores. By that I mean the sit would require no skills but not function without a core. Then the aurum standard core could require no skills to keep everything the same, and then regular ISK core that requires level 1. This would also mean current BPO's would turn into BPO SKIN mod and BPO core mod. "Congratulations on surviving the Academy kid." *salutes* "Here is your kit." *hands recruit a militia Power CORE BPO and a tooth brush* "Oral healthcare is important... Pick up a battlesuit frame from the Supply Officer on your way to your barracks." *salutes* "Good luck out there."
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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 18:34:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:bogeyman m wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Maybe you can think of something, Rip, but then how do you justify standard BPO suits with standard BPO cores against Apex BPO suits (with the same slots) with a standard BPO core? Again, the only thing you're gaining between the two are standard BPO mods/weapons that cost very little ISK, if you purchase them outright.
Use that big brain of yours and come up with a solution. Banor, you get that amazing APEX color scheme! I would be comfortable with a special APEX core that is somewhere between a standard and advanced core in PG/CPU. Let's call it Standard+ core. The Standard+ would be designed around allowing the APEX to run it's loadout + 2 - 3 advanced modules or an advanced weapon. We'd be getting rid of over 100 suits... I don't think adding one or two new tiers of Power Cores should be an issue -- militia, standard, advanced, officer, prototype. It's impossible to have officer powercores that represent their officer frames due to them having different slot layouts. Okay... Call them something else... "Enhanced".
Fixed.
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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 18:59:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Again, my main concern about this free BPO's for everybody is the financial aspect.
And if you turn our current BPO's to include a powercore BPO, then that is the equivalent of currently giving every single person in dust a bpo of everything in our current game for the price of one BPO.
Why is that the case? When you have 3 items (powercores), and one of them turns into a bpo (to compensate the old BPOs), that is such a massive gain into the system, we literally then have 1/3 of everything for free in the game suit wise, without having to finance CCP, without having to risk a whole lot.
So we either screw the people who bought bpo's financing ccp or we literally erase loss from about a 1/3 of the entire game under the proposal which traditionally was compensated by gameplay or giving money to CCP. Seriously, a powercore bpo is like one bpo to rule them all. Not exactly.
1) Legacy and Apex BPOs already exist. Whatever ISK benefit they provide is already being enjoyed by many people.
2) Legacy and Apex BPOs were already paid for. Converting them to an appropriate configuration under this new model won't change their financial impact -- past or future.
3) Legacy and Apex BPOs have inherent limitations. If anyone wants to progress past a "Standard/Advanced" level fitting, they need to buy an Advanced or Proto suit and better gear.
4) New BPOs under this new model would have similar limitations, just packaged differently.
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bogeyman m
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 19:28:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Just spitballing, but what if instead of 180 potential power cores(i think i've read this right) we had 12 power CORES (light, medium, heavy / mlt/std/adv/pro) and then a role subsystem (Scout, Assault, Logi, Sentinel, Commando) that gives modifiers to the suits' inherent stats much like the cores in FireFall?
For example the Scout role core would decrease health and regenerative abilites in exchange for a sizable increase to EWAR/Speed/Stamina?
The Commando would do a -H/S/G, +2L and a +15% to general speed, but take -10% to both health pools and decrease stamina regen?
As for the Light/Medium/Heavy cores, I figured it would make more sense for those to have +% efficacies to PG/CPU rather than grant a set amount, such that we don't end up with "Caldari Advanced Medium Power Core" and instead just have "Medium Power Core" Maybe with such a system we wouldn't even need MLT power cores. Almost.
We gave 180+ suits now. This new model could eliminate over 100 of them.
This proposal suggests: - 5 base suit frames (accounting for the Scout, Assault, Logi, Sentinel and Commando roles). - 3 (or 5) Power CORE levels that can be used on any frame. - 4 races
Resulting in 60 (or 100) suit combinations that could help improve the performance of game, among other benefits.
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