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[Veteran_Kevalan]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:20:00 -
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How about we come at this from a different angle - instead of reciting old and worn out phrases - discuss the problems that might be created by including a sword (or generally a somewhat more effective melee weapon)
To start with, how effective is the knife when fully upgraded relative to average HP?
What would the sword improve and why would it be necessary?
Is there a role for such a thing, or do you just want it to look neater? |
[Veteran_Sam Ronin]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:48:00 -
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I could see room later for some kind of melee character. Minmatar like using big and blunt instruments so much that it makes sense to see a Brutor running around with some big weapon whacking people, especially with some kind of physics based knock back. Or an Amarrian Zealot/Templar using some kind of "Holy Weapon". But very much as secondary weapons.
But as much as I like Japanese stuff if I want a cyber ninja I will await that MGS Revengence. Swords fell out of favour as ballistics advanced. You only see them worn now as part of dress uniforms or for ceremony. A knife is just the simplest melee option when lugging around heavy combat gear etc already. EVE lore has only base aspects of old Earth still within it. Names and odd bits of history. They would have their own kinds of swords etc.
Bayonets are an option you could use as they are an extension of your current weapon without losing its main use, to fire slugs at the enemy first and gut them if they close the gap on you. |
[Veteran_Nu11u5]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:00:00 -
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I don't have a problem with swords as a sidearm option provided it's appropriately balanced.
How about a compromise? CCP has a habit of giving out limited edition items for special events. Commemorative swords anyone?
Back to discussing its merits. A melee sidearm should be more damaging than the knife, but successive hits would become weaker until the blade has a chance to recharge. A melee sidearm could also offer more reach or bonuses to armor damage for example. It would replace the Scrambler Pistol in fits for people looking to part with range in exchange for more effective CQC. The Nova Knife would still be the weapon of last resort when the sword is low on power since "its small blade size and fuel cell efficiency eliminates the need to recharge the plasma arc".
It wouldn't have to be a sword per se, but I think the game could benifit from some kind of alternative melee sidearm. |
[Veteran_Max Trichomes]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:12:00 -
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Terrible idea. Absolutely horrible. The last thing Dust needs is more silly and juvenile things, bringing a giant glowing sword to a gun battle is silly and juvenile. Go play Halo 4 if you wanna run around and insta-gib people with a giant glowing sword. |
[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:23:00 -
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Kevalan wrote:How about we come at this from a different angle - instead of reciting old and worn out phrases - discuss the problems that might be created by including a sword (or generally a somewhat more effective melee weapon)
To start with, how effective is the knife when fully upgraded relative to average HP?
What would the sword improve and why would it be necessary?
Is there a role for such a thing, or do you just want it to look neater?
No one here is saying that it's necessary. We are only stating that it would just be a nice addition.
Quote:On the other hand it would be nice to sword user die in a hail of gun fire, I do not want Dev time dedicated to making what is essentially a darwin trap.
The point of being a recon or scout is to Not Be Seen. Essentially, such roles tend to avoid direct combat as long as possible because:
- They lack effective armor to stand up to an assault rifle (even militia).
- Whacking someone on the head with the butt of a rifle will not do any good if the opponent's armor is designed to take on plasma damage.
- With the proper fitting, a scout or recon can run really fast and dodge most bullets.
- They are meant to sneak in on their targets, not charge them head on.
It does however balance out with the fact that scout/recon armor is weaker. An occasional lone-wolf assault troop might be able to find them and kill them easily, assuming the scout doesn't run away.
Back in World War II, US infantrymen were ordered to shoot down any Japanese soldier carrying a sword for two reasons:
- The sword is very lethal because you can't hear it coming until it's too late.
- It was noted that Japanese soldiers carrying swords happen to be officers or veteran troops. Therefore, it made sense to shoot them first.
But on the other hand, to at least appease the anti-sword crowd in here, CCP did only mention the use of the knife and nothing else. Even though CCP did mention on one of their keynotes at Fanfest 2012 that scouts can specialize in being nothing but knife wielders.
Again, no one is saying that swords are a necessity to the game. We are just saying it would be nice to have. If CCP doesn't want to add it and would rather balance the knife instead, that's fine with me as DUST can do fine without it. I don't think anyone is trying to push this anyways. |
[Veteran_Sintel Jenner]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:40:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7I1L0Oa-NE
Just sayin... |
[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:54:00 -
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Sintel Jenner wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7I1L0Oa-NE
Just sayin...
That dude should have snuck in on Jones instead. |
[Veteran_Roll Sizzle Beef]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:44:00 -
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Cantus wrote:Back in World War II, US infantrymen were ordered to shoot down any Japanese soldier carrying a sword for two reasons:
- The sword is very lethal because you can't hear it coming until it's too late.
