DUST Search - (Request) NOVA SWORD (Wheres all the Cyborg Ninja's at)

Dezick Ariv wrote:

Sticking with practicality here...
2 pound super heated plasma edged knife capable of cutting through steel...
20 pound plasma coated (and therefore glowing) sword...
I don't see myself practically carrying that sword, especially since it would nullify the sneaky part of the scout. May be cool in more starwarsy type game, but I think CCP likes to stick to more plausibility...
Plus there are people shooting at you with guns that would kill an unarmored man with the recoil alone, so without the stealth that hiding your small knife in a sheath until you want to use it gives you, you would be dead very fast.

Don't say you could shut off sword fast either, heating up to the necessary levels to cut through titanium like butter with that much volume of metal to coat with plasma would take considerably longer than knife, so you can't shut off and turn on just before kill.

Of course, this is the future, so that tech might exist, but, once again, super gun beats sword, so it would be very impractical when you could just grab a (hopefully soon to be buffed) shotgun to do same job.

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[Veteran_Zion Shad] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 21:37:00 - [1] - Quote Being a Scout will be a whole lot better with a Nova Katana. With the stealth and agility, a Sword would fits more perfect to me then a knife and a gun. (Grey Fox style.) LIKE if you want it. They have it in Gothem City Impostors, why not here. I would pay Aur for it if I have to.
[Veteran_FatalFlaw V1] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 21:52:00 - [2] - Quote I just made a thread asking for the very same thing. The characters just look like they should be carrying some futuristic sword, not a circa 1900's combat knife.
[Veteran_Dezick Ariv] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 22:04:00 - [3] - Quote Sticking with practicality here... 2 pound super heated plasma edged knife capable of cutting through steel... 20 pound plasma coated (and therefore glowing) sword... I don't see myself practically carrying that sword, especially since it would nullify the sneaky part of the scout. May be cool in more starwarsy type game, but I think CCP likes to stick to more plausibility... Plus there are people shooting at you with guns that would kill an unarmored man with the recoil alone, so without the stealth that hiding your small knife in a sheath until you want to use it gives you, you would be dead very fast. Don't say you could shut off sword fast either, heating up to the necessary levels to cut through titanium like butter with that much volume of metal to coat with plasma would take considerably longer than knife, so you can't shut off and turn on just before kill. Of course, this is the future, so that tech might exist, but, once again, super gun beats sword, so it would be very impractical when you could just grab a (hopefully soon to be buffed) shotgun to do same job.
[Veteran_Zat Earthshatter] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 22:16:00 - [4] - Quote Even though dropsuits would be strength-enhanced, therefore able to carry a heavy blade, it just doesn't feel like something for the EVE universe. Plus Gearbox would be annoyed for stealing their Borderlands ideas.
[Veteran_Zion Shad] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 22:17:00 - [5] - Quote Dezick Ariv wrote: Sticking with practicality here... 2 pound super heated plasma edged knife capable of cutting through steel... 20 pound plasma coated (and therefore glowing) sword... I don't see myself practically carrying that sword, especially since it would nullify the sneaky part of the scout. May be cool in more starwarsy type game, but I think CCP likes to stick to more plausibility... It would be sheathed tell you use it. This would then hide the glow if you could not turn it off. Don't be such a hater. You just don't want to be killed by it do you.
[Veteran_Roll Sizzle Beef] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 22:38:00 - [6] - Quote I don't want star wars vibroblades or lightsabers I don't want halo energy swords I don't want Star Ocean Force Swords I don't want Armored Core Laserblades I don't want Mass Effect omni-tool flash-forged searing hot silicon-carbide blades I don't want System Shock Laser Rapiers I don't want Voltron blazing swords I want guns. Get an Amarr laser rifle and pretend its an exceptionally long energy sword.
