DUST Search - Question about matchmaking

Dirty Scoundrel wrote:

Basically, how does it work? I'm beginning to believe that I just suck at this game as I just seem to get annihilated. Do you get matched with players with similar SP or is it just a free for all?

I'm a fairly new player and have graduated out of the Academy matches and got somewhere between 1.5mil-2mil SP. I've followed some advice i've found on these forums and built a couple of different fittings, watched some gameplay videos, and consider myself an OK casual FPS player.

And yet I die. A lot. Constantly. To people who seem to be able to kill me by vaguely waving their weapon at me in a non-threatening manner as an after thought. Before I knew what War Points were in the academy matches, I was consistently racking up 18+ kills a fight but now i consider it a great match if i get 5 kills and manage to get my K/D ratio above 0.5. I now spend a lot of time running around dropping uplinks and nanohives and grabbing objectives when I can, I even tried a Logi suit and see if I could do any better helping other people kill things but i just died even quicker and didn't seem to get very far at all.

I appreciate I might be doing something wrong here (still trying to figure out all the fittings) but this is getting stupidly frustrating!

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Dirty Scoundrel Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.12 09:00:00 - [1] - Quote Basically, how does it work? I'm beginning to believe that I just suck at this game as I just seem to get annihilated. Do you get matched with players with similar SP or is it just a free for all? I'm a fairly new player and have graduated out of the Academy matches and got somewhere between 1.5mil-2mil SP. I've followed some advice i've found on these forums and built a couple of different fittings, watched some gameplay videos, and consider myself an OK casual FPS player. And yet I die. A lot. Constantly. To people who seem to be able to kill me by vaguely waving their weapon at me in a non-threatening manner as an after thought. Before I knew what War Points were in the academy matches, I was consistently racking up 18+ kills a fight but now i consider it a great match if i get 5 kills and manage to get my K/D ratio above 0.5. I now spend a lot of time running around dropping uplinks and nanohives and grabbing objectives when I can, I even tried a Logi suit and see if I could do any better helping other people kill things but i just died even quicker and didn't seem to get very far at all. I appreciate I might be doing something wrong here (still trying to figure out all the fittings) but this is getting stupidly frustrating!
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1420	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:06:00 - [2] - Quote Dirty Scoundrel wrote: Basically, how does it work? I'm beginning to believe that I just suck at this game as I just seem to get annihilated. Do you get matched with players with similar SP or is it just a free for all? I'm a fairly new player and have graduated out of the Academy matches and got somewhere between 1.5mil-2mil SP. I've followed some advice i've found on these forums and built a couple of different fittings, watched some gameplay videos, and consider myself an OK casual FPS player. And yet I die. A lot. Constantly. To people who seem to be able to kill me by vaguely waving their weapon at me in a non-threatening manner as an after thought. Before I knew what War Points were in the academy matches, I was consistently racking up 18+ kills a fight but now i consider it a great match if i get 5 kills and manage to get my K/D ratio above 0.5. I now spend a lot of time running around dropping uplinks and nanohives and grabbing objectives when I can, I even tried a Logi suit and see if I could do any better helping other people kill things but i just died even quicker and didn't seem to get very far at all. I appreciate I might be doing something wrong here (still trying to figure out all the fittings) but this is getting stupidly frustrating! I'm not sure on how exactly it works. Dark magic or something like that. You say you only have 1.5 - 2 mil SP, I would assume you are in the lower tier'ed bracket though. I remember when I first started this game, I thought the same exact thing. I died constantly and I was no FPS noob. Gear does make a difference, but at your level you should be fighting those with similar gear sets. What it sounds like though is that you are spreading your SP around too much. First let's figure out what you want to do. You want to slay or do you want to support. Slaying is the hardest to make SP and ISK with so I would suggest you go for a support role. Though if you must go for slayer, try a heavy suit out with a light weapon. That extra HP might make a good bit of difference. Let's just say you want to go down the path of the logi (which can be a decent slayer as well). The first step is to decide which racial suit you want to play with. For reference (which applies