- It was noted that Japanese soldiers carrying swords happen to be officers or veteran troops. Therefore, it made sense to shoot them first.
A. WW II was 1940s AD, Dust is 23348 AD.
How often do solders equip a sword beyond ceremony now only 70 years after WWII? A small sharp knife (always useful)
You wont hear a silenced pistol until it's too late either.
For any sneak attack you aren't listening for the weapon itself. You are listening for the person holding it.
Getting sniped from 1500m works just as well.
The game has many, many guns, and vehicles. And one standard issue always available survival knife. Its a gun game. That's its premise. |
[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:13:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Cantus wrote:Back in World War II, US infantrymen were ordered to shoot down any Japanese soldier carrying a sword for two reasons:
- The sword is very lethal because you can't hear it coming until it's too late.
- It was noted that Japanese soldiers carrying swords happen to be officers or veteran troops. Therefore, it made sense to shoot them first.
A. WW II was 1940s AD, Dust is 23348 AD. How often do solders equip a sword beyond ceremony now only 70 years after WWII? A small sharp knife (always useful) You wont hear a silenced pistol until it's too late either. For any sneak attack you aren't listening for the weapon itself. You are listening for the person holding it. Getting sniped from 1500m works just as well. The game has many, many guns, and vehicles. And one standard issue always available survival knife. Its a gun game. That's its premise.
Ok. Duly noted. Like I said, I'm not trying to force this on anyone. |
[Veteran_Jack Frankenstein]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:15:00 -
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I think to be more appropriate since this is futuristic is to make different varieties of the knife and maybe a short blade exist? As a scout or sniper in every other FPS game I've chosen to use the knife instead of my secondary. The knife is just more reliable! In real-life of course I wouldn't use my knife against some guy wielding a heavy machine gun. BUT this is a game! I'd love to see a freakin' blade that's heated to cut down my enemies. I mean what's a merc without his/her own special kinda' weapon ;] Mine has always been the blade and I still use the blade even in this game. |
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[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:35:00 -
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It doesn't matter what year it is. A Merc can use any tool he sees fit to get the job done. |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:25:00 -
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Zat Earthshatter wrote:Even though dropsuits would be strength-enhanced, therefore able to carry a heavy blade, it just doesn't feel like something for the EVE universe. Plus Gearbox would be annoyed for stealing their Borderlands ideas.
lmao my thoughts exactly. I was about to say "Ummm Preorder Borderlands 2, I think Zero is what you're looking for" |
[Veteran_Roll Sizzle Beef]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:40:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:It doesn't matter what year it is. A Merc can use any tool he sees fit to get the job done.
A merc in EvE is a ex soldier and not some batman with one of a kind gear. They buy what the markets provide. And the market has guns. Many guns. Not a plethora of guns either. We are getting more guns. |
[Veteran_Bad Furry]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:44:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Being a Scout will be a whole lot better with a Nova Katana. With the stealth and agility, a Sword would fits more perfect to me then a knife and a gun. (Grey Fox style.) LIKE if you want it.  They have it in Gothem City Impostors, why not here. I would pay Aur for it if I have to.
something like this ?? |
[Veteran_Jack Frankenstein]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:16:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Zion Shad wrote:It doesn't matter what year it is. A Merc can use any tool he sees fit to get the job done. A merc in EvE is a ex soldier and not some batman with one of a kind gear. They buy what the markets provide. And the market has guns. Many guns. Not a plethora of guns either. We are getting more guns.
Batman doesn't use Katanas ._. |
[Veteran_Roll Sizzle Beef]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:18:00 -
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Jack Frankenstein wrote:
Batman doesn't use Katanas ._.
Fine... Um, deadpool. |
[Veteran_Glen Duval]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:13:00 -
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Bad Furry wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Being a Scout will be a whole lot better with a Nova Katana. With the stealth and agility, a Sword would fits more perfect to me then a knife and a gun. (Grey Fox style.) LIKE if you want it. They have it in Gothem City Impostors, why not here. I would pay Aur for it if I have to. something like this ??
Um... that's one weapon I don't want to see. Bad enough we have the Thorax and Iteron looking so phallic in Eve. |
[Veteran_J'Jor Da'Wg]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:25:00 -
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If we are gonna make dumb requests like lightsabers, why not a Nova Batarang? Or why not add the Batmobile as a LAV for Aurum? I would buy it! |
[Veteran_Noc Tempre]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:10:00 -
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This should be an arena only style. |
[Veteran_Silas Krisolo]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:16:00 -
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I'm in the "swords are dumb" camp. A combat blade works fine for the function it serves; swords in the future really have no place. I raged enough when Mass Effect 3 brought swords in, I don't need them in DUST. |
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