[Veteran_Rhuvian Marccus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 22:51:00 - [7] - Quote I'd buy one as decor for my Quarters. Otherwise I'll let my NT-511 do the talking.
[Veteran_TheAmazing FlyingPig] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 22:55:00 - [8] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: I don't want star wars vibroblades or lightsabers I don't want halo energy swords I don't want Star Ocean Force Swords I don't want Armored Core Laserblades I don't want Mass Effect omni-tool flash-forged searing hot silicon-carbide blades I don't want System Shock Laser Rapiers I don't want Voltron blazing swords I want guns. Get an Amarr laser rifle and pretend its an exceptionally long energy sword. QFT.
[Veteran_Mars El'Theran] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 23:18:00 - [9] - Quote Dezick Ariv wrote: Sticking with practicality here... 2 pound super heated plasma edged knife capable of cutting through steel... 20 pound plasma coated (and therefore glowing) sword... I don't see myself practically carrying that sword, especially since it would nullify the sneaky part of the scout. May be cool in more starwarsy type game, but I think CCP likes to stick to more plausibility... Plus there are people shooting at you with guns that would kill an unarmored man with the recoil alone, so without the stealth that hiding your small knife in a sheath until you want to use it gives you, you would be dead very fast. Don't say you could shut off sword fast either, heating up to the necessary levels to cut through titanium like butter with that much volume of metal to coat with plasma would take considerably longer than knife, so you can't shut off and turn on just before kill. Of course, this is the future, so that tech might exist, but, once again, super gun beats sword, so it would be very impractical when you could just grab a (hopefully soon to be buffed) shotgun to do same job. ..seriously, 20 pounds? you've never picked up a sword have you? The average longsword weighs somewhere between 4 to 6-1/2 pounds; a hand and a halfer maybe 9-12, and a 2 hander upwards of 16 pounds using steel. A bronze sword or an old iron sword might have been heavy due to thicker blades and heavier grips, but more recent materials make things a lot lighter. My old Tau Kien, (Chinese longsword), was hand forged steel and weighed about 5 Lbs. My old Scottish broadsword was like 7 pounds, but it had a heavy blade and pommel. Don't have any swords anymore, but they're not all that heavy. Not sure I think they'd be worth it in Dust though; you can barely see when you're trying to get close enough to swing a knife, and I've never really figured out if I hit on more than one occasion because I only ever got a kill with one the one time. The knife does kind of suck, but it's mostly the field of view, proximity, and the fact that they're jumping and running around you in the time it takes to get half way through a swing. edit: p.s. tl;dr: Slashing with a knife is ineffective and slow.
[Veteran_Sintel Jenner] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah, I'm not really seeing this as practical. The knife is more a weapon of last resort rather than a primary killing tool, and I like it being that way. The whole insta-kill thing with other games I always thought was incredibly unrealistic. As for a sword, well I have to admit it would look cool, but that's about it really. It doesn't seem like it'd fit in with the eve universe very well anyway. I mean, do we have ships that physically grapple each other? I'm sure fans of Outlaw Star would love to see that, and there is sci-fi precedence for it, but they chose not to make the game head in that direction. I happen to agree with that choice, but that's immaterial here. Fact of the matter is that you've got forge guns out there, that doesn't seem like a society that would waste time building a sword. If they did have something for that kind of role I'd see it more as a super powered stun gun to lock up their dropsuit electronics. Does no damage, just makes them fall down or something. Could be an interesting mechanic and would seem more likely of a weapon design given the type of hardware on the battlefield.