to all suits): Amar - Armor based Caldari - Shield based Gallente - Armor based repairs (less armor than the amar but better reps) Minmatar - Balanced between shield and armor (fastest suits in game as well) For a logi, you additionally gain bonuses once you reach the specialized suit to certain equipment as well as a bonus to your rep tool repair amount. Amar - Better drop uplinks Caldari - Better nanohives Gallente - Better scanners Minmatar - Better rep tool So once you decide on a suit, the next step is obtaining gear most relevant to your suit type. For a logi, rep tools are the most important first. Let's assume you go for an amar logi though: Armor based skills are primary to your defenses. Rep tool and links are primary Just to get you started on the right path. Playing to your races strengths though will greatly improve your game. When running logi, look for a heavy suit or a glob of friendly blue dots and stick with them and behind them. Use them as cover and keep that rep tool up on them. Logis make more points which translates to more SP at the end of match. If done right, just takes a bit of practice. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Dirty Scoundrel Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.13 09:17:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks for taking the time Tebu. I've specced in to Minmatar assault suits with a fair spread of shield extenders/rechargers/regulators plus armour plates/repairers. I wasted some points trying to find a weapon i liked so have specced up to use standard (i believe) CR and ARs, but have decided to chuck those in for an ASR. Also grabbed drop uplinks as well to try and help out a bit more. I'm loath to start again as i've already sunk so much time in to this guy but i'll do a bit more reading and see what i can find.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 855	Posted - 2015.05.15 00:48:00 - [4] - Quote Dirty Scoundrel wrote: Thanks for taking the time Tebu. I've specced in to Minmatar assault suits with a fair spread of shield extenders/rechargers/regulators plus armour plates/repairers. I wasted some points trying to find a weapon i liked so have specced up to use standard (i believe) CR and ARs, but have decided to chuck those in for an ASR. Also grabbed drop uplinks as well to try and help out a bit more. I'm loath to start again as i've already sunk so much time in to this guy but i'll do a bit more reading and see what i can find. Sounds good. Do you have the actual assault suit yet or just the medium frame? I ask because the assault is much better than the basic frame, but requires a lot of sp to unlock. They have tighter fitting space but substantially more hp. It's expensive, but have you considered buying an apex suit BPO? You can get an assault apex, so quite a bit better than a basic frame, and doesn't cost you any isk or sp. They also last forever. Even with improved matchmaking, the game is hard for players recently out of the academy. You will die a lot, don't worry. When playing assault, try to stick with teamates. If the situation looks bad, run away. Especially if you are Minmatar as you have great speed but little defence. As a lower sp character I would focus on fitting hp to increase your survivability. Once your armour and shield skills are higher you can think about fitting for regen, speed and weapon damage. Bear in mind that lower tier hp mods are quite good, whereas other mods tend to be poor before you get to the complex variety. Though slowing down your fast Minmatar assault with heavy plates might not be a good idea, you'll have to experiment. Generally it's better to skill up modules, fitting and suits before getting the higher tier weapons.
Dirty Scoundrel Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:08:00 - [5] - Quote Cheers Varoth, yeah i splashed out for and Assault suit and it has helped a bit. What is an Apex suit?
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 857	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:41:00 - [6] - Quote Dirty Scoundrel wrote: Cheers Varoth, yeah i splashed out for and Assault suit and it has helped a bit. What is an Apex suit? You buy them in the market for Aurum, or a lot of loyalty points and isk. They are prototype BPO (don't lose it after death) suits, fitted with standard gear. You don't need skill points to unlock them and the modules can be changed, however they only have limited powergrid and CPU, making it difficult to fit much higher tier gear (otherwise it would be pay to win). If you've already unlocked assault suits an APEX probably won't give you much of a boost in power, if at all, and they are expensive. But they do save you a lot of isk since you don't have to restock them. I feel they are a solid option for new players who don't mind spending some cash, but don't feel you have to. Particularly the assault variants, as they are superior to the medium frames. But as you said, you've already unlocked assault so it's less of an issue for you.


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