[Veteran_Zion Shad] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 00:07:00 - [11] - Quote Mars to my aid. Rally Cyborg Ninjas!
[Veteran_J'Jor Da'Wg] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 00:18:00 - [12] - Quote I don't really think a ninja sword/lightsaber is gonna fit in DUST, but, how about a Nova Axe? Slightly larger than the Nova Knife, and takes longer to swing along with more stamina, but does double the damage per hit? I would be okay with that...
[Veteran_Zion Shad] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 00:22:00 - [13] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I don't really think a ninja sword/lightsaber is gonna fit in DUST, but, how about a Nova Axe? Slightly larger than the Nova Knife, and takes longer to swing along with more stamina, but does double the damage per hit? I would be okay with that... That may work. I would like a bit more powerful melee to the game. The Nova knife could use a lunge to( COD Style) other wise u need to push up against the person before you can cut them making it harder. I understand that it still wont kill first swipe but at lest it will add the range.
[Veteran_Cantus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 01:28:00 - [14] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I don't really think a ninja sword/lightsaber is gonna fit in DUST, but, how about a Nova Axe? Slightly larger than the Nova Knife, and takes longer to swing along with more stamina, but does double the damage per hit? I would be okay with that... That actually might work. In real life, the US military (Navy Seals and Marines in particular) have on hand two kinds of weapons. The standard issue knife that can be fitted onto a rifle and a standard issue tomahawk axe. The tomahawk is not only designed to hack and pierce, but also be thrown like the French-made Francisca. That might actually work for dust. As for a Katana, I have to agree that it is difficult to bring a sword to a gunfight. But that is why only skilled players should be able to handle it and not some random noob. To balance the katana, or at least make sure it's not overpowered, I would restrict to strength to be depended on how long it's given time to heat up once pulled out of the sheath. But once out of the sheath, the person wielding it should sacrifice some speed and the blade would be bright enough for others to see. Of course, I don't really mind NOT having the katana in game. This is just something I would like. Other than that, lag and game freezes should be addressed first.
[Veteran_Kavela Menardi] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 02:23:00 - [15] - Quote No
[Veteran_FatalFlaw V1] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 03:02:00 - [16] - Quote I really, really want a big melee weapon in the game. It should be strong enough to make it worth giving your main weapon up, and hell, require knife handling 5 to use it for all I care. I mostly want to see people complain about it, the true purpose of melee kills in fps games.
[Veteran_Zion Shad] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 03:04:00 - [17] - Quote Kavela Menardi wrote: No YES.
[Veteran_Cantus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 03:25:00 - [18] - Quote Kavela Menardi wrote: No I love it how people say they disagree without giving any explanation about why. If there is a post you made that did explain why you oppose such an idea, please let me know. Otherwise, people won't listen to you very much.
[Veteran_Xocoyol Zaraoul] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 03:38:00 - [19] - Quote Mars El'Theran wrote: [quote=Dezick Ariv]..seriously, 20 pounds? you've never picked up a sword have you? The average longsword weighs somewhere between 4 to 6-1/2 pounds; a hand and a halfer maybe 9-12, and a 2 hander upwards of 16 pounds using steel. A bronze sword or an old iron sword might have been heavy due to thicker blades and heavier grips, but more recent materials make things a lot lighter. I hate to nitpick, but even those weights are too high, and need to be halved to approach realistic figures. As for me, I personally don't like the idea of this in the EVE universe as it does not "fit" in my opinion, and I personally find it tasteless. To each their own though.
[Veteran_Cantus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 04:17:00 - [20] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Mars El'Theran wrote: [quote=Dezick Ariv]..seriously, 20 pounds? you've never picked up a sword have you? The average longsword weighs somewhere between 4 to 6-1/2 pounds; a hand and a halfer maybe 9-12, and a 2 hander upwards of 16 pounds using steel. A bronze sword or an old iron sword might have been heavy due to thicker blades and heavier grips, but more recent materials make things a lot lighter. I hate to nitpick, but even those weights are too high, and need to be halved to approach realistic figures. As for me, I personally don't like the idea of this in the EVE universe as it does not "fit" in my opinion, and I personally find it tasteless. To each their own though. Well, in Eve Online, people didn't think an Iteron Mark V (an industrial hauler) was ever going to be able to take out a mission-fit Megathron or a Hulk taking out a cruiser. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6so9AT4UydQ&list=PLED259BC4DC81E8F2&index=13&feature=plpp_video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U How's that for bringing a knife to a gunfight. XD

[Veteran_Ceerix MKII] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 04:20:00 - [21] - Quote I'm personally getting tired of all the instant kill close combat weapons. Honestly its kind of nice to see the nova knife doing so little damage. When friendly fire is involved it will be annoying to see some idiot with a sword go charging into a group of enemy's thinking hes some futuristic samurai warrior. Then get all the complaints when he can't slice antimatter rounds coming out of the business end of a blaster in half or reflect the laser back at the guy who shot it at him. And don't laugh at the Iteron Mark V she is a mighty war vessel that happens to hold a lot of cap boosters!
[Veteran_Kavela Menardi] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 04:21:00 - [22] - Quote Cantus wrote: Kavela Menardi wrote: No I love it how people say they disagree without giving any explanation about why. If there is a post you made that did explain why you oppose such an idea, please let me know. Otherwise, people won't listen to you very much. That there even needs to be an explanation is a sad state of affairs. I say No because it is a fail idea beyond scope. If you want a lil ninja sword, and there is nothing wrong with that, play a game speced for that, please. If you, or the OP (if it wasnt you) said a Khumaak or something that may fit in with the lore, then fine...but for fuggs sake, a ninja sword? Really?
[Veteran_Roll Sizzle Beef] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 04:30:00 - [23] - Quote Cantus wrote: Well, in Eve Online, people didn't think an Iteron Mark V (an industrial hauler) was ever going to be able to take out a mission-fit Megathron or a Hulk taking out a cruiser. How's that for bringing a knife to a gunfight. XD Totally not the right comparison. That's just scanning and picking and choosing just the right opposition that's dumb enough to take the bait. Not running about with a big glowing painstick. http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/81241_o.gif
[Veteran_Cantus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 05:12:00 - [24] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Cantus wrote: Well, in Eve Online, people didn't think an Iteron Mark V (an industrial hauler) was ever going to be able to take out a mission-fit Megathron or a Hulk taking out a cruiser. How's that for bringing a knife to a gunfight. XD Totally not the right comparison. That's just scanning and picking and choosing just the right opposition that's dumb enough to take the bait. Not running about with a big glowing painstick. http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/81241_o.gif The comparison is there. I'm talking about the fact that there are people who bring the unlikeliest of things to a fight. The knife is represented by the Iteron while the Megathron represents the gunfight (it's a gunboat after all). Why is it difficult for people to understand comparisons nowadays?
[Veteran_Cantus] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 05:21:00 - [25] - Quote Kavela Menardi wrote: That there even needs to be an explanation is a sad state of affairs. No, everything needs an explanation. There is nothing wrong with that. I always accept criticism even from some folks who disagree with me or with the topic at hand as they at least explained why. Lack of explanation for the disagreement is a sign that the person is not capable of giving constructive criticism at all. Even the morons who run Congress in the United States have at least explained themselves as to why they oppose anything at all (even though their explanation is sometime stupid). Quote: If you want a lil ninja sword, and there is nothing wrong with that, play a game speced for that, please. If you, or the OP (if it wasnt you) said a Khumaak or something that may fit in with the lore, then fine...but for fuggs sake, a ninja sword? There, see? That's what I'm talking about. That's what I was looking for. An explanation. Thank you.
[Veteran_Kavela Menardi] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 05:41:00 - [26] - Quote @Cantus...in the future, I will explain my reasoning against Ninja Swords...but your comment about congress always giving an explanation is rather fail...or comical...or just really a sad commentary on our countries ability to pass law's and legislate in a non-laughable manner...but this isnt a slam on you. "In order for us to know what is actually in the bill...we must first pass the bill" Nancy "Skeletor" Pelosi in regards to "Obama-Care"
[Veteran_Dezick Ariv] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 08:20:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: ..seriously, 20 pounds? you've never picked up a sword have you? The average longsword weighs somewhere between 4 to 6-1/2 pounds; a hand and a halfer maybe 9-12, and a 2 hander upwards of 16 pounds using steel. A bronze sword or an old iron sword might have been heavy due to thicker blades and heavier grips, but more recent materials make things a lot lighter Do you have a longsword with heaters, storage for whatever you make into plasma, batteries/capacitors, circuitry to allow this to be controlled, and some sort of metal capable of cutting through armor like butter? Since this is the future, I admit the possibility of lighter materials being developed that would reduce some of these, but it would still be heavier than current swords due to all the shiny tech shoved in there. Side note, katana is technically a two handed sword, if I remember correctly, which is approaching 20 pound mark. However, I had derp moment when I remembered strenght enhanced dropsuit, so while weight would not matter (atleast not enough to be noticeable), the other problems still apply.
[Veteran_Hunter Cazaderon] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 08:22:00 - [28] - Quote Swords ? Is this a joke ? Go play star wars pal... Seriously people calm down with dumb ideas that could ruin this game : - swords... - jetpacks.... - OS kill native snipers... - nerfing AR... - nerfing straffing -nerfing heavies - nerfing everything Seriously.... We re here to fix bugs and game mechanics.... Not to ask for everything that comes out our mind....
[Veteran_Iceyburnz] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 10:55:00 - [29] - Quote Hunter Cazaderon wrote: Swords ? Is this a joke ? Go play star wars pal... Seriously people calm down with dumb ideas that could ruin this game : - swords... - jetpacks.... - OS kill native snipers... - nerfing AR... - nerfing straffing -nerfing heavies - nerfing everything Seriously.... We re here to fix bugs and game mechanics.... Not to ask for everything that comes out our mind.... /thread. Guns > Swords. On the other hand it would be nice to sword user die in a hail of gun fire, I do not want Dev time dedicated to making what is essentially a darwin trap. That is all.
[Veteran_Zion Shad] 0	Posted - 2012.06.07 13:45:00 - [30] - Quote "Don't bring a sword to a gun fight..." Look if your running true recon, you're not fighting at all. It's only a fight if the other guy is swinging back other wise its an assassination . When you're sneaking around and you come to a situation where you need to take a man out but don't want to blow cover right away, it needs to be quick and quiet. A sword or tomahawk type weapon can take care of that. A silent gun is to weak and gives risk to the other guy firing back. Now I know your going to say "He will just tell everyone on his team." This is a %15 of any player doing this. Swords have been used in battle for thousands of years and just in the past 100 they have started to be used less. But military forces still use bayonets and in a way are similar to using a sword. Anyone here read Dune?



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